School shooting in Colorado

DarthDub · May 10, 2019

Mental Health Issues, that is all.

VartioArtel · May 10, 2019

cots said:
Sounds like a practical idea, except who controls access to the gun? If the Government controls if and when you can use a gun than there would be no point in owning a gun and it would be in violation of the second amendment which was made to protect us from the government. I find the loss of life acceptable from shootings that are influenced by a lot of other things than just access to a gun to maintain our freedom to protect ourselves. Bad things happen and there are bad people in this world. The difference is if/when they come for me I'm going to fight them, not ask them to wait for me to take out my cellphone so I can call 911 and then ask them to wait for the police to show up when I stand in a "safe space" before they shoot me and take all of my money. I honestly don't think the people who are against arming themselves have ever been in a situation where they had to defend themselves.

Government law, but maintained at a state level, would be the ideal solution. Basically put the government has no control, but does have the authority to hold states responsible for not properly managing their guns, similar to an amendment. States control how guns are managed per state (as I remember), but it's the 2nd amendment that dictates that guns must be legitimate.

Least, this is how I envision it.

(Tired so not replying to most of your post)

notimp · May 10, 2019

DarthDub said:
Mental Health Issues, that is all.

Nice words bro.

Now how do you want to treat them, and how do you want to prevent them acting out in that way?

You have two options. Like the greek, that included them in their daily lives gave them respect and honored them, or like the english, who locked them away, never to see the light of day again.
(read Michel Foucault)
edit: I have to state, that we are talking -before- they do something like going on a shooting spree or rampage.

This is the other part we havent looked at. Whenever we say "how can this be prevented", we (left leaning folks) talk about socialization efforts essentially.

All that your thought process is circling around is family upbringing, and then prouding yourselves over not offering your children a broken home experience. Again, thats pretty low bar. I dont know, why you folks even like to talk about is so much. Again - its probably a "4/5 stars, I bought it, so mine is better" thing - that has really not that much to do with the issue at hand.

(Whose is the better parenting method - usually doesnt play that much of a role in who becomes the next mass shooter.)

Again, look at other countries, do you think, that your parenting methods on average are 300x worse?

In any case - that behavior triggering, is always a combination of nature, and nurture (upbringing), which I tried to offer you a bit of a deeper look into (what are the motivators, what are the logic jumps, how does the internal logic look like, how does it develop..).

So just giving them a name (clinically insane), which we do, btw - solves nothing.

Next thing you come up with is "giving them proper attention", which means calling up some institution. Guess what, thats failing as well.

So what do those words mean in that context? Look away and do nothing. Single out some individual, just because we dont like them. Then call a phone number, if they overreact. Those things develop over time. You maybe could have had 20 opportunities, to do something, to integrate such a person somehow. But instead you uttered that sentence.

I wont even call you dumb, because you really are the majority position on that - but you arent adding to any solution. You know that, right?

In the end you are just namecalling. But thank you for bringing it up in this thread, so I could address it.

edit: To condense it down even further, before they do something we call them silent, but very friendly people - and afterwards we call them clinically insane. What a help indeed.

DarthDub · May 10, 2019

notimp said:
Wall of text

Ever noticed that a majority of mass school shooters are mentally unstable? What I said is a real issue.

notimp · May 10, 2019

Ever noticed that water is wet? Real issue.

But thanks for the contribution.

Approximately 1 in 5 adults in the U.S. (46.6 million) experiences mental illness in a given year.1

https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-By-the-Numbers

edit: Maybe a little more text.

The thing is, that its really hard to tell from the outside, if a person suffers from a (even mild) depression, or has gone hostile towards their peer group, and plans to act on it. People usually reach out multiple times at least trying to share their situation, and if they withdraw entirely - they usually are still responsive to attention and care. Thats part one. Part two is, that even if you have people with a previous history of mental illness, and maybe even a known aggressive slant, there is still too many of them to keep them on check - and doing so, sometimes even would be non conducive for their health (stigma). You cant predict when a person will "flip" in that way, but you usually can prevent it with simple attention, care, friendly attendance, and yes - medical care, if people are open to it.

More condensed down. There is no predictive magic you can pull here to give professional attention to exactly the ones who need it.

Hanafuda · May 10, 2019

DarthDub said:
Ever noticed that a majority of mass school shooters are mentally unstable? What I said is a real issue.

That's a given. What I'd like to see is an honest, objective investigation of what percentage of mass school shooters were currently taking prescribed SSRI's when they did it.

notimp · May 10, 2019

Probably average to low. Based on a feeling.

You hear the "they were such nice and helpful guys, I would have never thought..." story far too often. Then they are young, so thats a lower probability as well. And they havent been through psychological screenings (they are usually still in development). Thats general probability. If you would like to infer a statistical grouping, I'm not touching that one.

Facebook by the way has an algorithmic test for suicide prevention live (see: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hpo6HFe5xw), but the threshhold towards action is always immediate danger or self harm, because they will essentially inform the police.

Also I wouldnt count on that (algorithmic screening on facebook) to be much of a solution to be honest, simply because of failure rate. (Even at 99% validity, they would constantly trigger false positives, and send police everywhere - so we are still standing at - this is not something you can solve with prediction magic. Also folks can simply stay away from facebook (- once this gets more known), which the younger generation seems to be doing more and more anyhow.

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