New iPod Touch model released

KingVamp · Jul 16, 2015

Foxi4 said:
Garbage. Apple is the root of most problems we have with smartphones now - a lack of buttons, to name one. Buttons are those innocuous little things that allow you to interact with devices with tactile response and without turning the screen into a greasy cesspool of sweat and fingerprints as you tap-and-prey, hoping that auto-correct is more accurate than your thumb. Apple has set a poor industry standard - minimalism at the detriment of ease of use. Have you seen a phone with a slide-out QWERTY keyboard like HTC used to make recently? Dying breed in the sea of razor-thin slabs that always overheat and have low battery life because "thinner is better" - another stupid race in the industry, albeit one that started before Apple chimed in. Even if you don't like numpads or QWERTY, some basic controls would be nice. We used to have small joysticks on phones, remember those? Gone now, which is why smartphone gaming is mostly relegated to touch controls which always suck or external controllers which are always a pain.

You are right. I actually don't mind if the whole front was a touchscreen, and just have the buttons (home buttons included) on the side and back. I rather have a slide out game controls than a keyboard. We really do need more Xperia Play like phones in the world. Honestly, I think it's the companies that are messing it up. The idea itself is good, and I wish it would have caught on better.Phones don't need to get any thinner. In fact, I wouldn't mind if they get a bit bigger for battery life and simply a better grip.

Foxi4 said:
Thank god some other innane Apple standards didn't catch on, otherwise we wouldn't have removable storage or removable batteries either.

Shame, cause some Andriod companies are now trying to kill those too. I hope that's not the case.

Foxi4 said:
I maintain that if your phone has no removable storage and bends in your pocket, it's garbage, and this isn't even a phone.

To be fair, we don't know if this IPod will bend or not.

Swing said:
Why haasn't anybody mentioned the fact that they didn't give it the screen size of an iPhone 6? The only reason I was waiting for an iTouch 6 was so I could have a decent sized screen to play my PSP games. Guess I'll hafta stick with my iPad (I don't know how ppsspp can render PSP quality characters like a console character)

They probably thought most people would actually just use it as a MP3 or at least mostly. So they made it an easier to carry size. Maybe they will do a IPhone Touch +.

Foxi4 · Jul 16, 2015

OliverWinstontin said:
well if you don't want an Iphone it is a pretty good way to get into IOS, especially for your car as most 3rd party car stereos have full ipod integration, Android is hit and miss, windows phone is non existent. An iphone off contract starts like at $650. On contract still cost you $200. If you want to get into airplay or want connected devices Apple is the best, despite how much I want to dislike them.

Bluetooth communication is standardized when it comes to audio, and when it isn't, there's always AUX. It's not Apple that's the best, it's stereo manufacturers that placate Apple users due to a misconception that they constitute the majority of smartphone users, which they don't - Android is way, way ahead. The only reasonable argument so far is using iOS, and that reason isn't universal since iOS sucks.

To be fair though, Android and Windows Phone also suck, but what can we do about it? Stupid standards are standards nonetheless. Android's already been infected with the contagious disease of "preload everything" and "waste RAM by keeping programs in the background even though the user closed them", I'm sure it will be further spoiled in the future.

mechadylan · Jul 16, 2015

I remember buying a 5th gen iPod Touch mainly for exercising and it completely failed with running/biking apps (i.e. MapMyRun, Strava, etc.) that require the GPS feature that the newest iPod Touch at the time "supposedly" featured. I wound up dumbing down to an older, unactivated iPhone 4s with significantly better results. For whatever reason, the GPS on the 5th gen iPod Touch would geotag nicely on pics, but would leave erratic, criss-crossy paths that made the mileage run/cycled utterly useless on these and all other apps that I tried. I'm sure it's more of a hardware issue than a software one, so I'd be wary if I was considering this newest iPod Touch for what I originally thought that I was buying the 5th gen for. Hopefully, they've addressed this concern as it was a very popular topic of conversations on many of those app's boards, iirc.

the_randomizer · Jul 16, 2015

endoverend said:
Mostly for the price factor.This is way cheaper than an iPhone 6.

To have one Apple product cheaper than another is one helluva a feat

Apple products are all overpriced IMHO, and there isn't anything an Apple product can do that an another equally-featured and powerful device can't.

Another Apple product, another overpriced device that someone can get with the same functionality for half the price at least. The only reason Apple charges as much as they do is for the sake of the brand, brand loyalty. I've seen some Apple fans, not all, but some, who see other equal devices and any who own said devices condescendingly. Once more, only a small % of them do it from what I've seen.

