Hacking COMPLETED Xecuter SX OS Play Online titles using cert from another game

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We don't know, we might never know, we might know, who knows ?
*sigh*
The only other thing I can compare this to are the 3DS banwaves. While taking every known precaution, I injected certificates into my backups to play online. I had confirmation this was safe as there were no additional checks in place when going online with 3DS games. Was I ever banned? No. Could I have been banned? Yes. Now I don't know how many people were banned despite doing this, but we had data to support certain practices being safer than others.

Right now in the Switch scene, people are being banned for many reasons besides foreign certificates. Saying that injecting a foreign certificate is considered safer than using homebrew because less people have been banned is not only a fallacy but can give people the wrong impression.
 

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What are you talking about ? I haven't read anyone saying this.

Once I said that apparently there were a lot of bans related to layeredFS when someone said he got banned because he used a certificate so it might not be realted to the cert and in fact in his report he used LayeredFS.

How the fuck is this fallacy ? :D
 

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What are you talking about ? I haven't read anyone saying this.

Once I said that apparently there were a lot of bans related to layeredFS when someone said he got banned because he used a certificate so it might not be realted to the cert and in fact in his report he used LayeredFS.

How the fuck is this fallacy ? :D
Because that would mean everyone running LayeredFS should be banned which they are not. More people have been banned for using LayeredFS without using a foreign certificate than they have. And there are still plenty of people who have not been banned for using LayeredFS, more so than those who have been banned for using it. So at the very least, Nintendo is either banning randomly or through some frequent buyer theory (e.g. Nintendo takes mercy on those who stay online all the time, buying stuff on their eShop is a plus). No hack/homebrew is safer than any other modification, they are all equally ban-worthy.
 

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Because that would mean everyone running LayeredFS should be banned which they are not. More people have been banned for using LayeredFS without using a foreign certificate than they have. And there are still plenty of people who have not been banned for using LayeredFS, more so than those who have been banned for using it. So at the very least, Nintendo is either banning randomly or through some frequent buyer theory (e.g. Nintendo takes mercy on those who stay online all the time, buying stuff on their eShop is a plus). No hack/homebrew is safer than any other modification, they are all equally ban-worthy.
Has everyone running LayeredFS experienced a crash that would send custom error reports, though? I see your point, but it has a hole.. :x
 

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Because that would mean everyone running LayeredFS should be banned which they are not. More people have been banned for using LayeredFS without using a foreign certificate than they have. And there are still plenty of people who have not been banned for using LayeredFS, more so than those who have been banned for using it. So at the very least, Nintendo is either banning randomly or through some frequent buyer theory (e.g. Nintendo takes mercy on those who stay online all the time, buying stuff on their eShop is a plus). No hack/homebrew is safer than any other modification, they are all equally ban-worthy.
Do you realize that we actually agree ? We're not selling a panacea here, we're theorizing stuff and trying things. No one said he knows how to stay young forever.
Obviously if you hack something you risk getting banned and no one said something else.
 

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Has everyone running LayeredFS experienced a crash that would send custom error reports, though? I see your point, but it has a hole.. :x
I do ask everyone now to be specific when they submit their ban reports and I do see people getting banned when they say LayeredFS crashed, but a lot of the early reports don't specify this which is what the repository is also based off of so I cannot say yes confidently.
Do you realize that we actually agree ? We're not selling a panacea here, we're theorizing stuff and trying things. No one said he knows how to stay young forever.
Obviously if you hack something you risk getting banned and no one said something else.
If its for the sake of science and someone who doesn't care about online, then by all means experiment away and I accept that you're right. I just do not want someone who cares even the slightest for online play and eShop access to do this thinking its safe because people have not been banned yet. There are always threads for people asking how to get unbanned and while it would be useful, it could easily be avoided with the proper prefaces and facts so they know what they are getting themselves into rather than people's personal experiences.
 

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Guess so...

So, just to make a recap on which certificate is safe to use, donor gamecard must be:

1 - Same or greater size
2 - Same Type
3 - From an offline game

Anything else?

EDIT: for example, Breath of the Wild is 16GB, type 1, and doesn't have online functionality as far as I can tell, which makes it ideal for Type 1 games.

Lego The Incredibles is 16GB, type 2 and no online, which should make it ideal for Type 2 games.

I also wonder about this ideal donor cert status.

Do you all aggree with above message about the ideal cert conditions.
Should it be greater size, same type (1 or 2) and OFFLINE GAME?

I mean if this is all, i guess for type 1 the best donor games could be LA Noire or Zelda?
And for type 2 it could be lego incredibles?

