pustal said:

It started on the second semester of 2014, so nearly 6 actually.

I don't get all the hate, is it just because it has a gay protagonist? We knew Ellie was gay from Left Behind.

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Nope, we are okey with all those LGT stuffs, the only dog shit is Neil ruined the drama of Part 2! He's an incompetent and killed our beloved Joel right at beginning to fill his non-sense revenge trama.

Listen to sarkwalvein. Complaining about political agendas and propaganda is the fastest way to get your argument dismissed. Understand that these things are not inherently bad. If the story is bad, demonstrate that by referencing story elements: Characters, actions, and events. Explain why they don't work. Even if you don't succeed in convincing anyone you will at least have made the proper argument.

RichardTheKing said:

When it's blatant propaganda and ruins everything the first game so carefully constructed? When the first game did not need a sequel whatsoever?
Yes. Most people won't enjoy just how gory and traumatic the story is; most TLoU fans won't enjoy it, due to it destroying beloved characters and adding new characters that didn't need to exist.

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okay look i get that you dont like the game, but ive heard that the first left on a big cliffhanger. it was definitely setting itself up for a sequel. they just did it in the worst way possible.

64bitmodels said:

Come to the nintendo side
we have games that sell well AND don't disappoint you. even if 2020 is starting off a bit rocky.

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Anyway its nice to hear the sales i guess, but i honestly hope the future PS5 exclusives sell more because judging from what everyone's said about the game in this thread (excluding that one homophobe who thinks being gay is a bad and unnatural thing, seriously why is @Chrisssj2 not banned yet??) it doesnt seem like a very good game.

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Nintendo has alot of wasted potential. The only thing that will save them for sure in the future if they release like a PS Now /Game pass Subscription It's a shame they didn't do this... the need to pirate games would decrase. I have no desire to pirate on My Xbox One S because most games are already playable via gamepass/gold. PS4 I don't really need to pirate because they have on pretty good sales sometimes. But Nintendo the desire to pirate is really up there because of overpriced 3 year old games.

We not really going to see good games on the PS5 until 2021 and beyond I think GT7 and the New Horizon game isn't going to be a launch title hence no real reason to buy a PS5 (Sorry Spiderman) I still have the other one they made for PS4 still in plastic!

Its funny most of the shit people believed from the ''leaks'' was bullshit and misinfo on purpose by those pushing an anti lgbt agenda.
The major shit about the game that i keep seeing quoted, that A: Druckmanns insert fucks abby *doesnt happen nor is to my knowledge any of the characters actually representative of him* and B *the one that is claimed a bunch actually the claims of abby being trans were bullshit, etc etc
If people had just played the game they would know that but, as i said, most reeing about that are just trying to push a bs anti lgbt agenda. Which doesnt even work well if u play the game. It aint a 10/10 game but it damn well aint a 1/10 like those salty fucks on Metacritic have been review bombing with lmao

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XDel said:

Social Marxism in everything hardly constitutes as diversity.

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"Social Marxism" isnt a thing Im guessing you probably meant Cultural Marxism, which too, isnt a real thing but a nazi conspiracy propagated through shit like the protocols of the elders of zion which, you can shove it right up your ass if thats the case.

GbaNober said:

-political agenda
-if you don't like it you're "automatically" bigot/sexist/misogynist/homophobic
-false advertising (coming from Druckmann himself & other YouTube footage)
-good gameplay doesn't mean good written story

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just play it see for yourself better than wasting your time slating it, must be a very boring life you people live, caveman times belong in the past

also the story was well played from my opinion was fantastic , so everything you dont like in life you go online ranting about it do you, how has this worked for you so far......... get a life ffs
there are many many many games i dont like but never have i once tried to be a keyboard warrior and disrespect the devs behind it.

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Its not

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This is literally one of the biggest problems with the internet "Cancel Culture"

dalekman9999 said:

Its funny most of the shit people believed from the ''leaks'' was bullshit and misinfo on purpose by those pushing an anti lgbt agenda.
The major shit about the game that i keep seeing quoted, that A: Druckmanns insert fucks abby *doesnt happen nor is to my knowledge any of the characters actually representative of him* and B *the one that is claimed a bunch actually

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gets his fucking brains blown out

the claims of abby being trans were bullshit, etc etc
If people had just played the game they would know that but, as i said, most reeing about that are just trying to push a bs anti lgbt agenda. Which doesnt even work well if u play the game. It aint a 10/10 game but it damn well aint a 1/10 like those salty fucks on Metacritic have been review bombing with lmao

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"Social Marxism" isnt a thing Im guessing you probably meant Cultural Marxism, which too, isnt a real thing but a nazi conspiracy propagated through shit like the protocols of the elders of zion which, you can shove it right up your ass if thats the case.

