[Review] AceNS - Dongle for Nintendo Switch - Payload injector

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  1. bundat

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    The Atmosphere folder only contains Hekate-CTCaer, and the ReiNX folder only contains the ReiNX bin payload.
    They're not some special format specifically for this dongle...
    The files are only renamed to payload.bin.

    Just get them from their threads here in GBATemp?
    Or the github releases linked in their threads here...
     
  2. Sir_Marshmallow_Dog

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    /REINX/PAYLOAD.BIN

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    i messed with teh files and ecentual got it to work thank you for your help so much
     
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  3. ravihpa

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    Lol, what battery health? This thing doesn't hold charge for more than 15 mins. That's literally the main reason to not get this shitty dongle.
     
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  4. el_ssbb_boy
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    It doesn't use a battery, it uses capacitors. Batteries die faster, it's not about storing energy, that's why we don't have to worry about the battery health. In fact, there already are cases about dongles which use batteries which cannot be used due to the battery death.

    It's explained that you need to charge this dongle with the Switch system every time you want to use it. It's all about reading and buying the device that fits better for you.
     
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  5. bundat

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    Yes, VERY CRAPPY capacitors.
    It can't even hold a charge for longer than 15 minutes.
    Unlike the SX Pro that ALSO uses capacitors, but can hold a charge for WEEKS.

    Want to charge it at home, so that you have an emergency dongle in case your AutoRCM Switch dies while on the go?
    Nope.
    This dongle will be dead in minutes even when not in use.

    Literally EVERY OTHER dongle out there can hold a charge for at least 24 hours,
    especially if you charge it before leaving the house.
    It's amazing how this dongle can't do something so simple, ALL OTHER DONGLES can do it.
     
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    First of all, for your message and the previous one, answers can also be using more elegant words. It's unpleasant reading anyone using a rude language in a public forum. Remember it just affects the writer's image.

    You don't understand how a capacitor works, its use is not storing energy for a long time, that's what a battery does.

    That's the price difference between the Xecuter's solution and the AceNS / RCMLoader. I wonder how Xecuter managed to use the capacitors like that. That's a good point for them. The other dongles use batteries, once the battery dies you need to solder a new one and batteries die sooner, more if we talk about Chinese batteries.

    It's also specified that you cannot use AutoRCM with this dongle because of that. It's a negative point.

    As I said in the previous message, it's about reading and choosing the best one for your needs. If you want to use AutoRCM this dongle is not for you. In that case, I would recommend the router which you can reflash, it's usually cheaper, it uses a better (1800mAh) and more reliable battery than any other dongle (usually less than 200mAh) and it also has a powerbank function.
    Link example, although there aren't any units: https://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-...00mAh-Powerbank-p-55364.html?cur_warehouse=CN
    It can be found for a bit less.
     
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  7. bundat

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    The people who are complaining are mostly angry users who have bought the RCMLoader/AceNS, not expecting that it's not able hold a charge for even just 15 minutes.

    So of course, you cannot expect "elegant words", these are people who find they just bought something USELESS for their use case (i.e. AutoRCM Switch, with no other extra devices to charge it with).

    So if we call it a GARBAGE DONGLE, don't expect us to use prettier words, because that's EXACTLY what it is to us.

    I'm quite surprised how eager you have been to defend this thing in this thread, are you affiliated with them?

    Because if you are, then I'd say that instead of arguing with HIGHLY DISSATISFIED users on a public forum (which is VERY UNPROFESSIONAL), I'd instead focus on how to fix this problem (e.g. create a newer dongle version that can hold a charge, and maybe even offer dissatisfied users a way to trade theirs in).
     
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  8. el_ssbb_boy
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    I don't know if you have bought it or not. If someone doesn't read before buying it's that person's fault, there's a lot of reliable information on the Internet.

    I wish I could have a salary just for defending a product in a forum. Of course I am not affiliated with them and I'm talking in a relaxed way, neither shouting (capital letters) nor using a rude language, that's why I advised you about it before.

