Free services in Quebec, payable one everywhere else

tech3475 · Sep 25, 2018

Redhorse said:
I remember the days when internet was free .... Juno & Net zero.... Ahhhh those were the days....

Ugh, don’t remind me.

For my house in the late 90s, we only had the internet between iirc 6 and 8 in the evenings using dial up (if you could connect); so at 7:50 you panic trying to finish what you’re doing.

When we switched to AOL it was actually a god send in comparison.

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

tech3475 said:
Ugh, don’t remind me.

For my house in the late 90s, we only had the internet between iirc 6 and 8 in the evenings using dial up (if you could connect); so at 7:50 you panic trying to finish what you’re doing.

When we switched to AOL it was actually a god send in comparison.

I remember AOL, we got 3 free months, thats all the internet experience I had until I turn like 16
I also remember that you needed a password to connect to your modem/router

mituzora · Sep 25, 2018

See, my two cents on this is that I welcome free health care. I don't care if I have to pay extra on taxes. Everyone thinks that health care is given scott free in Canada, but in all actuality it's a tax. A tax that I would be more than welcome to pay for here in the states if they would go that route. I think it's ridiculous that I had to pay well over 2500 bucks just for an EKG machine and a solution to calm me down before I went into full on heart attack mode.

I get it, things cost, but that's what taxes are for. Again, I would gladly fork over some extra hard earned cash if it went for the well-being of our nation, instead of into greedy corporations' pockets. An example of that is when your city decides to build an entirely unnecessary baseball stadium, even though we have one. Its projected to cost around 100 million, and it's something that in my opinion, is a waste on tax money. I get it, we need stuff like this to make people happy, but 1, we have one, and 2, there are plenty of other projects that I would much rather put my tax money into.

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

mituzora said:
See, my two cents on this is that I welcome free health care. I don't care if I have to pay extra on taxes. Everyone thinks that health care is given scott free in Canada, but in all actuality it's a tax. A tax that I would be more than welcome to pay for here in the states if they would go that route. I think it's ridiculous that I had to pay well over 2500 bucks just for an EKG machine and a solution to calm me down before I went into full on heart attack mode.

I get it, things cost, but that's what taxes are for. Again, I would gladly fork over some extra hard earned cash if it went for the well-being of our nation, instead of into greedy corporations' pockets. An example of that is when your city decides to build an entirely unnecessary baseball stadium, even though we have one. Its projected to cost around 100 million, and it's something that in my opinion, is a waste on tax money. I get it, we need stuff like this to make people happy, but 1, we have one, and 2, there are plenty of other projects that I would much rather put my tax money into.

you know, that existed before Trump, it was called Obama Care
Pretty sure it was the same thing

Also, we all know it's not free, that we pay it with our taxes, we all know that

But there is a real problem with free health care, the abuse
seriously, tons of people go to urgency for a scratch on the knee
my mom once went to hospital because she had an allergy crisis
(She now takes injection once a month to control that)
but while she was waitting, she saw a mom with her kid
the kid was running around like any kids
His mom told loud enough : "Stop runing like that, what if your feet are broken?"
Like, WTF
Or someone else who went to urgency because he had a scratch of his leg and wanted to be sure it's not contaminated by gravel

I hope our next government (Quebec's election are on October 1st) will create the moderating ticket
In short, you'll have to pay 50-100$ (same amount for everyone) to go to urgency. If the doctor says "Nope, it wasn't an emergency at all" then they keep the money. Îf it was one, they give it back to you

mituzora · Sep 25, 2018

Noctosphere said:
you know, that existed before Trump, it was called Obama Care
Pretty sure it was the same thing

Also, we all know it's not free, that we pay it with our taxes, we all know that

But there is a real problem with free health care, the abuse
seriously, tons of people go to urgency for a scratch on the knee
my mom once went to hospital because she had an allergy crisis
(She now takes injection once a month to control that)
but while she was waitting, she saw a mom with her kid
the kid was running around like any kids
His mom told loud enough : "Stop runing like that, what if your feet are broken?"
Like, WTF
Or someone else who went to urgency because he had a scratch of his leg and wanted to be sure it's not contaminated by gravel