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Sounds like you have been reading wiki rather than going outside and observing the world around you objectively.

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dalekman9999 said:

Its funny most of the shit people believed from the ''leaks'' was bullshit and misinfo on purpose by those pushing an anti lgbt agenda.
The major shit about the game that i keep seeing quoted, that A: Druckmanns insert fucks abby *doesnt happen nor is to my knowledge any of the characters actually representative of him* and B *the one that is claimed a bunch actually

Spoiler

gets his fucking brains blown out

the claims of abby being trans were bullshit, etc etc
If people had just played the game they would know that but, as i said, most reeing about that are just trying to push a bs anti lgbt agenda. Which doesnt even work well if u play the game. It aint a 10/10 game but it damn well aint a 1/10 like those salty fucks on Metacritic have been review bombing with lmao

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"Social Marxism" isnt a thing Im guessing you probably meant Cultural Marxism, which too, isnt a real thing but a nazi conspiracy propagated through shit like the protocols of the elders of zion which, you can shove it right up your ass if thats the case.

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It's like a quasi-religion, and the news media, big business, educational suppliers, and main stream entertainment are in co-operation to expand it. It's a Brave New World in that nearly all prior values belonging to the old world are shunned and treated as prejudiced, oppressive, irrational, inhumane, and unscientific. And in their place their mirror opposites have been erected in the name of human liberation.

The motivation behind all of this, as I said, is for humanitarian causes, which of course have to do with a show of compassion and aid towards those who are suffering. In order to determine who is suffering, who needs aid, and in what order to deal with them, we categorize them, and split them into sub-divisions, according to their gender, race, and sexual fetishes or tendencies. The darker your pigment, or the more melanin you have, the more you qualify for compassion and aid. If you also happen to be a woman, then you are entitled to even more compassion and aid. And lastly, if your sexual tendencies lean more towards your own sex, or "I'm confused", then you might be eligible to even more compassion and aid.

Those who pay and will be held responsible of course will again be determined by the pigment of their skin, their gender, and their sexual tendencies. If you happen to make the particular criteria that makes you the guiltiest, then you will also be judged by what ideologies or political positions you pledge your self to, and how much material wealth you have to your claim.

So for example, if you are a black, transvestite, she-male, with Marxist tendencies, your own magazine, movie, news, or music publishing company, and are worth Billions in the sock market. You will probably not be judged at all, let alone show up as a blip on the radar. On the other hand if you do not meet a similar criteria, your life could very well be ruined, most importantly if you do not harbor Marxist tendencies in your perception of life, liberty, and fair play.

I could go on, all this is obvious, I am tired, must sleep, but the thing is though, people not liking us for, we presume the color of our skin, our gender, or our sexual fetishes, is a far cry from not having a place to call home, not having your own culture, your own way of life, choice beyond product A. B. or C, and beyond their influence, a full belly, healthy food and natural resources, seed bearing plants, access to what the earth once produced freely, and the sense of self determination, dignity, and self sovereignty that go with it all. Though never would I expect freedom from danger, for as long as there as humans, the earth will remain a danger, especially in these days when we've cast out The Spirit in favor of The Material which all our popular ideologies center around; the production and distribution of the material, fleeting things, and superficial cultures based upon those very values.


From the horses mouth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=rdpIIiBe7Wc

XDel said:

Sounds like you have been reading wiki rather than going outside and observing the world around you objectively.

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It's like a quasi-religion, and the news media, big business, educational suppliers, and main stream entertainment are in co-operation to expand it. It's a Brave New World in that nearly all prior values belonging to the old world are shunned and treated as prejudiced, oppressive, irrational, inhumane, and unscientific. And in their place their mirror opposites have been erected in the name of human liberation.

The motivation behind all of this, as I said, is for humanitarian causes, which of course have to do with a show of compassion and aid towards those who are suffering. In order to determine who is suffering, who needs aid, and in what order to deal with them, we categorize them, and split them into sub-divisions, according to their gender, race, and sexual fetishes or tendencies. The darker your pigment, or the more melanin you have, the more you qualify for compassion and aid. If you also happen to be a woman, then you are entitled to even more compassion and aid. And lastly, if your sexual tendencies lean more towards your own sex, or "I'm confused", then you might be eligible to even more compassion and aid.

Those who pay and will be held responsible of course will again be determined by the pigment of their skin, their gender, and their sexual tendencies. If you happen to make the particular criteria that makes you the guiltiest, then you will also be judged by what ideologies or political positions you pledge your self to, and how much material wealth you have to your claim.