Why should I get an Apple product you might ask? Because it's the brand? I once again reiterate that there's nothing compelling that you can do with an Apple product that you can't with another product, but this is purely my opinion and people are more than welcome to disagree to it

migles · Jul 16, 2015

so apple still makes theese?
on the first post it only says "it has everything that the new iphone has, but it isn't a phone"
can someone explain me who still buys theese? it's just a waste...

endoverend said:
It uses the A8 chip, the same chip as the one found in the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus

as you can see 200 is more than enough for buy an iphone (and i dont see them making an ipod for that price without a high profit margin) yet apple sells the same thing with phone functions for 4X more, i don't believe a 3g\4g chip and antenna is that expensive.. (contract bullshit doesn't count)

seriously, why someone with an iphone would buy another device that looks almost as exactly as their phone? you end up carry both?
yeah i know this way you can save battery on your iphone, but if the battery is that bad then you should open your eyes up and don't get that crap first

xdarkmario · Jul 16, 2015

the "i-heads" buy a iphone for music....kek
heres something crazy. androids play music too! and its easier then fumbling with memory boggling itunes. Not to mention that androids are cheaper and in some cases play music even better.
theres also the freedom of installing whatever you want. i could go on forever but lets not. Just my 2 cents...

roastable · Jul 16, 2015

I consider the iPod Touch an option mostly for music. Recently, I purchased a used 120GB iPod Classic because I wanted to have a majority of my music library on the go. The iPod Touch offers this same option nowadays with up to date music player options and Bluetooth (holy hell did it dawn on me how much I use it when my Classic didn't even have the feature).

As others have said in this thread, the experience is admittedly something that stands out from competitors. I did lots of research before purchasing my iPod Classic and there really wasn't anything that really came close to it in terms of all around convenience. In terms of storage, Android devices with external storage are technically up to par and even surpass it with flash storage, but audio quality and dependability leave something to be desired. I've found it a little sad that the audio output quality on the Classic outperformed the one on my One Plus One for example. Admittedly, there are EQ apps that can remedy the situation, but in my experience, DSP managers on Android have been somewhat hit and miss with the audio mods inexplicably not working sometimes. I've been hard-pressed to find dedicated music players that bring the best audio quality coupled with a good user experience, which i-devices excel at. The Sony Walkman is perhaps the best rival in this regard, but don't even get me started on it's price. Between the Walkman and an iPod Touch, the Apple devices wins hands down in two very crucial categories; it runs an up to date OS (iOS 8 vs Android 2.2) and is better-priced.

Moving on, iTunes and i-devices' compatibility with each other is one of the few things I think Apple can still be proud of these days; syncing media has never been easier on any other platform, in my experience. Part of the reason is thanks to the way iTunes indexes your music, making it easy to browse and also access the files directly if needed for Android (but you're missing out on automatic sync and other features this way). It's such a breeze to add songs to my iPod by just adding them to a playlist any time before I want to sync it, plug the iPod in and let the magic happen.

In conclusion, the only pro IMO to going away from Apple for music is expandable storage. But if you're looking to get a device that has expandable storage, a good user experience and good audio quality, be prepared to shell out just as much as, if not more than, an iPod Touch.

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Regarding the argument of going all out on an Android phone and using it for everything to save from carrying two devices, battery life becomes a major issue. I think that having a phone for just that and another devices for all your multimedia/Internet needs is ideal. With data, how much do you really use the "phone" components of your smartphone? Text-messaging is almost obsolete and there isn't really any essential interaction between the actual phone component of the modern smartphone and apps.

EDIT: Just as an example, I recently accidentally got myself in this exact situation with two phone plans (one with just talk and text and the other with unlimited data) and it has actually been great. Ironically, I've been using my One Plus One for all the features I said I'd use an iPod Touch for and an iPhone 4 as just a phone (mainly because I made myself essentially go broke on buying camera stuff), but I think my point about what to use devices for still stands.

Flame · Jul 16, 2015

I have Google music all access on my Nexus 6 with 4G data..

I win.

SomeGamer · Jul 16, 2015

Arras said:
Quick question since everyone here is like "this thing should exist it's useless": are there any media players for Android that can do the following?
1. easily give star ratings to songs while listening to them
2. dynamic playlists based on said ratings
3. sync said ratings back to whatever PC player I would use (currently using iTunes but anything that supports these features would work I guess)
4. preferably some PC song manager that has the ability to downconvert songs to a lower bitrate to fit more of them on (although I guess I could buy a bigger microSD, but the quality difference is inaudible through shitty smartphone audio + earbuds anyway)
5. pretty sure this should be somehow possible, but skipping songs by holding volume up/going back by holding volume down/play-pause by pressing both

Those are the main things I'd want out of something that plays music, and I'm not sure if there's any android equivalent that does all that. I can do it easily enough with iTunes.

Maybe this one?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.doubleTwist.androidPlayer

WiiCube_2013 · Jul 16, 2015

endoverend said:
FLAC's are not noticeably different from 256 VBR MP3's. It's science.

You can't be serious.

Nathan Drake · Jul 16, 2015

WiiCube_2013 said:
You can't be serious.

He's not kidding. If you use, say, a $70 pair of headphones, the only difference you may notice between FLAC and your more standard MP3 is purely placebo effect stuff. You expect it to sound better, so to you, it does. If you use the standard $20 headphones most people use, FLAC is good for little more than taking up way too much space anyways, but that's beside the point. It goes right along with the illusion that $700 audio cables are any better than $20 audio cables in terms of common myths purported by uneducated audiophiles.

