Jeffery Epstein indicted on charges of child sex trafficking

notimp · Jan 16, 2020

Bringing him up in this context was a bit unfair, I agree.

I was just wondering, as he goes for Miss world participants, what qualifies as 'young' for him.. Still unfair, I know.

Viri · Jan 16, 2020

Wow, I didn't realize how old this thread was, when it popped up in my feed. My first thought was, "wait, they're indicting a corpse on child sex trafficking charges?!" Are they going to do what they did to Pope Formosus to Epstein? Shit, I'd watch that!

notimp · Jan 16, 2020

It pays to follow stories past the first two weeks of initial reporting. So sorry for necrobumping, but I might do that a few times for that.

You usually get a bigger picture that way.

And yes, sorry its not always Trump this, Trump that...

eyeliner · Jan 16, 2020

notimp said:
Bringing him up in this context was a bit unfair, I agree. I was just wondering, as he goes for Miss world participants, what qualifies as 'young' for him.. Still unfair, I know.

I know where you come from. No need to explain. I just hope to convey the message that sometimes justified rage happens sometimes. I just put up my own view. And I know I'd be perfectly capable to see it through.

The Trump thing was just the most known example, because a lot of rich friends of Eppstein's did the same.

IncredulousP · Jan 17, 2020

eyeliner said:
In anyway, taking as long as it took, I'd find him and would have my way.

This is vengeance, revenge. Not justice.
It's because of this very mindset that we have established right to due trial.

What would you gain from further suffering? It may feel cathartic in the moment, but I guarantee it's fleeting. It won't undo the harm to your loved ones. It won't make that pain go away. You'll just carry more pain because of your actions.

eyeliner · Jan 17, 2020

IncredulousP said:
This is vengeance, revenge. Not justice.
It's because of this very mindset that we have established right to due trial.

What would you gain from further suffering? It may feel cathartic in the moment, but I guarantee it's fleeting. It won't undo the harm to your loved ones. It won't make that pain go away. You'll just carry more pain because of your actions.

Then I hope we agree to disagree?

Taleweaver · Jan 17, 2020

Heh... When I saw this thread bumped, I thought you heard the same story on the news : Eppstein's death has been investigated. He's been strangled. So this theory of suicide... Is dat 'can go straight out of the window', but I'm sure that these findings will be denied and /or discussed until nobody cares anymore.

arcanine · Jan 17, 2020

IncredulousP said:
This is vengeance, revenge. Not justice.

Personally I believe there is a limit to the extent to which people are deserving of justice.

notimp · Jan 19, 2020

Taleweaver said:
Heh... When I saw this thread bumped, I thought you heard the same story on the news : Eppstein's death has been investigated. He's been strangled. So this theory of suicide... Is dat 'can go straight out of the window', but I'm sure that these findings will be denied and /or discussed until nobody cares anymore.

Uh, nice.

NYT has the rebuttal: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html

Epstein’s Autopsy ‘Points to Homicide,’ Pathologist Hired by Brother Claims
The New York City medical examiner strongly disputed the claim that evidence from the autopsy suggested strangulation.

Published Oct. 30, 2019Updated Oct. 31, 2019

A forensic pathologist hired by Jeffrey Epstein’s brother disputed the official finding in the autopsy of his death, claiming on Wednesday that the evidence suggested that he did not take his own life but may have been strangled.

The New York City medical examiner’s office concluded in August that Mr. Epstein had hanged himself in his jail cell while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

But the private pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden, said on the morning TV show “Fox & Friends” that Mr. Epstein, 66, experienced a number of injuries — among them a broken bone in his neck — that “are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation.”

“I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials.

Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor, added, “I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

The findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city’s chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson, who previously ruled that Mr. Epstein’s death on Aug. 10 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center was a suicide.

“I stand firmly behind our determination of the cause and manner of death in this case,” Dr. Sampson said in an interview on Wednesday. She added: “In general, fractures of the hyoid bone and the cartilage can be seen in suicides and homicides.”

The hyoid is a bone near the Adam’s apple.

Dr. Sampson also dismissed Dr. Baden’s contention that the circumstances around Mr. Epstein’s death suggested other people may have been involved. She said her office had done a “complete investigation,” taking into consideration information gathered by law enforcement in making the determination.

“No one finding can be taken in isolation,” she said.

Dr. Baden served briefly as New York City’s medical examiner. He was provisionally appointed to the position in 1978 and dismissed just a year later, by Mayor Edward I. Koch. In later years, he went on to work as a consultant on a number of high-profile cases.

