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SJWs, NPCs, Alt-Right, Nazis, Anti-SJWs, Woke, Far-Right, Far-Left, Left...

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I never said pick your poison. I said deal with the pressing issues first. If you think people with radically different opinions will end free society.... You do realize this has been the status quo for over the last century and we are still here right?

Gay Marriage was considered something so radical that would tear the fabric of our society just a few decades ago and it was a strong position held by many. I still await for our demise.
 
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Historically socialist countries tend to give more power to the government, through ownership or regulation.
It's not -necessarily- a bad thing even though as usual, too much of it can be catastrophic as well. Without some regulation, if you let the market regulate itself, you end up with situations of monopoly (hmmm comcast ~ hmmm disney).

When I mention socialism, I usually like to focus on what I consider are the important bits to take from it: Safety nets. Everyone should be given a chance in life, as fair as possible. What they do with this chance is up to them. But typically, some children have weaker bodies, or are born in poor families and can't afford proper education. That's where safety nets are necessary imho.

And these are real issues that we never hear about nowadays since it's all about far-left hyper-communautarism and far-right insistence on evil immigration.

I agree that the examples you gave are good things. However, I asked you to elaborate on the difference between socialism and social democracy.
You mention socialist countries, according to what you said earlier you believe France is socialist? I wouldn't agree with that. Here's a list of what Wikipedia thinks are or have been socialist countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

So again, I ask you what do you think is the difference between socialism and social democracy? We need to find some way to define this so we can have a frame of reference for discussion.
 
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I never said pick your poison. I said deal with the pressing issues first. If you think people with radically different opinions will end free society.... You do realize this has been the status quo for over the last century and we are still here right?

Gay Marriage was considered something so radical that would tear the fabric of our society just a few decades ago and it was a strong position held by many. I still await for our demise.

I have no problem with differing opinions, even with radical opinions, what I have a problem with is extremism and that absolutely has the capacity to end free society.
  • radical as defined in Germany means holding opinions on the far end of the spectrum but political action will be in accordance with the constitution
  • extremism as defined in Germany means employing unconstitutional means to further one's political views
I gave you an example of a post earlier how the left is turning a blind eye and normalizing extremism on their end of the spectrum, of course you have the usual suspects liking it as well.
 
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just out of curiosity, are you from japan?


Perhaps. However you could say that the negative consequences of miscalculations when people disregard "intelligent planning" can be brutal.
I just think that we so intertwined at a global scale now that reverting the clock is a excercise in futility (and from my beliefs, maybe thats for the better if not atleast so we could all learn some empathy from one another and that the actions of some governments will have effects on others)
No, I picked the flag way back when, when I actually was a lurker around here. Just because videogames/japan, there was a connection. Just a fluke, because I have the habit of entering wrong information in online profiles, when its not essential. ;)

Now I'm too stubborn to change it. :)

In regards to intelligent planning on the big scale - ok, then plan away if you (the theoretical intelligent planner on the world scale, that might not exist ;)) must. ;) Just know that if you produce stuff like "we've got to abstain from economic growth for a while - to save the old economic system", and then you follow that up with "we've got to abstain from economic growth for a while - while creating the new economic system" - people will notice, and start to rebel.

And rightly so.

They might not notice, that you produce lost generations here, in the developed world, but those who do will not react pleasantly.

So to all the intelligent planners out there, your planing sucks. It sucks so much, that I refuse to think of you as intelligent. ;) And no, the "but we have to drive globalization forward - and have everyone settle in on the same economic standard, thats lower than in the past, and with a widening gap between the top and the bottom within a society", because on average it reduces more harm" stance is not a sufficient excuse. ;) And if you then resort to PR to sell it to folks, we'll hate you even more. Signed, the critical thinkers. ;)

(That dont want to look at every issue with "world scale" in their minds. Because we have noticed, that a few things get overlooked that way.

Also I personally would hate to live in a society that consists entirely of ivory towers, and rural "self governing" areas, where the "non important" decisions are handled. But thats just me.)

