Hacking [Review] AceNS - Dongle for Nintendo Switch - Payload injector

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Neither the Ace3DS webpage nor the first post mention anything about supercapacitors because it doesn't use them. It's clear enough that if the other brand which sells the same product offers a wrong description, that's their fault. If you buy the product from a seller or a brand which offers a tricky description you have a problem with them. Being objective, it's not a problem with the ones who have offered correct information about their product or the product they are talking about. So this is the last message I write related to this issue.



Due to my knowledge area and hobbies I usually manipulate devices so I know what I'm talking about as it's risky if you manipulate them without taking care about safety. Normal capacitors cannot store enough energy for a long time to keep a device working as it's not their target.
You are missing the point, the manufacturers are either not using the correct capacitors that their dongles require or there is leakage some where. A quality capacitor will hold 90 percent of its charge for years upon years.
 
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Neither the Ace3DS webpage nor the first post mention anything about supercapacitors because it doesn't use them. It's clear enough that if the other brand which sells the same product offers a wrong description, that's their fault.

Is this statement true though?

Looking at the teardown pics YOU posted:
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When I google this:
https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=2.7v+1f+capacitor

It seems this spec IS a SUPERCAPACITOR/Ultra capacitor.


In fact, compared to the SX Pro teardown (taken from here)
https://gbatemp.net/threads/sx-pro-disassembly-teardown.510018/
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It seems the SX Pro only uses 2.7V 0.35 F supercaps, compared to the 2.7V 1F supercaps used here (!).

So SX Pro uses supercaps that are around 3x cheaper than the supercaps used by the RCMLoader (based on Alibaba prices, 0.35f are mostly at $0.15 each while the 1F ones are mostly at $0.40 each, with several exceptions).
Prices based on quick googling and are not guaranteed

Then I guess it's not crappy caps, but bad design. The dongle probably never turns itself off (which is why other dongles have an ON/OFF switch).
 
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The simplest thing to do is get rid of those daft caps. Replace with a lipo.

Quiescent current seems far too high for these caps. They will go flat. Apart from fitting a switch between + and the board, you aren't going to cure it completely.
 

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You are wrong (is supercapacitor in capital letters), as you say, it seems, but it is not. You wrongly used intuition as a source, the specs you mention are within the values allowed by aluminium electrolytic capacitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor#Comparison_with_other_storage_technologies

I mean:
- XKit's site says they are "ultra capacitors",
- when I try to look it up and all I can find are supercaps,
- and AceNS is obviously just a rebrand and XKit's is the original, simply based on the pricing and release order

So it's XKit's word (the original creators) vs yours.
And I don't see why they wouldn't use supercaps when it's cheap af based on Alibaba prices (even cheaper than SX Pro's caps, which I was also able to find).

I even found that that exact same brand capacitor (ZNP) on two different sites, and it says they're supercaps:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/6-3-12mm-2-7V-1F_60703535287.html
https://www.diytrade.com/china/pd/13049520/super_capacitor_2_7V_1F.html

But you know what, I don't really care about that anymore.
I don't really know jack about electronics, so I couldn't care less about the difference in whether it uses supercaps or not. I'll even edit out any "rude stuff" in my last comment for you as I'm not interested in that topic anymore.

I'm interested in something else now, seeing someone mod the RCMLoader/AceNS and put an on/off switch onto it.

The only thing I now want to see someone test is if the RCMLoader/AceNS will hold a charge if it had a switch to disconnect the capacitors from the circuit, like how other dongles have a switch:
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Is it just me or is the usb c size tolerance way off on the rcmloader dongles. Basically have to force it into the switch, I suspect that these crap dongles will quickly wear out the usb c port on the switch..
 

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Is it just me or is the usb c size tolerance way off on the rcmloader dongles. Basically have to force it into the switch, I suspect that these crap dongles will quickly wear out the usb c port on the switch..
I don't get that on mine, or at least no more force than any other usb c device I've used
 

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I don't get that on mine, or at least no more force than any other usb c device I've used
I just received 2 rcmloader model zero dongles and they are definitely not the right size usb c. Compared to the official Nintendo charger and another usb c cable I have, these dongles take a ton of force. So much force that at first I was sure it was not going to fit without breaking something.
 

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Just in case somebody missed it :)

so i modded mine =)

i dont know if it is electricaly correct... i just tried it that way... the only thing i tested, before plugging it into my switch, was the voltage on the dataline so i dont fry my switch. everything works as it should. I can upload new payloads via usb, the lithium ion cell is charging when connected to a pc. i didnt made a lot of durability testing but i will try to monitor every 3 or 2 days.

i connected the INPUT pads on the charger pcb to the both test pads right next to the micro usb port of the rcm loader. if you look from the front the left pad is + and the right pad is -. i unsoldered both capacitors and left the inner contacts blank as they are connected to each other because of the capacitors are placed in series. the other two pads are connected to the OUT+ and - on the charger pcb as printed on the circuit.

the next thing i will do, if i can get some time, is designing and 3d printing two more of those colored side things.

Now two weeks after my initial post on another thread that frankenstein dongle is still working ;-)
 

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Anybody got the AceNS revision (which supposedly has a battery now) and can make a small review and specifically confirm if it fixed the issues with the original AceNS/xkit's dongle?
 

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Just in case somebody missed it :)



Now two weeks after my initial post on another thread that frankenstein dongle is still working ;-)

Cant you give a complete set of things that needed to do the mod, like the battery spec and the drawing of the circuit flow (or at least the picture which one need to soldered to the board)
 

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I would sure like to find one of the old "Zero" versions of the RCMloader (or clone). I have a couple "NS-Atmosphere" Payloaders and more of the RCMloader One's....but I like the TANK look of the old Zero.
 

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