I hope our next government (Quebec's election are on October 1st) will create the moderating ticket
In short, you'll have to pay 50-100$ (same amount for everyone) to go to urgency. If the doctor says "Nope, it wasn't an emergency at all" then they keep the money. Îf it was one, they give it back to you

Nah, "Obamacare" or better yet, let's call it by its real name, the Affordable Care Act isn't everyone paying taxes for health care, it's a by-state stupidass healthcare network that best case, you can get cheap healthcare in a state that actually accepted the incentives. If you live in a state that denied the tax incentives, then you just have a website to show you what options you can choose, which most of the time is still out of reach. States like California? great, works pretty well(from what I understand). States like Kansas? it didn't do a damn thing but make you pay at the end of the year for not being able to afford the insurance. It also didn't force workplaces to offer cheap insurance like it was initially supposed to push for.

That being said, I like your idea of having a copay of like 50-100 bucks to go to an ER or urgency or whatever it's called, because that effectively causes a "is it worth the 100 bucks to go for a scratch" I do think this should be on a per visit basis, because what if you don't have any money and drop down on the floor with a heart attack. I mean, in that case it's pretty damn obvious it's an emergency lol

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

mituzora said:
Nah, "Obamacare" or better yet, let's call it by its real name, the Affordable Care Act isn't everyone paying taxes for health care, it's a by-state stupidass healthcare network that best case, you can get cheap healthcare in a state that actually accepted the incentives. If you live in a state that denied the tax incentives, then you just have a website to show you what options you can choose, which most of the time is still out of reach. States like California? great, works pretty well(from what I understand). States like Kansas? it didn't do a damn thing but make you pay at the end of the year for not being able to afford the insurance. It also didn't force workplaces to offer cheap insurance like it was initially supposed to push for.

That being said, I like your idea of having a copay of like 50-100 bucks to go to an ER or urgency or whatever it's called, because that effectively causes a "is it worth the 100 bucks to go for a scratch" I do think this should be on a per visit basis, because what if you don't have any money and drop down on the floor with a heart attack. I mean, in that case it's pretty damn obvious it's an emergency lol

exactly
One of the major problem here in Quebec is the lack of publicity about pharmacist, who often know better what to do with medecine and treatments than doctors at emergency (that's the word you say it was, right?)
I once had an infection to the mouth (apparently it was shroom on my tongue)(No i didn't have sex) I went to a clinic, at 6AM, to be among the first ones. Sadly, there was tons of people and I would have passed in 7 hours
We said fuck that, and then I though "I should try to go to pharmacist"
I went there, showed my tongue, 5 minutes later, i came out with a cream, and 2 weeks later, it was all gone

kevin corms · Sep 25, 2018

Noctosphere said:
So yea, there are services in Quebec that are free
But if you check everywhere else, you've got to pay for it

For exemple, water...
Here in Quebec, water is free, there are no meter for it on every houses
I'm aware that Quebec province possess the largest sources of drinkable water in the world
But I still don't think I could live somewhere where water isn't free

Also, free health and care service
Of course, that's a real problem here in Quebec
There are tons of people who goes to urgency for soooo minor problem
But still, I don't know how, in modern country, basic health and care isn't free

Of course, none of these are actually free in Quebec, we actually pay for these with our taxes, but still...

For exemple, my mom had a friend who went to France
She had an heart attack and had to go to urgency
luckily, she had travel insurances, because it would have costed her 185 000$ for this surgery

honestly, I don't know if I could live my whole life outside of Quebec

Its not free, its paid using taxes.

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

kevin corms said:
Its not free, its paid using taxes.

do you really think i dont know that?
seriously?

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kevin corms said:
Its not free, its paid using taxes.

just reread my post, i even said it in the OP lol

kevin corms · Sep 25, 2018

Noctosphere said:
do you really think i dont know that?
seriously?

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just reread my post, i even said it in the OP lol

I have no clue what the point of your thread is then.

