The NZ Shooting

SG854 · Mar 23, 2019

Xzi said:
It was banned by a single reseller, not the country. So that's a matter of the business' rights, though I know the right-wing hates it when that doesn't play in their favor.

What does right wing has to do with it? His book is hardly about politics. It’s a book from a psychologist to help people.

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

SG854 said:
What does right wing has to do with it? His book is hardly about politics. It’s a book from a psychologist to help people.

Jordan Peterson rarely stays away from the topic of politics, and he doesn't try to keep it a secret that he sides with the far-right. The reasoning doesn't really matter though, a business is free to stop carrying a product for any reason they see fit. At least, that's the way it is in the US, and I'm assuming NZ is similar in that regard.

SG854 · Mar 23, 2019

Xzi said:
Jordan Peterson rarely stays away from the topic of politics, and he doesn't try to keep it a secret that he sides with the far-right. The reasoning doesn't really matter though, a business is free to stop carrying a product for any reason they see fit. At least, that's the way it is in the US, and I'm assuming NZ is similar in that regard.

His book is a self help book. People have benefited from his book and lives became better. And this just isn’t one book they are going to be banning. With the way they been blocking social media and access to information.

He does not with the fat right, that is so ridiculous. Stop paying attention to the crap media that makes lies about him. I seen his talks and his lectures on psychology, he’s hardly far right.

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

SG854 said:
His book is a self help book. People have benefited from his book and lives became better.

Who cares. There are millions, if not billions, of self-help books. And all of them have testimonies that they "made lives become better."

You ask me, nobody needs a book to help themselves rofl. You either have the capability in you or you don't. It would be really nice if this country had any sort of mental healthcare system in place in order to help those that can't help themselves, though. Y'know, before they turn to terrorism just to get their name on the news.

SG854 · Mar 23, 2019

Xzi said:
Who cares. There are millions, if not billions, of self-help books. And all of them have testimonies that they "made lives become better."

You ask me, nobody needs a book to help themselves rofl. You either have the capability in you or you don't. It would be really nice if this country had any sort of mental healthcare system in place in order to help those that can't help themselves, though. Y'know, before they turn to terrorism just to get their name on the news.

Why are you even trying to argue that banning is a good thing? What are you even arguing?

You know what banning his book is going to do right? It’s going to convince people that they are after the right and trying to silencing them. And it will add to their belief globalist nationalist belief that the left is trying to silence people and control them. This will push more people to the far right then Jordan Peterson books ever have. And Jordan Peterson self help book is hardly about politics at all.

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

SG854 said:
He does not with the fat right, that is so ridiculous. Stop paying attention to the crap media that makes lies about him. I seen his talks and his lectures on psychology, he’s hardly far right.

About that...this is the image which circulated after the NZ shooting, which is likely what got his book banned by the retailer there:

He's not exactly shying away from this guy.

SG854 said:
Why are you even trying to argue that banning is a good thing? What are you even arguing?

I'm not arguing anything at this point, I've already stated the facts: a retailer is free to stop carrying any product they wish, for any reason.

SG854 · Mar 23, 2019

Xzi said:
About that...this is the image which circulated after the NZ shooting, which is likely what got his book banned by the retailer there:

He's not exactly shying away from this guy.

I'm not arguing anything at this point, I've already stated the facts: a retailer is free to stop carrying any product they wish, for any reason.

Oh c’mon learn the context of the situation

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

SG854 said:
Oh c’mon learn the context of the situation

When has any corporation ever given a fuck about context? They only care about what is going to affect their bottom line, and if they're a NZ-specific retailer, even more reason to side with the locals over this type of douchery.

Deleted User · Mar 23, 2019

Fugelmir said:
We have a very dishonest mainstream media that we struggle with to get accurate information.

This whole situation was fishy from the getgo. They described him as an Eco terrorist that chose to shoot up a mosque of all places. That certainly isn't the impression the video gives.

For those of us who aren't comfortable watching a mass shooting video, what part of it makes you say that?

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SG854 said:
His book is a self help book. People have benefited from his book and lives became better.

New Zealand is very anti self help and pro forcing you to use state sponsored help which either abandons you or makes things worse.

SG854 · Mar 23, 2019

Xzi said:
When has any corporation ever given a fuck about context? They only care about what is going to affect their bottom line, and if they're a NZ-specific retailer, even more reason to side with the locals over this type of douchery.

Context matters a lot. If they are scared what happenes to their bottom line then why ban the book. Peterson is very popular.

Him calling out the far right.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1106389845335859201?s=09

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

SG854 said:
If they are scared what happenes to their bottom line then why ban the book. Peterson is very popular.

Popular in New Zealand? Doubtful. Banning it from their store after the photo garners them a lot more positive PR, more sales as a result of that would just be the cherry on top.

SG854 said:
Him calling out the far right.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1106389845335859201?s=09

That's not the way these types of sponsorships/reseller agreements work. Once it's been revoked, it's been revoked. They aren't going to bring his book back the next week because he's trying to appear neutral now.

Fugelmir · Mar 23, 2019

Snugglevixen said:
For those of us who aren't comfortable watching a mass shooting video, what part of it makes you say that?