MADKATZ99 · Jul 16, 2015

Why is it double the price just for more gig of memory??

It should hold more than 128 too, even my iPod classic I bought like 6 years ago has 120GB.

Apart from that, I think iPods are more aimed at kids who might not be able to afford an actual iPhone, or their parents don't want them to have a phone.

Tom Bombadildo · Jul 16, 2015

MADKATZ99 said:
Why is it double the price just for more gig of memory??

It should hold more than 128 too, even my iPod classic I bought like 6 years ago has 120GB.

The difference is your iPod classic uses a HDD, iPod Touches use flash storage. Smaller flash storage is still difficult to manufacture, so you have a choice between a bulky fat device or spending a dumb amount of money on bigger storage. Granted, the 128GB model is still dumb overpriced since you could get a 128GB MSD for just $100, but it at least...sort of explains why it's dumb priced.

computarman · Jul 16, 2015

I bought a bad IMEI Iphone 5 from a podcast simply to use as an ipod touch. It's better than the regular Ipod touch with better screen and camera etc. So there are some things that Iphone and Ipod touch can do that I cannot get Android to accomplish and they are;
1 Music Box app through Cydia allows the downloading of any song. MXtube allows you to download any Youtube video and you can watch or listen to the video and turn off the screen to save battery life. Finally, for me there is no better podcast App than the on built into the OS. It has automatic updating of the podcast and keep track of and removes the listened to episodes. Also the integration of the controls on the earphones allows easy play pause and fast forwarding through boring spots and commercials and adspots

Tom Bombadildo · Jul 16, 2015

computarman said:
I bought a bad IMEI Iphone 5 from a podcast simply to use as an ipod touch. It's better than the regular Ipod touch with better screen and camera etc. So there are some things that Iphone and Ipod touch can do that I cannot get Android to accomplish and they are;
1 Music Box app through Cydia allows the downloading of any song. MXtube allows you to download any Youtube video and you can watch or listen to the video and turn off the screen to save battery life. Finally, for me there is no better podcast App than the on built into the OS. It has automatic updating of the podcast and keep track of and removes the listened to episodes. Also the integration of the controls on the earphones allows easy play pause and fast forwarding through boring spots and commercials and adspots

All of those things can be done on Android? Music Box? You don't even need a dedicated app, you could just use a web browser...and you don't need to "jailbreak". You could use torrents, too, if you wanted. MXTube? There are dozens of Youtube downloaders on the Play store and off. The podcast thing is purely based on personal preferences I guess, but Android, again, has dozens of Podcast apps with the same features as the iOS one.

iOS is a nice mobile OS if you just want things to work, but it offers few features that Android doesn't already have or has had for years at this point.

Foxi4 · Jul 16, 2015

Tom Bombadildo said:
All of those things can be done on Android? Music Box? You don't even need a dedicated app, you could just use a web browser...and you don't need to "jailbreak". You could use torrents, too, if you wanted. MXTube? There are dozens of Youtube downloaders on the Play store and off. The podcast thing is purely based on personal preferences I guess, but Android, again, has dozens of Podcast apps with the same features as the iOS one.

iOS is a nice mobile OS if you just want things to work, but it offers few features that Android doesn't already have or has had for years at this point.

Thanks for using the literal bulletpoint from Apple's website, but the iPhone doesn't "just work" like people tend to say - it has its own share of problems, just like Android. I have a pair of Samsung-brand Stereo A2DP headphones and the only device that doesn't synch with them correctly is the iPhone. They work with my Vita, my PS3, numerous laptops, but not the iPhone for some reason. In addition, Apple users are hostage to iOS updates wheras Android users have a bunch of ROM's to flash if they ever run into issues - an iOS problem is rarely fixable in comparison.

filfat · Jul 16, 2015

I will have to get one of these to debug the iOS version of the service we're building let's hope they are too pricy to import one kidney should be enough.

sblast3 · Jul 16, 2015

- No buttons (External gamepads are so convenient right?)
- Restricted to app store
- Can't install other OSes
- No emulators (Until jailbreak comes out)
- No video games
- No MicroSD
- No replaceable battery
- Easily breakable (For the general public)
- Same as every other garbage apple device with no true upgrade aside from the camera

But wait! Once Ios9 comes out and rapes your old device you're FORCED to upgrade!!! Isn't that a great business model? (Yes it is because the American media brainwashes people by telling them Apple cell phones are great and wonderful and amazing)

Atari 2600 life span: Works 35+ years later along with the physical games
Modern cellphone life span: 1-2 years to view ios-locked apps like ebay that are nothing but text and pictures

Smuff · Jul 16, 2015

I still love my 5th Gen touch. Couldn't get on with music on my smartphone - too much of a battery killer. I like the convenience of being able to listen to music all day at work without worrying about my phone battery. Also I found none of the apps on Android to be quite as good.

I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means - the iPod touch is the only i-gadget I own. I just like the way it does its thing.

emigre · Jul 16, 2015

If we're listing Apple gripes, here's mine.

The bundled earphones are shit and leak. I fucking hate hearing other people's music on the tube.

Haaah-hahahaha!

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