Is that correct?

Because i thought an ONLINE capable game would be better as donor game for using cert? But as i see from some message, OFFLINE games are more suggested for using its cert.
 
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That's what we suppose yes.

Then again, it's not 100% safe.

I would also avoid using multiple games with same cert on a short amount of time.

Some could say that updating on OFW is also a bit safer.
 
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Guys just to report after major testing I have injected my wolfenstein cert in card 2 games all working online so far no ban been 3 days of testing

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Update:
Just got my games cert ban (Walfenstein II) error:2124-4025
Guess the issue is importing it to play Mario tennis aces since most of the games i tried before worked without errors
this game worked but when i tried SF collection it gave me the error, played RL, Fortnite (official eshop titles) and logged to eshop normally
so i think it's just a card cert ban
Did you inject your wolfenstein cert into card 1 games as well as card 2 also was wolfenstein a personal game you bought could be many reasons for your ban you need to tell us exactly what you did?

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That’s rubbish so he’s saying if 20 previous people rented the same game and 20 after but one person decided to rip the certificate for example then soon as they ban it and those 20 previous and after game online on the console with the same game they will all receive the same ban asap because it’s logged even on ofw I doubt it!
 
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Guys just to report after major testing I have injected my wolfenstein cert in card 2 games all working online so far no ban been 3 days of testing

Well, they mostly ban in waves and not instant if you look at how they handled the Pokemon Sun/Moon banwave...
You never know when the ninjas gonna strike or if theyll strike at all :ph34r:
 
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Console banned? Not yet. Flagged for a future ban? Most likely.

Nintendo is running a honey pot, like they did with early access to Sun/Moon (which I was dumb enough to fall for). I'm not making that mistake again.
Wow, I called everyone who fell for that "Sun and Moon Suckers" lol. Now I fear that I might be made fun of if I get switch banned. How the tables turn.
 

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Well, they mostly ban in waves and not instant if you look at how they handled the Pokemon Sun/Moon banwave...
You never know when the ninjas gonna strike or if theyll strike at all :ph34r:
Absolutely m8! Funny the ninjas seem to be striking in the us mostly I have noticed most bans are in the us.
 
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How about we all enjoy the online features while we still have it before the next ban wave? Jk bad idea. Keep your Switch's wifi connection off at all time even if you can inject a certificate on to a game and play it online with no certificate ban
 
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That’s rubbish so he’s saying if 20 previous people rented the same game and 20 after but one person decided to rip the certificate for example then soon as they ban it and those 20 previous and after game online on the console with the same game they will all receive the same ban asap because it’s logged even on ofw I doubt it!
Its better than banning all of the consoles associated with that certificate. If they don't ban it, then you risk letting people go online with backups just by dumping headers from used games without punishment aka you're justifying people to go online with backups. There is no defense to this. And to those who are affected by this as a side effect, Nintendo is not held responsible for the sale of used games. Also, considering that news media have already denounced hackers time and time again (i.e. SX OS, leaked DevMenu, bootrom exploit), I don't see them getting bad press for this either.

Absolutely m8! Funny the ninjas seem to be striking in the us mostly I have noticed most bans are in the us.
Austria, Brazil, France, Australia, but yes continue to believe that they have been concentrated in the US. It might not be crazy to think that the US has the one of the highest percentage of users on GBATemp.
 

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Guys just to report after major testing I have injected my wolfenstein cert in card 2 games all working online so far no ban been 3 days of testing

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Did you inject your wolfenstein cert into card 1 games as well as card 2 also was wolfenstein a personal game you bought could be many reasons for your ban you need to tell us exactly what you did?

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That’s rubbish so he’s saying if 20 previous people rented the same game and 20 after but one person decided to rip the certificate for example then soon as they ban it and those 20 previous and after game online on the console with the same game they will all receive the same ban asap because it’s logged even on ofw I doubt it!
Yes its my personal copy i imported its header to bunch of games type 1-2 played MK, BB, Doom then Mario tennis Aces after that tried SF collection and gave me the error when i tried to log online, went back to play MK same error occurred
 
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Yes its my personal copy i imported its header to bunch of games type 1-2 played MK, BB, Doom then Mario tennis Aces after that tried SF collection and gave me the error when i tried to log online, went back to play MK same error occurred
Sorry my friend, thats why you got banned, you injected a card 2 certificate into card 1 games and played for example mario kart 8 or even Doom online. You need to read> card 1 for card 1 games, card 2 for card 2 games never go online with card 1 in card 2 or card 2 in card 1 never mix it up, its asking for a ban.
 
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