Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

smf · Jan 17, 2021

Lacius said:
Conspiracy theories are not okay. They are the antithesis of skepticism. A person who engages in conspiratorial thinking is a person who does not care about truth.

Right, I'm too skeptical to believe in conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theorists on the other hand want to believe despite the evidence being non existent or based on half truths. If they were free thinkers who wanted to make up their own mind then they wouldn't hitch their wagon to such crazy ideas.

tabzer · Jan 17, 2021

D34DL1N3R said:
The entire thread is loaded with you attempting to deceive people. Flat out lies that have been factually debunked by many people, many times over. Yet YOU still have not provided one single concrete shred of factual evidence to your claims, to anyone. You make things up out of thin air. You try to constantly shift the burden of proof. You've been proven a hypocrite. Yes, you are absolutely 100% factually been attempting to deceive people. Proof? This thread. Now provide some factual and credible evidence for your own claims. We've all been waiting this entire time. 344 pages, and notta from you. Time to pay up or shut your mouth.

There's no proof to any of your claims.

Cryoraptor · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
It's not the default stance. Prior to Trump getting into the games, less than %50 people voted, which probably should be interpreted as that the majority would prefer anarchy to scammy political puppet shows.

Ok, let's do this another way.

Imagine that there is a country, we'll call it Tabzerland. I've been President of Tabzerland for 4 years and I want a re-election. We'll assume that it's a two-party state, so you're my rival and you're running for election.

Election night comes, and you win. We'll say Tabzerland is home to 50 million voters, so you got, say 26 million votes, and I got 24 million. You beat me by a few percent.

Now, I go on an imaginary social media app called Twatter, and I twat 'STOP THE COUNT' and claim that the election was rigged against me.

So, now that I've claimed foul play, do you bow down to me and give me your victory, or do you tell me to prove that your supporters rigged the election?

Darth Meteos · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
I can't convince people who are willing to lie to stop lying without having greater leverage. Showing a video of a blue sky, in this context, would yield people saying "that's not blue!".

"you wouldn't believe it anyway" is a pretty shithouse argument

tabzer said:
Politics is not about truth.

mask off moment right here everyone

Cryoraptor said:
Ok, let's do this another way.

dude, conservatives never engage with metaphors
this is a waste of time, just point and laugh at the "politics is not about truth" man

tabzer said:
There's no proof to any of your claims.

prove that
no, seriously, prove that there's no proof to his claims

Cryoraptor · Jan 17, 2021

Darth Meteos said:
"you wouldn't believe it anyway" is a pretty shithouse argument

mask off moment right here everyone

dude, conservatives never engage with metaphors
this is a waste of time, just point and laugh at the "politics is not about truth" man

I'm not expecting an honest response, but I just want to see what his answer is.

smf · Jan 17, 2021

Darth Meteos said:
"you wouldn't believe it anyway" is a pretty shithouse argument

I would question what the point is trying to convince someone of something if they have such little faith in their own argument, or the people they are arguing with.

Darth Meteos · Jan 17, 2021

Cryoraptor said:
I'm not expecting an honest response, but I just want to see what his answer is.

silly cryoraptor
don't you know that tabzer just ignores posts he can't attempt leveraging into a bad faith argument
silly cryoraptor

tabzer · Jan 17, 2021

Cryoraptor said:
Ok, let's do this another way.

Imagine that there is a country, we'll call it Tabzerland. I've been President of Tabzerland for 4 years and I want a re-election. We'll assume that it's a two-party state, so you're my rival and you're running for election.

Election night comes, and you win. We'll say Tabzerland is home to 50 million voters, so you got, say 26 million votes, and I got 24 million. You beat me by a few percent.

Now, I go on an imaginary social media app called Twatter, and I tweet 'STOP THE COUNT' and claim that the election was rigged against me.

So, now that I've claimed foul play, do you bow down to me and give me your victory, or do you tell me to prove that your supporters rigged the election?

No. I ask you "since when did you disagree with how we do elections and how can we improve them so that we both can agree in a fair election?"

If it is a two party situation, then either party has the right to be uncomfortable with the situation. In America's recent history, I do not remember this being a considerable rationale.

Everyone just "moves on" while holding the offense in the back of their minds.

Lacius · Jan 17, 2021

Cryoraptor said:
I'm not expecting an honest response, but I just want to see what his answer is.