So for example, if you are a black, transvestite, she-male, with Marxist tendencies, your own magazine, movie, news, or music publishing company, and are worth Billions in the sock market. You will probably not be judged at all, let alone show up as a blip on the radar. On the other hand if you do not meet a similar criteria, your life could very well be ruined, most importantly if you do not harbor Marxist tendencies in your perception of life, liberty, and fair play.

I could go on, all this is obvious, I am tired, must sleep, but the thing is though, people not liking us for, we presume the color of our skin, our gender, or our sexual fetishes, is a far cry from not having a place to call home, not having your own culture, your own way of life, choice beyond product A. B. or C, and beyond their influence, a full belly, healthy food and natural resources, seed bearing plants, access to what the earth once produced freely, and the sense of self determination, dignity, and self sovereignty that go with it all. Though never would I expect freedom from danger, for as long as there as humans, the earth will remain a danger, especially in these days when we've cast out The Spirit in favor of The Material which all our popular ideologies center around; the production and distribution of the material, fleeting things, and superficial cultures based upon those very values.


From the horses mouth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=rdpIIiBe7Wc

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You couldve just summarized this by saying "Yes I believe in conspiracies propagated by the Nazi party" I genuinely dont give a rats ass about your conspiratorial shit (also the video with the quote in, its funny because shes talkin about her own views and they also talk about how there own views are separate to the goal of blm but aight dude) Almost everything you described too has fuck all to do with marxism. Its the problem with the term cultural / social marxism. Its just a fucking spooky name for multiculturalism and miscegenation, and sexuality that differs from heterosexuality. The shit you are spewing isnt new, and its fucking laughable. The fact you wrote a fucking essay for what can be summed up in a few sentences blows my fucking mind. Like all its done is making you look even more mental than what i had assumed.

dalekman9999 said:

You couldve just summarized this by saying "Yes I believe in conspiracies propagated by the Nazi party" I genuinely dont give a rats ass about your conspiratorial shit (also the video with the quote in, its funny because shes talkin about her own views and they also talk about how there own views are separate to the goal of blm but aight dude) Almost everything you described too has fuck all to do with marxism. Its the problem with the term cultural / social marxism. Its just a fucking spooky name for multiculturalism and miscegenation, and sexuality that differs from heterosexuality. The shit you are spewing isnt new, and its fucking laughable. The fact you wrote a fucking essay for what can be summed up in a few sentences blows my fucking mind. Like all its done is making you look even more mental than what i had assumed.

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I didn't get nothing from the German Workers Socialist Party. I came to these conclusions through observation and testing.

Holy geez there's a lot of talk of non-video game things in this video game topic


Weird.

Jonna said:

Holy geez there's a lot of talk of non-video game things in this video game topic


Weird.

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Welcome to the modern era, where video games are no longer a medium of escapism from social and political issues, but can now be new battlefields for those issues - as long as they allow "old media" to espouse Progressive dogma and/or list inane "complaints". Take Marvel's Spider-Man, where the eponymous hero is working alongside New York police - gasp! Or how the righteous anger over Diablo Immortal was depicted as "harmful" and "whining". Or heck, Battlefield V's entire existence, along with key members of Fortnite's roster being "revealed" as homosexual just to attract positive press.
Is it any wonder why people become jaded, and "non-video game things" become commonplace?

RichardTheKing said:

Welcome to the modern era, where video games are no longer a medium of escapism from social and political issues, but can now be new battlefields for those issues - as long as they allow "old media" to espouse Progressive dogma and/or list inane "complaints". Take Marvel's Spider-Man, where the eponymous hero is working alongside New York police - gasp! Or how the righteous anger over Diablo Immortal was depicted as "harmful" and "whining". Or heck, Battlefield V's entire existence, along with key members of Fortnite's roster being "revealed" as homosexual just to attract positive press.
Is it any wonder why people become jaded, and "non-video game things" become commonplace?

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Oh the irony..

RichardTheKing said:

Welcome to the modern era, where video games are no longer a medium of escapism from social and political issues, but can now be new battlefields for those issues - as long as they allow "old media" to espouse Progressive dogma and/or list inane "complaints". Take Marvel's Spider-Man, where the eponymous hero is working alongside New York police - gasp! Or how the righteous anger over Diablo Immortal was depicted as "harmful" and "whining". Or heck, Battlefield V's entire existence, along with key members of Fortnite's roster being "revealed" as homosexual just to attract positive press.
Is it any wonder why people become jaded, and "non-video game things" become commonplace?

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I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I think this is partially why I've become more engrossed with retro games and just aren't as interested in more recent games anymore.