Also dear intelligent planner, the world economic crisis of 2008 was a hoot wasnt it? And that everyone acted "legally" in within their limits producing it was as well, wasnt it? And that as the public sentiment you spread just that notion was a hoot, wasnt it. And that you now have a risk management thats recoupled with asset management as a solution is admirable, but that you do that while announcing to the world, that the importance of the european market will size down more to reflect their actual population numbers, while advertising to the world, that population numbers dont count in the automation age. And you do all that while announcing minor growth spikes (0.5% max) over the next 10 years as a result of the automation and digitalization sectors, then to be followed up by - nothing, because you really outcompeted the demand side in terms of efficiency... Well, if I should swallow all that as intelligent planing, while convincing myself, that people following a child saint politically in europe, that tells them that the world is going to end, because of minor changes in rainfall and snowfall propensity in my childrens lifetimes (in comparison to the actual IPCC target of 2°C) is the new normal - I'd go mad. Sorry. :)

The way thinktanks work, btw, is that you have people think about isolated potential solutions to issues - then you count on those to be implemented that are situationally, and politically viable at the time. That in itself is more patchwork, than intelligent planning.
 
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Calling the terms “alt-right” and “far right” buzzwords is hilarious in this day and age and reeks of either ignorance or a comment being made in bad faith.
They are very, very real, and are only growing as their ideals become increasingly mainstream, the leadership in certain countries drift further and further to the right and they indoctrinate the uneducated youth of the world. If an active attempt to stop and/or discourage the spread of those ideals aren’t made, the world will eventually head into a conflict unlike anything we’ve ever seen before, even if it takes a lifetime for things to fall into place.
 
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It's all apart of our inner tribal nature. We want easily assigned labels to generalize and sort out other people. Humans tend to love latching onto a group identity, unfortunately, and just love trying to destroy anybody falling outside of their approved categories.
 

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As a French I usually wonder if all of that is just a US thing and it's normal that I only learnt about those things recently or if it's worldwide and I don't know much because I usually don't care about politics/live under a rock...
 

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Seems politics have made people really dense as they can't help but use a political side and one of the usual buzzwords to label someone. It's like folks can't come up with intelligent arguments anymore and then you either have people saying "I'm going to take down all those Alt-Right Nazis with my wokeness!!" or "NPC SJWs are ruining everything."

As a kid I'd thought we'd have hover cars and have that cool technological products from Back to the Future now but nah, you have people calling others "Nazis" or "SJWs." Politics... Smh.

The whole Left vs Right is just a Monopoly game but supporters of both sides think their support makes a difference.

To make it clear, I tend to agree with what the "anti-SJWs" but not really always and there are some dicks who think they're more, uh, what's the word.. red pilled? Guess that works.
Best just to stop caring so much, but the far right and the far left do frighten me lol....

Both sides need to be told not to be such crybaby's lol.
 
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Stupid question here but: How many lefts are there? Because I think there are several or we all have different definitions... Because I think I would consider myself a leftist but in the sense of wanting a more social economy like those antiglobalization people who say that another world is possible and being an environmentalist and not in the "SJW" sense...
 

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There is no strict definition what left or right means. Because politcal positions change over time. Its literally just a way to describe positions in a spectrum.

Its what people use to talk about "the other".

In the US its change - vs four more years.

Historically it was being against, or for monarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
 
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Little help for our american friends to identify the political standing of certain media outlets. :)

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src: The Economist 08 06 2019
 
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Little help for our american friends to identify the political standing of certain media outlets. :)

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src: The Economist 08 06 2019
Gee Notimp, I love flashy charts and detailed graphic presentations as much as the next guy :P


Buuuut, we already have this nifty research from late April of 2019. It was conducted by Nicholas Diakopoulos. (Assistant professor Northwestern University School of Communication) and Daniel Trielli (Journalist and PHD student Northwestern University). Google Top Stories bias

It's an enlightening study and a good read.

Little help for our European friends to identify the political standing of certain media outlets :)

This chart illustrates the percentage of media outlet referrals in google top stories.
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Source :Northwestern University School of Communication
 
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Buuuut, we already have this nifty research from late April of 2019. It was conducted by Nicholas Diakopoulos. (Assistant professor Northwestern University School of Communication) and Daniel Trielli (Journalist and PHD student Northwestern University). Google Top Stories bias

It's an enlightening study and a good read.
Thing is, that study doesn't suggest Google shows a political bias, only a bias toward major outlets. The Economist chose a different, more direct title for their article on the matter: "Google rewards reputable reporting, not left-wing politics." The graphs contained within the article are interactive, so I can't post them here, but they're definitely worth a look. Tabloid sites like Daily Kos on the left and Breitbart on the right are given far less exposure, while reputable sites such as the New York Times on the left and New York Post on the right are given a lot more. Forbes and Fortune have the highest percentages of their traffic come from Google, and both are considered center-right.
 
