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Teenage babysitter shoots baby while taking selfie

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There's more good than bad babysitters, but there's a channel on YouTube which compiles photos and info of children that were murdered either by, you guessed, babysitters, boyfriend/stepfather, mother, grandfather, etc... I just can't understand why they would harm a child.

We once were all kids and they didn't deserve to have their lives taken away. This stuff really upsets me because someday I want to be a father and even though those people are, they treated their kids horribly.

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Some people have been killed by a single punch - we should also ban people from having hands! In fact how many people die each year in road traffic accidents - should we also ban cars/trucks?

Banning stuff is just plain silly - people that are intent on killing others will just find another way to do it if guns were banned. The bottom line is that some people are just mental.
Some by knocking their head to the floor, mainly because of the stupid challenge called "Skullbreaker" that began in Brazil, but seems it has died down. However, it appears it took a few victims. At least one or two.



0:57 The guy in the middle was either knocked out or dead from the blow, and the moron on right was laughing about it. Son of a b"tch.
 

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I think you hit every handwaving deflecting argument possible here, well done. The NRA would be proud.



Assault is banned, it's a crime to do it...

Haha, yes OK - whatever you say, many Boxers will disagree though, so will many cage fighters - and it also depends where in the world you live and who's doing the punching and under what circumstances. You can kill people that come into your property illegally in some places, also you can defend yourself if being assaulted quite legally as well - if you so happen to kill your attacker with one punch - you are using minimum force and will get off with it. Also if someone it trying to rape a kid for example and you go to help - nobody is gonna be arsed if you assault the child molester.....your 'assault is banned' is only in your head dude, bloody snowflake.
 

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Haha, yes OK - whatever you say, many Boxers will disagree though, so will many cage fighters

Yeah, holding a gun at your nephew is a sport now...

- and it also depends where in the world you live and who's doing the punching and under what circumstances.

No, assault is still assault, and assault is not the same thing as self defence.

Love the little bit of projection at the end there too, you're practically melting you delicate little frozen water crystal.
 

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Is this a new way of shutting down a discussion now? Making claims that are so outrageous, people will stop reacting, thereby giving the person on the loosing end of the argument, struggling to get back in, a few freebees, stating that 'pointing a gun at your nephew is not a sport'?

Why does every opinion (comment) have to matter the same amount in an open discussion again? (Facebook made it a default?)
 
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The only outrageous claim in this thread is that it is fine that a dumb teenager had access to a loaded gun at all.

Pretending otherwise exposes you are intellectually dishonest and have an agenda and therefore are not worth having a discussion with.
 
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The only outrageous claim in this thread is that it is fine that a dumb teenager had access to a loaded gun at all.

Pretending otherwise exposes you are intellectually dishonest and have an agenda and therefore are not worth having a discussion with.


Well first off, the 'dumb teenager' is an adult and should have received education at some point in her life before reaching adulthood that would've prevented what happened. But putting that aside, who are you suggesting made that claim? I don't see anyone in this thread saying "it's fine" that the babysitter had access to a loaded gun. Nobody said that. SO, who's outrageous??? Who's intellectually dishonest???

Typical.


OH NO, a teen shot a baby while taking a selfie! Quick, we need to ban all guns, so this doesn't happen again!

No, ban all selfies!
 
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This is a sad situation. Sadly, it won’t be the last. No law can change that. People will still possess guns, wether for protection or for sport. There will also be that creeper in the corner with nothing to lose. No matter the country. This is just a reminder that YOU are responsible for YOUR family. YOU can’t control OTHER PEOPLES actions. Lock up your dangerous shit.
 

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if you so happen to kill your attacker with one punch - you are using minimum force and will get off with it. Also if someone it trying to rape a kid for example
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Twitch suspends gamer Carl R. after shooting gun

You will never fix stupid.

In the live footage, R. is seen playing Call of Duty, before pausing to pretend to threaten someone with his handgun. He appeared to empty the chamber, but a bullet remained.
"I was clearly intoxicated, but the fact of the matter is... guns are not a toy. They are not to be messed with," he said later, in a filmed apology.
"It's a mistake, but it's a mistake that could have cost somebody their life," he said. "I'm so broken about this."
"I made my biggest mistake of my entire life last night, and it could ruin my life," he said.
"I could have hurt somebody, I could have hurt myself, I could have hurt one of my animals - and that's unforgivable."
"I'm not in SoaR anymore, and that is rightfully so. I hope you guys know I have no hatred toward them or anything like that... they did what they needed to do because I'm an idiot."

Four words. Children in your audience.
(No one much cares about virtue signaling about animals in comparison.)

src: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51768454

He had RGB though.
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You will never fix insane.

You will never fully outlaw guns.
Because you cant. Its like a candy bar that gives people the a power rush and a sense of being in a deciding role over life and death. In the example above, the play acting began - as someone accused the Twitch streamer of having no money. Power trip on demand, with gun, followed. People will not give them up freely. You may make them illegal, but there will still be proliferation regardless, and you will have less of a grip on it in cases where it really matters for a state (organized crime accumulating more money).

You can ban high velocity automatic guns, if you pair that with social shunning for people who want to have them (even more so than thats already the case), but then you also have to look at if what you are doing is for symbolic value (look at statistics).

You will never fix peoples emotional truth reaction on 'anything with baby in it'.
(So discuss those matters with 'baby' removed from the argument, just to get a more rational argument. Swap it with 'people'.)

In politics, if you are implementing new systems, you usually don't go with what an activist group says (they just produce the public pressure, so you do anything at all) - but what worked in other countries, or 'model projects' (some regions trying it first, and reporting outcomes), yet I have to see the first debate where someone would even argue on that level.

All that those discussions ever turn out to be is "good vs evil" accusations, with everyone wanting to represent good, because of feelings that are internalized.

Also , lets repeat this once more, locking your guns away is a really good idea. You also have to take responsibility for other people around you (for their actions) in situations where the outcome, frankly, can be that grave.
 
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You didn't even respond to the actual question. You said, "The only outrageous claim in this thread is that it is fine that a dumb teenager had access to a loaded gun at all."

I will ask you again ... who made that claim? Who said that is fine?


We can disagree on whether basic firearm safety should be a part of young adult mandatory education. I think "don't point the end of the gun at another person" is a given, whether that education happens or not.
 

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Oh, ok, got it. All the gun violence in Chicago is imported from surrounding cities/states. :rofl2:
What? If you cant buy a gun in Chicago, you can drive outside of Chicago, buy a gun, drive back, and commit gun related crimes. If they have strict gun laws, and high gun crime rates, how do you think they have guns?
 

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What? If you cant buy a gun in Chicago, you can drive outside of Chicago, buy a gun, drive back, and commit gun related crimes. If they have strict gun laws, and high gun crime rates, how do you think they have guns?

Question is, are the gun violence rates in these places outside the city where guns are less controlled higher than in the city, where gun control is strict?? Or is it the other way around?
 

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Question is, are the gun violence rates in these places outside the city where guns are less controlled higher than in the city, where gun control is strict?? Or is it the other way around?
Sure. But my point is you cant use Chicago as evidence for gun control not being able to work on a national level. Of course it wouldn't work just there. You can go freely anywhere in the country where laws vary greatly state to state.

You have to look at places that gun control has been enforced across the board. Australia and the UK for example.

I agree, guns dont equal crime. But when criminals can take a leisurely sunday cruise and buy guns (which makes crime easier) and bring them back home, then you haven't really done anything about the gun crime.
 

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