RichardTheKing said:

Welcome to the modern era, where video games are no longer a medium of escapism from social and political issues, but can now be new battlefields for those issues - as long as they allow "old media" to espouse Progressive dogma and/or list inane "complaints". Take Marvel's Spider-Man, where the eponymous hero is working alongside New York police - gasp! Or how the righteous anger over Diablo Immortal was depicted as "harmful" and "whining". Or heck, Battlefield V's entire existence, along with key members of Fortnite's roster being "revealed" as homosexual just to attract positive press.
Is it any wonder why people become jaded, and "non-video game things" become commonplace?

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Barely any game on the market actually tries to do stuff like this outside of the last of us 2 and those examples you listed. judging by the review bombing and bad ratings its pretty obvious that no company would try this again.
Look at all these games released in the past 4-5 years, horizon zero dawn, breath of the wild, mario odyssey, a hat in time, undertale, deltarune, god of war, granblue fantasy versus, street fighter 5, persona 5, nier automata, and smash ultimate
All really popular games
Now tell me how many of those games were politically charged or had some political agenda attached to them?
modern gaming is not as politically charged as you think it is

Chrisssj2 said:

You can think it is crazy, that is your right. And in a sense it is! But regardless that is what is going on what many people fail to see. It is not just LBGTQ though. It is also feminism and many other "movements" and thought schools, that have been largely co-opted, infiltrated, distorted and so on. I have never heard of these individuals you mention. or this church. This cultural editing goes WAY beyond just this LBGTQ topic. You are right 1984 style government is what you should be way off, that might even be a soft version if some individuals get their way.

Luckily it is not in many games though! So in that sense. They can have their one game. But if it happens alot more frequently in big games I'd be pissed. It is not attractive to me, and it is about influencing minds, thats why. Normalizing shit that shouldn't be normalized. Everyone is ofc free to make their own game and buy it ofcourse. But the program is with larger companies.. and funding etc..Imagine every other big triple a games having main charachters like this.... horror!

The constitution is something nice that you have, but IMO the forefathers didn't take it all the way. So it is not a finished product. But it is better then alot of countries have. Eventhough this constitution is not always followed.

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Clearly you don't know how people are impressionable and understand the function of the sub conscious. If you bombard the mind enough with certain images words and idea's. The reaction changes. The impact lessens. It normalizes. This can be used against you. Look around in their world. Buying all this shit they see on TV. If you repeat the lie often enough people will buy it.
Obviously not everyone will be sensitive to it, but it is about reaching a large crowd reaching ones who might or could be.
And to ones who might not be, making it accepted as a "new normal'.
Im not saying you necessarily start chasing penises. Though SOME might. Like I said it is mostly about normalizing things that shouldn't be normalized on a grand scale. Like it is something desire-able, blurring the lines.
Fact is most people are heterosexual. Not that they can't connect with something that is different then yourself. But people more easily connect something that is more like themselves. This formula can be found everywhere. Though something different ain't bad perse, but like I said agenda..
Why do you think this game has a pretty big lash out from fans.

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You know what the truth is? Is not the these satanist elite bastards want to normalize LBGTQRWX-+ to make our kids gay. No, they want to normalize wickedness and deviation, so that in the future, pedophilia could be normalized! Their favorite pastime.

THAT is the truth my friend.

64bitmodels said:

Barely any game on the market actually tries to do stuff like this outside of the last of us 2 and those examples you listed. judging by the review bombing and bad ratings its pretty obvious that no company would try this again.
Look at all these games released in the past 4-5 years, horizon zero dawn, breath of the wild, mario odyssey, a hat in time, undertale, deltarune, god of war, granblue fantasy versus, street fighter 5, persona 5, nier automata, and smash ultimate
All really popular games
Now tell me how many of those games were politically charged or had some political agenda attached to them?
modern gaming is not as politically charged as you think it is

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Persona 5 was politically charged but in a good way. It was more of a call to action about problems rather than telling you what to think or believe like LoU2 did

SANIC said:

Persona 5 was politically charged but in a good way. It was more of a call to action about problems rather than telling you what to think or believe like LoU2 did

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I agree; Persona 5 - especially Royal, which had a rather well-known "political" change - was a great way to include topics like this. Instead of just forcing controversial topics just for the sake of having them, it actually went into why and how they're detrimental. It's not perfect - the escape from the Ship Palace scene is a rather horrendous outlier - but it does do a rather good job at it.

nashismo said:

You know what the truth is? Is not the these satanist elite bastards want to normalize LBGTQRWX-+ to make our kids gay. No, they want to normalize wickedness and deviation, so that in the future, pedophilia could be normalized! Their favorite pastime.

THAT is the truth my friend.

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It is both my friend. You are right.

It's a good game, the narrative and the gameplay.
It's a history about revenge and how the revenge affects to the protagonists.

-If you don't like because you don't like the relationships or etnias included in the game don't try bait any arguee with these.