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The video shows a man less concerned with causing harm than death. He kills everyone with a head mounted camera which makes it feel like a videogame. After killing most of the mosque, he proceeds empty 4 magazines into the pile of corpses ensuring that no one survived.

After he leaves the mosque, he grabs a can of fuel, seemingly to set the place on fire, but ultimately doesn't. On his way out, he notices a girl walking by on the street and fires at her twice.

She falls down on the sidewalk begging for people on the other side of the street to help her. Shooter notices this. Puts a bullet in her jaw, and another one in her temple shooting skull and brain matter several feet into the road.

Were he a sadist, he would probably have left these people alive to suffer. It was very professionally done for the most part and very calculated. So, I'm not sure what to think here.

The anti gun rhetoric is alarming. This guy doesn't even follow the "don't murder people" law. I really don't believe he would follow the "no gun" laws.

Xzi · Mar 23, 2019

Fugelmir said:
Were he a sadist, he would probably have left these people alive to suffer. It was very professionally done for the most part and very calculated. So, I'm not sure what to think here.

What the fuck. How does that make it in any way better?

Fugelmir said:
The anti gun rhetoric is alarming. This guy doesn't even follow the "don't murder people" law. I really don't believe he would follow the "no gun" laws.

This guy wasn't even a native of NZ. The idea is to have fewer semi-autos easily available to anyone in the country, it's not just about one case.

Fugelmir · Mar 24, 2019

Xzi said:
What the fuck. How does that make it in any way better?

Him being a sadist would imply it was a cathartic experience and might signify it being a result of mental illness --> solve the problem with increased mental health services.

The shooter's passport and authorities he had visited Israel, and the United States, and Europe. His family said he was radicalized in Europe: in Cypress. So it's hard to know his motives given the background.

Xzi · Mar 24, 2019

Fugelmir said:
Him being a sadist would imply it was a cathartic experience and might signify it being a result of mental illness --> solve the problem with increased mental health services.

Dude was clearly mentally ill. No question about that. The exact type of mental illness doesn't matter.

supersonicwaffle · Mar 24, 2019

Xzi said:
Jordan Peterson rarely stays away from the topic of politics, and he doesn't try to keep it a secret that he sides with the far-right. The reasoning doesn't really matter though, a business is free to stop carrying a product for any reason they see fit. At least, that's the way it is in the US, and I'm assuming NZ is similar in that regard.

Jordan Peterson has a degree in political science so it wouldn't be too surprising he doesn't shy away from political discussion.
I'm genuinely curious about your assertion that he openly sides with the far-right. Can you give any examples? I have seen some interviews with him but pretty much nothing of his original conent.

Doran754 · Mar 24, 2019

supersonicwaffle said:
Jordan Peterson has a degree in political science so it wouldn't be too surprising he doesn't shy away from political discussion.
I'm genuinely curious about your assertion that he openly sides with the far-right. Can you give any examples? I have seen some interviews with him but pretty much nothing of his original conent.

I wouldn't bother, the little time i've spent on this site over the last 48 hours has showed me Xzi is as far left as they come, anti free speech pro censorship (of the right) but denies being a ring leader of antifa.

Xzi · Mar 24, 2019

supersonicwaffle said:
Jordan Peterson has a degree in political science so it wouldn't be too surprising he doesn't shy away from political discussion.
I'm genuinely curious about your assertion that he openly sides with the far-right. Can you give any examples? I have seen some interviews with him but pretty much nothing of his original conent.

Well, calling him far-right might be a bit harsh, but he definitely leans in that direction. Was not smart posting a picture of himself with a guy who's shirt declares him a "proud Islamophobe" right after the NZ attack. You'd think Peterson would be better at avoiding bad PR by now. Assuming he even tried to avoid it, anyway.

shamzie said:
I wouldn't bother, the little time i've spent on this site over the last 48 hours has showed me Xzi is as far left as they come, anti free speech pro censorship (of the right) but denies being a ring leader of antifa.

Ho boy, you got me. I'm a far-left antifa Socialist just like FDR. :rolleyes:

supersonicwaffle · Mar 25, 2019

shamzie said:
I wouldn't bother, the little time i've spent on this site over the last 48 hours has showed me Xzi is as far left as they come, anti free speech pro censorship (of the right) but denies being a ring leader of antifa.

And I've also talked to people openly supporting Nazis on here. If I'm unwilling to learn about other people's views I'm gonna die a narrow minded idiot. But you do you.

Xzi said:
Well, calling him far-right might be a bit harsh, but he definitely leans in that direction. Was not smart posting a picture of himself with a guy who's shirt declares him a "proud Islamophobe" right after the NZ attack. You'd think Peterson would be better at avoiding bad PR by now. Assuming he even tried to avoid it, anyway.

I got a feeling you're gonna keep moving him to the left if I keep asking for examples.

Xzi · Mar 25, 2019

supersonicwaffle said:
I got a feeling you're gonna keep moving him to the left if I keep asking for examples.

Nah, prior to the NZ shooting, most of his political rhetoric was about how the entirety of the left had become extremists. After the shooting, and his subsequent book banning, he decided to call out the far right for once. Which seems disingenuous at that point.

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