    I've always been partial:
    1. Recommending other alternatives which lets you use AutoRCM.
    2. It's mentioned in the first post that you cannot use AutoRCM, if you read, you see it.
    3. Saying that RCMLoader and AceNS are the same, third message of the thread.
     
  9. bundat

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    Oh SURE, except for THIS little detail:
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    I just can't trust that that info was actually there when this post was first made, especially when the first post was edited almost A FULL MONTH after it was first posted.

    Funniest thing too, it was edited right SHORTLY AFTER the trainwreck happened in the RCMLoader thread, after people started getting their units. Isn't that suspiciously convenient no?

    Can you JUST STOP blaming users, with all these "it's your fault if you didn't read before buying" or "you don't know how capacitors work" bullcrap? If it was truly specified anywhere that these junk dongles can't hold a charge, do you think all these users (of the RCMLoader) would not have noticed it BEFORE making the purchase?
    "Oh, maybe all these users just can't read", like you are saying.
    EXCEPT, you know, I CAREFULLY read through posts like these when I am initially interested in a product (yes, even your post), so I can instantly detect nonsense like I did with XKit ads in this post:

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/xkits-rcm-clip-dongle-jig-is-10.518090/#post-8280673

    You did NOT have that new section you added about being incompatible with AutoRCM (which is NEEDED by users like me who don't want to burn fuses).

    Seriously, if you are affiliated with them, then BLAMING DISSATISFIED USERS is the WORST thing you could possibly do. And if you are not affiliated with them, then I don't see why you should keep defending this thing, instead of just letting users post about their own negative experiences without arguing with them.
     
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  10. Clydefrosch

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    I kinda wish any one of these dongles just came requiring an aa battery.
    no soldering batteries, no dumb capacitors and you get them literally anywhere.
     
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  11. bundat

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    There's the "community-made dongle" (by @electronrancher) that's virtually perfect
    - updatable payload (drag and drop)
    - CR2032 battery (so you can easily carry a spare)
    - built-in USB-C connector (so it's tiny with no extra cables, unlike some frankenstein router solutions)

    Too bad it's been sold out since Oct.11, and the maker hasn't been posting (so they probably have stopped production of new units)
     
  12. electronrancher

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    Hi Guys,

    No, not discontinued just way delayed. I was working with the PCB shop to try to get part of the cutout improved, and we went round and round on trying a couple things that didn't work. Each try takes about a week, so there's October for ya. :)

    Anyway, the new build is coming this week so I will happily restock the Tindie shop long about Thursday. I apologize for the delay, I'd been putting it off because I was sure "The next one is definitely going to work!"

    Thanks for the kind words, @bundat!
     
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  13. TheCyberQuake

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    1. You seem to expect that everyone will see this one single review before going out and buying the dongle. Which you then seem to think discredits their complaining that the dongle isn't great because it can't hold a charge, even though almost every other dongle out there, even the ones that use capacitors, can hold a charge for fat longer than 15 minutes.

    2. Just because it has good features does not make it a good dongle. Good features are great but if the hardware isn't up to snuff to make it reliable and convenient then it's still a bad product.
     
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    The sections are the same as when I published it. I added it as a disadvantage in order to make it clearer as it actually is a disadvantage. This is intact since I published it:

    Logically, you are not going to turn the Switch off while it's on AutoRCM mode, that's clear enough. You could read it before and you knew it used capacitors as all this information is in the thread since the beginning. You could search for the difference between capacitors and batteries too.

    I never said anything like that, never quote anyone with anything that person has not said. There's a big difference between not reading and not being able to read.

    What you say about Aliexpress descriptions is true, I know about some cases in which the users bought it while thinking it had a battery, that's a problem they have with the seller and they can complain to the seller and open a dispute. That's the seller's fault.