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

kevin corms said:
I have no clue what the point of your thread is then.

read it again, you will

mituzora · Sep 25, 2018

Noctosphere said:
exactly
One of the major problem here in Quebec is the lack of publicity about pharmacist, who often know better what to do with medecine and treatments than doctors at emergency (that's the word you say it was, right?)
I once had an infection to the mouth (apparently it was shroom on my tongue)(No i didn't have sex) I went to a clinic, at 6AM, to be among the first ones. Sadly, there was tons of people and I would have passed in 7 hours
We said fuck that, and then I though "I should try to go to pharmacist"
I went there, showed my tongue, 5 minutes later, i came out with a cream, and 2 weeks later, it was all gone

I'm gathering that Urgency sounds like the Emergency Room unless, it's more like an urgent care station, which is essentially another fancy word for a higher-priced clinic. the ER is essentially the place you go to if it's a potential life-or-death situation, or something like a broken arm or something, you know an actual medical emergency lmao.

See, the thing is, clinic walk-ins suck here too, If the pharmacist that you're speaking about is the same as our pharmacist(literally someone sitting behind a counter filling out perscriptions) then you would still have to go to the clinic first to get the prescription for the cream, unless it was a simple over-the-counter cream, and even then, you would be waiting 30+ minutes to get help from the pharmacist because they're usually slow and busy helping all of the other people trying to get their perscriptions filled out.

kevin corms · Sep 25, 2018

Noctosphere said:
read it again, you will

Still dont, many other places have tax paid healthcare but places that dont usually have insurance options.

Noctosphere · Sep 25, 2018

mituzora said:
I'm gathering that Urgency sounds like the Emergency Room unless, it's more like an urgent care station, which is essentially another fancy word for a higher-priced clinic. the ER is essentially the place you go to if it's a potential life-or-death situation, or something like a broken arm or something, you know an actual medical emergency lmao.

See, the thing is, clinic walk-ins suck here too, If the pharmacist that you're speaking about is the same as our pharmacist(literally someone sitting behind a counter filling out perscriptions) then you would still have to go to the clinic first to get the prescription for the cream, unless it was a simple over-the-counter cream, and even then, you would be waiting 30+ minutes to get help from the pharmacist because they're usually slow and busy helping all of the other people trying to get their perscriptions filled out.

well, as i said, it took me 5 minutes, and no, im not exagerating, it really was that fast
Also, of course you need prescription for some medecine, but not all of them. The one I got didn't require it

And btw, there was a movement in Quebec from pharmacists
They wanted to be able to renew long term medecine prescription without the consent of psychiatrist or such doctor
If there are no change in medecine, we patients dont need to go back to their psychiatrist to renew them, which must be done every year

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kevin corms said:
Still dont, many other places have tax paid healthcare but places that dont usually have insurance options.

Read the very last phrase of the OP, thats one of the reason i created this thread

Pleng · Sep 26, 2018

leon315 said:
MAN, never underestimate the policemen's IQ and never take seriously all the shiiieet from Family Guy.

I've no idea what the reference to policemen's iq. It's ironic, however that you say not to take a clip from Family Guy seriously when you yourself are interpreting it literally. It was an attempt at pointing out the hypocrisy of laws that forbid you to pay for sex on a personal level, yet allow you to pay two (or more) people to have sex for a porn movie (and then sell it on, of course). They weren't *literally* suggesting that if the police raid you you can just say "we're doing a porno" and everything will be alright!

Noctosphere · Oct 11, 2018

I watch Michael hurricane at TV
I'm glad I live in Quebec again
In Quebec, all the hurrricanes we have are leftovers of usa's
The worse we get is like a tornado somewhere once or twice a year

Noctosphere · Oct 12, 2018

oh boy, just saw something on news
Apparently, in Quebec, for every 100$ people makes in overtime
well, 78$ goes to government...
thats totally crazy...

Pleng · Oct 12, 2018

That doesn't make any sense

Noctosphere · Oct 12, 2018

Pleng said:
That doesn't make any sense

well, we gives like, iirc, 55% of our salary to governmen
but I didn't know it was that much mopre for overtime

Pleng · Oct 12, 2018

It would be a very strange tax system to charge 78% based on the fact that you're doing overtime, regardless of what your base salary is.

I'd imagine that what you saw might have been saying that the top tax band is 78%... Though even then that seems extremely high

Noctosphere · Oct 12, 2018

Pleng said:
It would be a very strange tax system to charge 78% based on the fact that you're doing overtime, regardless of what your base salary is.

I'd imagine that what you saw might have been saying that the top tax band is 78%... Though even then that seems extremely high

nonono, 78% is for the average salary (middle class)

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