Darth Meteos said:
silly cryoraptor
don't you know that tabzer just ignores posts he can't attempt leveraging into a bad faith argument
silly cryoraptor

@tabzer doesn't even respond to me anymore.

Cryoraptor · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
No. I ask you "since win did you disagree with how we do elections and how can we improve them so that we both can agree in a fair election?"

If it is a two party situation, then either party has the right to be uncomfortable with the situation. In America's recent history, I do not remember this being a considerable rational.

So you'd accept my claims of rigging, and allow me to have the victory anyway? Then what was the point of the election to begin with?

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Lacius said:
@tabzer doesn't even respond to me anymore.

I suspect I'll be added to that list soon enough.

tabzer · Jan 17, 2021

Lacius said:
@tabzer doesn't even respond to me anymore.

Kind of hard when i have 6 offended people to respond to. Can't you be polite and give some space instead of trying to overwhelm me with "wah wah"?

D34DL1N3R · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
There's no proof to any of your claims.

There you go again. I've already provided my proof and in a court of law it would be pretty sound. Your claims however seem to have not done too well for ANYONE making them. Still waiting on your evidence. All of us. Not just myself. You continue to try to sneak out of your responsibility for burden of proof. Put up or shut up, regardless of what kind of proof you want from anyone else. Regardless how many times it's already been provided to you. Most everyone else here has backed up their claims at one point or another. You still have nothing. Yet all you can do every time you're asked is "But but but but.. where's YOUR proof that it DIDN'T happen!?!?!!" Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. That's all you have and all you've ever given anyone. Guess what? Burden of proof still lies on you, not on anyone else here. So continue to point your finger, but we're still waiting.

Darth Meteos · Jan 17, 2021

Lacius said:
@tabzer doesn't even respond to me anymore.

lacius, i love you, but that is the funniest struggle quote i have seen all week

@tabzer this is the greatest gift anyone has ever given you on gbatemp
this quote belongs in your signature

Cryoraptor · Jan 17, 2021

Darth Meteos said:
lacius, i love you, but that is the funniest struggle quote i have seen all week

@tabzer this is the greatest gift anyone has ever given you on gbatemp
this quote belongs in your signature

He can't possibly say 'Politics is the pursuit of power' and then say that if he was a candidate and he was accused of rigging, he wouldn't meme the shit out of the people accusing him, can he?

tabzer · Jan 17, 2021

Cryoraptor said:
So you'd accept my claims of rigging, and allow me to have the victory anyway? Then what was the point of the election to begin with?

Not at all. There is no reason for you to interpret what I said as being "that".

0x3000027E · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
It's an ad hominem because you are claiming something about my character and ignoring the context of the argument.

Sir, I did look into the link attached to your signature about election fraud (I probably spent much too long there, given the quality of material) . Have you...looked into these references linked in the spreadsheet? Your argument is bleak, sir.
Please don't confuse my stance to be a result of a 'partisan' bias, for my approach to US politics is impartial and equitable . My view is uninfluenced, I assure you.
Since this thread seems to have degraded into lessons of 'logical fallacies' and how to be a proper 'skeptic', I want to bring back some focus to your original argument and give you a chance to justify your claims directly,

smf · Jan 17, 2021

Cryoraptor said:
He can't possibly say 'Politics is the pursuit of power' and then say that if he was a candidate and he was accused of rigging, he wouldn't meme the shit out of the people accusing him, can he?

Well obviously it's the first person he agrees with that says it's rigged that gets to win.

Cryoraptor · Jan 17, 2021

Ok so you'd want me and my supporters to prove that rigging occured right? @tabzer

EDIT: he doesn't know how to use quotes and fucked his post up

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0x3000027E said:
I want to bring back some focus to your original argument and give you a chance to justify your claims directly,

He and others like him have been given countless opportunities to do so, but they duck out of it and resort to logic games as if they are creationists.

Lacius · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
Kind of hard when i have 6 offended people to respond to. Can't you be polite and give some space instead of trying to overwhelm me with "wah wah"?

It shouldn't be any harder than providing all of that evidence of widespread election fraud you gave us.

Darth Meteos · Jan 17, 2021

tabzer said:
No. I ask you "since when did you disagree with how we do elections and how can we improve them so that we both can agree in a fair election?"

okay so when biden asked trump that he incited a riot that attacked the capitol building
what's step 2

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