    As I said, I'm not and I'm recommending alternatives and I'm saying that everyone must buy what fits better for each person. You shouldn't take this issue in a personal way as I'm not precisely the one who is arguing.


    @TheCyberQuake I don't care to whom critiques are directed to. In your case, your critique is a good example of how critiques should be, you've been respectful. All opinions are valid if they are made from the respect.

    I think the only dongles which use capacitors are Xecuter's dongle and this one, that's why I'm interested in how Xecuter made it. And I totally agree with you, each person should buy what's better for their needs.


    @electronrancher
    It's a very interesting option, is there a thread about it? I might be interested in buying one.
     
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    And that is the ONLY section that DIRECTLY states this property, you keep acting like you already posted something else before that states this but that is just NOT TRUE.

    This is NOT proper logic AT ALL.
    • The Switch does NOT need to be off while the dongle is inserted. This info is COMPLETELY WRONG.
      • The CORRECT answer Switch needs to be in RCM MODE, which AutoRCM does. ANYONE who knows how the Fusee Gelee exploit works (which is to inject the payload while the Switch is in RCM Mode) knows this.
    • So LOGICALLY it cannot be used as a premise, since the statement is INCORRECT.
    • That you even quoted this makes me think you don't even know how AutoRCM works. Do you know how AutoRCM works? When the Switch crashes/dies, it CANNOT charge any devices via the USB-C port. This means that if you are on the go and your Switch dies, only a CHARGED DONGLE can revive your Switch, the Switch itself CANNOT charge the dongle.
    • Your statement "You cannot use autoRCM", and "if you want to use AutoRCM" seems to imply that you think users have the choice of turning AutoRCM off. BUT MANY users use AutoRCM not just so they can avoid a jig. Because if you want to avoid burning fuses while running a higher FW, you CANNOT boot in non-RCM mode. A SINGLE jig failure means burned fuses, hence AutoRCM is REQUIRED for protecting the efuses.
    • Your statement "It's also specified that you cannot use AutoRCM with this dongle because of that. " is ALSO WRONG. You CAN use this dongle with an AutoRCM Switch, IF it is charged before hand. The only problem is that an AutoRCM Switch can't charge it if the Switch has crashed (which is the MAJOR use case for a dongle, reviving a Switch on the go after it crashes). If ONLY it held a charge for even 24 hours, then you could charge it before leaving the house. But holding a charge for only 15 minutes is unbelievably short!
    You keep acting like saying "it uses capacitors" is somehow a "free pass", and as if everyone should've "known" this means it cannot hold a charge.

    BUT again, this is just NOT TRUE.

    SX Pro had already been released by this time, and almost everyone knows THOSE use capacitors. And it is ALSO common knowledge that it can hold a charge for at least A WEEK.

    So it is ALSO LOGICAL that people will assume SIMILAR performance from any other dongle that uses capacitors.

    I already told you in my earlier post, STOP DOING THIS.
    This is VERY PATRONIZING.
    You are acting like just because you said "capacitors", as if no one else understood how capacitors properly work, and that they should've understood that it CAN'T hold a charge.

    Why don't YOU do a search yourself?
    If a capacitor is properly disconnected from the circuit, the duration that it can store energy is based on its leakage current.

    And almost everyone knows capacitors can hold a charge.
    That is why it is dangerous to open high voltage equipment even YEARS after they've been last used.
    This article even discusses the possibility of using super-capacitors to replace batteries:
    https://hackaday.com/2017/01/19/will-supercapacitors-ever-replace-batteries/

    So stop acting like just because you said "capacitors" that it's like a magic word you can use to say "that means it can't hold a charge". That's BULL.

    The XKit site states that they use "ultra capacitors" (archived version of the site here)
    And searching for how long those can hold a charge, someone did the math:
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    But 15 minutes is NOT 3-days (and not even down to 50% capacity, but COMPLETELY DRAINED within MINUTES).

    The truth is, either this dongle's capacitors are garbage, or the design is faulty and they made it so that the circuit drains it even when not in use.