On Wednesday, Dr. Baden said Mr. Epstein had “three fractures in the hyoid bone, the thyroid cartilage.” He said those injuries were “very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation — homicidal strangulation.”

The autopsy also showed Mr. Epstein had several bones broken in his neck. The city medical examiner said Mr. Epstein’s death was “hanging” and the manner was “suicide.”

Before that determination was made public, an article in The Washington Post noted Mr. Epstein’s injuries included a broken hyoid bone, an injury that could have been a sign of strangulation, as well as suicide by hanging.

The article helped fuel conspiracy theories that speculated Mr. Epstein may have been murdered in order to prevent him from ensnaring his coterie of rich and powerful friends into his legal woes.

At the time, several medical officials cautioned against relying solely on the broken hyoid as evidence of strangulation. “It’s not a slam dunk,” Marcella Sorg, a forensic anthropologist, said in an interview. She said a broken hyoid is “a sign of neck trauma” that can occur in both strangulation and hanging cases.

Dr. Burton Bentley II, the head of Elite Medical Experts, a consulting firm based in Arizona, echoed that skepticism. “It’s not a hundred percent,” he said. “It’s not even going to get us to ninety.”

Mr. Epstein’s death led to several investigations into how a high-profile inmate apparently killed himself just weeks after he was placed on suicide watch after a previous failed attempt to take his own life.

Mr. Epstein was a wealthy financier and convicted sex offender. He used his money and connections to get a widely criticized plea deal in Florida in 2008 after several teenage girls gave sworn statements to the police stating that Mr. Epstein had sexually abused them at his mansion in Palm Beach, Fla. He spent 13 months in jail, but was allowed to leave for 12 hours a day, six days a week.

In July, federal officials arrested Mr. Epstein at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey and charged him with sex trafficking. He was accused of luring numerous underage girls to his homes in New York City and Florida then coercing them to perform sex acts with him for money.

A spokesman for the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan had no comment on Dr. Baden’s statements about Mr. Epstein’s death.

The criminal case against Mr. Epstein was closed after his death, but in the final court hearing in August, Mr. Epstein’s lawyers said they were not satisfied with the city medical examiner’s findings.

On Wednesday, one of the lawyers, Martin Weinberg, said Dr. Baden’s comments on Fox were consistent with the concerns he had previously raised.

This is hardly the first time Dr. Baden has generated headlines. In 1979, the city health commissioner wrote a letter to Mr. Koch — who was the mayor at the time — saying that Dr. Baden had “exhibited poor judgment in many instances,” including when he said that it appeared former Governor Nelson Rockefeller “had died during sexual intercourse.” He denied saying the remark.

In 1995, when O.J. Simpson was on trial for the murders of his former wife and her companion, Dr. Baden testified that evidence pointed to Mr. Simpson’s innocence. He said that the timeline of Mr. Simpson’s whereabouts that night would not have given him enough time to commit the murders.

Dr. Baden, who was featured in an HBO documentary series about his work, estimated he has conducted more than 20,000 autopsies.

Benjamin Weiser and Michael Gold contributed reporting.

Well, at least my assessment, that the fame seeker pathologist was not payed off was correct..

notimp · May 28, 2020

Netflix has published a documentary series, where the victims are given a voice.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12312250/

The legal procedure for unknow reasons took 25 years. Enough said.

notimp · Jun 30, 2020

Weee.. lets play a name game!

Primary source accuses former israeli prime minister, hedge fund managers, an unknown foreign president, governors, senate majority leaders, the owner of a french hotel chain and others of having slept with her after being handed over to them by Esptein. Now thats how good conspiracy theories start..

edit: Better sources for the accusations:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ins...inia-roberts-unsealed-memoir-2019-8?r=DE&IR=T
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-unsealed-documents-name-powerful-men-in-sex-ring

notimp · Jul 7, 2020

Now this (former reddit CEO tweet) is how good conspiracy theories start - Part 2:

Ghislaine Maxwell is arrested by now btw. (Was captured in Bradford, New Hampshire).

notimp · Jul 8, 2020

She literally was picked up in her own vacation home. So why didn't she flee? Because she has federal immunity granted related to most possible charges.

(interesting part starts around the midpoint of the video)

notimp · Sep 28, 2020

New Documentary is out. (Havent seen it.)

"Surviving Jeffrey Epstein" on Lifetime, four part series.

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