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Actually you have to read deep into the link I posted. It actually does indicate google to have a left leaning bias. The following is an excerpt from the original article
Thing is, that study doesn't suggest Google shows a political bias, only a bias toward major outlets. The Economist chose a different, more direct title for their article on the matter: "Google rewards reputable reporting, not left-wing politics." The graphs contained within the article are interactive, so I can't post them here, but they're definitely worth a look. Tabloid sites like Daily Kos on the left and Breitbart on the right are given far less exposure, while reputable sites such as the New York Times on the left and New York Post on the right are given a lot more. Forbes and Fortune have the highest percentages of their traffic come from Google, and both are considered center-right.
You have to read deep into the link I posted. It actually does indicate google to have left leaning bias. Keep in mind part of their research was based on a previous research project from 2015.
The following is an excerpt from the original article/link I posted:

"media diversity is an important aspect to the way that Google—or any news aggregator—curates sources and perspectives.To get at this issue in our audit, we looked at the diversity of sources surfaced in Google Top Stories in terms of their ideological lean. More specifically, we used ratings data published in an earlier study which identifies the ideological alignment of the top 500 most-shared news sites on Facebook. The ratings don’t measure the slant of the media outlet per se, but rather reflect the self-reported political affiliation of Facebook users sharing content from those sources. The criteria were published in the peer-reviewed journal Science in June, 2015 by Eytan Bakshy, Solomon Messing, and Lada Adamic from Facebook’s Core Data Science team.

Our data shows that 62.4 percent of article impressions were from sources rated by that research as left-leaning, whereas 11.3 percent were from sources rated as right-leaning. 26.3 percent of impressions were from news sources that didn’t have ratings. But even if that last set of unknown impressions happened to be right-leaning, the trend would still be clear: A higher proportion of left-leaning sources appear in Top Stories."

@Xzi, I have not read your link yet but I shall.
 

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The ratings don’t measure the slant of the media outlet per se, but rather reflect the self-reported political affiliation of Facebook users sharing content from those sources.
Ah, an important distinction. Not all left-leaning individuals are necessarily averse to posting stories from Fox News, and not all right-leaning individuals are necessarily averse to posting stories from the Washington Post. Thus results of a study like that might be a bit scrambled. The article I posted measures the share of each website's traffic that comes from Google, and compares that data to the factual accuracy and political bias of those sites. So a very different methodology between the two studies.
 

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Ah, an important distinction. Not all left-leaning individuals are necessarily averse to posting stories from Fox News, and not all right-leaning individuals are necessarily averse to posting stories from the Washington Post.


I recognize the logic in your line of thinking.
However, I have yet to lay eyes on the liberal who has posted a link nor quoted from a conservative source. Unless to dispute, mock/make fun of the same. Also likewise for conservatives.
 

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I call out people acting like idiots, but you have to admit the crazy far left people have the largest voice and are supported by the media including social media outlets. People who are racist are usually quickly dealt with, heck even people who did nothing but disagree with SJW are quickly dealt with. Yet you can say any racist comment against "white" people you want, and you can be as sexist as you want against men.

Is this a safe place where I can express my racist hatred for a certain sex, race and political party so I can fit in an feel better about myself? If so, I'd like to join in on the shit talk about white men and the President of the United States.
 

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Is this a safe place where I can express my racist hatred for a certain sex, race and political party so I can fit in an feel better about myself? If so, I'd like to join in on the shit talk about white men and the President of the United States.
Feels before reals, right? White men are clearly the most persecuted group in the country, let's throw ourselves a pity party. Woe is me.

:rolleyes:

Seriously though, just because the president acts like a baby-back bitch on the daily doesn't mean you need to mimic that behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder combined with dementia is no joke.
 
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Feels before reals, right? White men are clearly the most persecuted group in the country, let's throw ourselves a pity party. Woe is me.

WOW you're first party! And you thought nobody liked you

acts like a baby-back bitch on the daily doesn't mean you need to mimic that behavior

You always resort to name calling to prove points or is it just a douchey habit of yours?
 

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WOW you're first party! And you thought nobody liked you
I've never been so lonely that I thought nobody liked me. Not that I'm big on giving a fuck about what other people think of me anyway.

And not to be too much of a stickler for grammar, but it's 'your.'

You always resort to name calling to prove points or is it just a douchey habit of yours?
I try to avoid it when talking about other users/regular people, but public figures are typically fair game. Especially when they make decisions that negatively impact the rest of us living in this country. Assuming your flag is accurate, I don't see a reason for you to be offended on Donald Trump's behalf.
 
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