    That's BULL.
    Stop trying to get away with technicalities such as "I said it uses capacitors" or "there's a difference between not reading and not being able to read".

    Why don't YOU read what you said:
    This is PRESUMPTUOUS.
    You ASSUME people didn't read, and IMMEDIATELY BLAME the users stating "it's their fault".
    So ALL the users I quoted above "didn't read"?
    THAT is your conclusion? REALLY?

    As I said, I CAREFULLY READ EVERYTHING posted about an item I'm interested about, so you are already INSTANTLY WRONG about your presumption that the user/s "didn't read".

    And NOTHING in your original post alluded to such TERRIBLE performance such that the dongle can't even hold a charge for even longer than 15 minutes.

    And don't say that junk about saying "capacitors" again because I already addressed that above.

    As I stated above, you've made statements that are either PATRONIZING, or PRESUMPTUOUS.

    Saying "you should search how capacitors work" or "it's the users fault if they didn't read before buying" are very passive aggressive ways to insult the users' intelligence, don't act like these are "elegant words" like you said.

    And you've also been using COMPLETELY WRONG premises to DEFEND this dongle (such as stating the Switch should be OFF when inserting the dongle, when it is only required to be in RCM mode).

    When all we are doing is posting our own negative experiences, like @ravihpa did earlier, and yet you found it necessary to argue with them and counter them posting about their experience... which is RIDICULOUS, why would you argue against a user review??? Unless you had a stake in the matter like being affiliated with them, then it makes no sense, just let people post their OWN experiences.

    Well, it is not respectful if you are patronizing or presumptuous, and neither is blaming the buyers saying "it's their own fault if they didn't read"

    So why not take your own advice?

    Personally, I think I have a right to be angry with the dongle, I bought it expecting to have a spare dongle to use when on the go, as the SX pro sometimes ends up dead/dried out. And I did NOT expect this dongle to ALWAYS be dead when I needed it, even though I tried charging it several times across the day while playing.

    So don't expect a disgruntled user who found the item they bought to be USELESS for their use case to be all smiles. Of course I'm mad, and on top of that, to be told it's my own fault for "not reading" when I DUTIFULLY read through the walls of text is NOT helping.

    This dongle is GARBAGE to me.
    It CANNOT hold a charge for longer than 15 minutes, and I am going to make sure everyone here who is interested in this item knows it before buying.
     
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  18. PiracyForTheMasses

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    yea man, capacitors should hold a charge for a decent bit of time, thats why its always recommended to discharge them with a screw driver or something before messing with them. This dude clearly has never messed with anything electrical.
     
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    Neither the Ace3DS webpage nor the first post mention anything about supercapacitors because it doesn't use them. It's clear enough that if the other brand which sells the same product offers a wrong description, that's their fault. If you buy the product from a seller or a brand which offers a tricky description you have a problem with them. Being objective, it's not a problem with the ones who have offered correct information about their product or the product they are talking about. So this is the last message I write related to this issue.

    Due to my knowledge area and hobbies I usually manipulate devices so I know what I'm talking about as it's risky if you manipulate them without taking care about safety. Normal capacitors cannot store enough energy for a long time to keep a device working as it's not their target.
     
  20. bundat

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    Even so, just because you said "it uses capacitors", that is not like a magic word you can use to say "that means it can't hold a charge".

    As I said:
    Anyway, referring to the AceNS brand directly, someone emailed XKit and AceNS, and it seems AceNS themselves have responded directly (if the said user can be trusted).

    This was the email sent:
    And this is the supposed response:
    I mean, that sounds neat and all, but then it sounds like the ones who bought the capacitor version are SOL.

    I really liked the RCMLoader too, it's smaller than most dongles (NS Atmosphere etc. only the SX Pro/Gear is smaller), drag and drop .bin payloads (no flashing software or .uf2 files), and multiple payloads.

    If it only held a charge...
     
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