Hacking Someone blow my mind... what is a hacked switch of the future gonna do?

The Real Jdbye · Apr 29, 2018

Josephvb10 said:
Not this time.

This time every console has a different TLS certificate that is used to authenticate every single request to Nintendo's servers. If they ban your certificate you won't be able to connect ever again. Console unique keys are stored in the fuses and can't be modified.

There's always a way.
The requests can be patched to use a certificate loaded from a file instead. Then you can use certificates from another console. Similar to how the private CtCert replacing thing works on 3DS, having it actually be coded into the CFW to patch the system on the fly to use a different CtCert.

Xenon Hacks · Apr 29, 2018

Honestly im more excited for PPSSPP if anything else

Astoria · Apr 29, 2018

The Real Jdbye said:
There's always a way.
The requests can be patched to use a certificate loaded from a file instead. Then you can use certificates from another console. Similar to how the private CtCert replacing thing works on 3DS, having it actually be coded into the CFW to patch the system on the fly to use a different CtCert.

This time Nintendo tracks everything your certificate is doing in their network. If you try to access some game's service that isn't linked to your console certificate it may get banned instantly.

Whole lotta love · Apr 29, 2018

synce said:
I'm just wondering if the thing can even run PS1 games at full speed. That would be enough reason to install CFW

N3DS would have had full speed PSX if the emulator was worked on a bit more, should be no problem on the switch assuming someone will do it.

Jayro · Apr 29, 2018

I wonder... Could someone theoretically take a 64 eMMC chip, and clone the 32GB one inside the Switch to the 64GB one, extend the partition using Linux, and have it working? We already know an eMMC from another Switch won't work, but if the data is a 1:1 clone, who's to say until it's tested?

V-Temp · Apr 29, 2018

The Real Jdbye said:
There's always a way.
The requests can be patched to use a certificate loaded from a file instead. Then you can use certificates from another console. Similar to how the private CtCert replacing thing works on 3DS, having it actually be coded into the CFW to patch the system on the fly to use a different CtCert.

If you got one cert banned, overlaying another will just get it banned all the same. And certs are finite and pre-determined, so who's going to honestly offer up their own cert to potentially and unaccountably get banned by XYZ numbers of people?

kje123 · Apr 29, 2018

Xenon Hacks said:
Honestly im more excited for PPSSPP if anything else

oh fuck, id forgot about ppsspp. finally ill be able to play persona on the switch

leonmagnus99 · Apr 29, 2018

B9Switch !!!!

DarthDub · Apr 29, 2018

Jayro said:
I wonder... Could someone theoretically take a 64 eMMC chip, and clone the 32GB one inside the Switch to the 64GB one, extend the partition using Linux, and have it working? We already know an eMMC from another Switch won't work, but if the data is a 1:1 clone, who's to say until it's tested?

But y tho? It's way easier, and cheaper, to use a microsd card.

guily6669 · Apr 29, 2018

DarthDub said:
But y tho? It's way easier, and cheaper, to use a microsd card.

Maybe because the main memory is WAY faster and its probably made to last more than a M-SD. In regards to loading time and texture loading, nothing beats the nand memory in comparison to the extended memory types M-SD or SD or whatever unless we can add a external fast SSD later with CFW...

Stwert · Apr 29, 2018

Jayro said:
I wonder... Could someone theoretically take a 64 eMMC chip, and clone the 32GB one inside the Switch to the 64GB one, extend the partition using Linux, and have it working? We already know an eMMC from another Switch won't work, but if the data is a 1:1 clone, who's to say until it's tested?

I’ve been wondering the same thing lately. To be honest, I don’t see why someone wouldn’t be able to come up with a way to replace the internal *eventually*.

guily6669 · Apr 29, 2018

First we probably need nintendo to upgrade to 64 GB, then maybe they will start selling 64GB nand boards on ebay.

Because just replacing the chip I don't have a clue if the 64GB memory chip has the exact same size and anyway thats something that most people won't just be able to do at home, it requires even more than "Tiny Soldering"

. I would never be able to desolder and solder a new memory chip, thats more for the reballing kind of people with the huge machinery...

Stwert · Apr 29, 2018

The board itself doesn’t require soldering, it’s easily replaceable. It certainly wouldn’t be difficult to recreate. Once there’s confirmation that it can be, I’d expect clone boards to show up in short shift.

Idaho · Apr 29, 2018

I expect dual-booting CFW/Linux with an unthetered exploit and having proper drivers for all the hardware on linux...

guily6669 · Apr 29, 2018

Stwert said:
The board itself doesn’t require soldering, it’s easily replaceable. It certainly wouldn’t be difficult to recreate. Once there’s confirmation that it can be, I’d expect clone boards to show up in short shift.

That's what I said buying a whole board, but they may only appear like on eBay when Nintendo also bring 64GB 4 Switch, else it will probably not likely appear.

Stwert · Apr 29, 2018

guily6669 said:
That's what I said buying a whole board, but they may only appear like on eBay when Nintendo also bring 64GB 4 Switch, else it will probably not likely appear.

I don’t think Nintendo have to do it at all. If we can get to the point where we can reliably clone the drives, then that should open the floodgates to make emmc boards of any capacity.

It all hinges on reproducing the drive from one to another. Once that’s done, the hardware is relatively simple to make. Whether Nintendo do it or not.

The Real Jdbye · Apr 29, 2018

V-Temp said:
If you got one cert banned, overlaying another will just get it banned all the same. And certs are finite and pre-determined, so who's going to honestly offer up their own cert to potentially and unaccountably get banned by XYZ numbers of people?

Yeah maybe. Though there are always going to be people willing to share their cert.

Jayro said:
I wonder... Could someone theoretically take a 64 eMMC chip, and clone the 32GB one inside the Switch to the 64GB one, extend the partition using Linux, and have it working? We already know an eMMC from another Switch won't work, but if the data is a 1:1 clone, who's to say until it's tested?

Not in the way you're suggesting, at least not yet. We don't have tools to access the encrypted filesystem yet. But yes, it'd be theoretically possible to upgrade the internal storage. IIRC the NAND chip is on a separate board, so in the future we may be able to buy boards with larger storage to simply swap out and flash our own backup onto, no soldering required. Might need some homebrew on the Switch side to actually extend the partition to use the extra space.

Justeego · Apr 29, 2018

I'm wondering about the potential of HD Rumble for something like Wiibrator

Stwert · Apr 29, 2018

The Real Jdbye said:
Yeah maybe. Though there are always going to be people willing to share their cert.

Not in the way you're suggesting, at least not yet. We don't have tools to access the encrypted filesystem yet. But yes, it'd be theoretically possible to upgrade the internal storage. IIRC the NAND chip is on a separate board, so in the future we may be able to buy boards with larger storage to simply swap out and flash our own backup onto, no soldering required. Might need some homebrew on the Switch side to actually extend the partition to use the extra space.

You recall correctly indeed. It’s actually a pretty plain and simple board too. Not hard to replicate at all, once the right software comes along.

tpax · Apr 29, 2018

Well, the most exciting thing is a backup loader. Play all those great game dumps you've made from all the games you own and spent hundreds of dollars on. Yeah, that's what really blovvs my mind. That's what I bought my Switch for.

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