Hacking Gateway 3DS "Firmware spoofing" and "multi-region"

johnnywalker · Aug 14, 2013

Ryukouki said:
That review was copy and pasted directly from Ds-Scene's Gateway 3DS Review

They just pasted their name at the end of it.

They are pirates

Boy12 · Aug 14, 2013

If they are working on homebrew, they can also make a multiple game menu i believe.
Nice work Gateway team!

Wiki'd · Aug 14, 2013

Quicksilver88 said:
Great response to my great reponse....lol. I agree with you fully on the PC....but it is sort of a sperate beast as a gaming platform because it is really viewed by most as not a gaming platform or used for that in a secondary fashion. Steam has been a mixed blessing but alteast they have found a way to 'compete' against nearly unchecked piracy (meaning no one really fights piracy on the PC like they do on the consoles). The success with steam though is tied to great pricing, ease of access and being all digital. The model will never really work for consoles/portables because the manufactures need their retail partners to sell and distribute hardware and so they can never fully cut them out of the software loop as that is where all the profit is made by all parties. This prevents digital content from really being priced as it should on the consoles.

I also fully agree with you on the Wii....motion controllers were interesting but other than a few casual entertaining games, I wasn't that compelled. What I liked was that by the end it had more control options like turning the thing sideways for platformers was brilliant and it was well implemented for racing games in Mario Kart and Excite Truck. Mostly I ended up liking games that used the pro controller like Last Story, Xenoblade, and 007. I actually think the gamepad is boss and what Nintendo is attempting to do with WiiU should work out....that is support lots of controller input with the gamepad, the pro controller and the wiimotes all seing support in various games. This gives consumers/gamers options that are not widely available or supported on other systems. I actually like/get the idea of using the gamepad as a second screen while using other controllers and for those that want it offTV is incredible. I don't think Nintendo will ever really solve their problems with 3rd parties.....it is too deep and too complex. As you said they haven't shown them enough love since the SNES (and even then they more bullied them then worked with them). But what you can't blame them for is making awesome games that consumers are going to purchase over/before 3rd party. I think the best hope is what they have been doing since gamecube which is coloborations (like f-zero on GC, SSMB and SMTxFW on Wiiu), exclusives (Like Tales of Symphonia or now the Sonic games agreement). They seem to work best with Japanese devs and can occassionaly pull off something special with Capcom, Sega, Namco, or Altus. I do think they should be kissing Ubi's ass as much as possible because that is about the only Western dev that wants to really suport them and I would love to see a Red Steele 3 HD and Zombie U2. In the end I don't think Nintendo really needs to compete agaisnt the Twins and I think they get that. They need WiiU to be known as the system were you can get unique experiences you can't find on any other platform. I think the HD curve really gave them trouble but this is Nintendo and I expect by this time next year WiiU will have a lot of cool exclusives that make it worth owning.

I think your other points on nextgen are about right...after the big flurry at XMAS I think one or both may suffer a little bit. Probably M$ because they have a higher price point, less exlusives, and can't even compete in Japan. Still just about every major multiplatform title for 2014 is coming to both systems, and current gen, and PC so many budget concious gamers will see no reason to upgrade.....plus they are basically going head to head with nearly the same damned hardware so they are going to be canabalizing each other.....meanwhile WiiU will be getting more and more exclusive content and should always maintain a price advantage.

Yes....we should probably go start a thread called Philosophical discussions on the physcological effects of piracy....lol.

I pretty much agree with nearly all your points, so I don't have much to add! But, maybe we should start a topic about piracy, more so about how marketers tend to blame and point finger at piracy and used games all the time, as opposed to their own incompetency.

Ryukouki · Aug 14, 2013

Wiki'd said:
I pretty much agree with nearly all your points, so I don't have much to add! But, maybe we should start a topic about piracy, more so about how marketers tend to blame and point finger at piracy and used games all the time, as opposed to their own incompetency.

That topic comes up all the time, and LOL it always goes straight to hell.

Vengenceonu · Aug 14, 2013

Ryukouki said:
That review was copy and pasted directly from Ds-Scene's Gateway 3DS Review

They just pasted their name at the end of it.

Lol they also gave it a 90 instead of the DS-scene's 70.

Ryukouki · Aug 14, 2013

Vengenceonu said:
Lol they also gave it a 90 instead of the DS-scene's 70.

Shit like that is why I vowed to be an honest reviewer. :/

Pedeadstrian · Aug 14, 2013

Ryukouki said:
Shit like that is why I vowed to be an honest reviewer. :/

I thought it was so you could get Gateway for free...

Ryukouki · Aug 14, 2013

Pedeadstrian said:
I thought it was so you could get Gateway for free...

I've never been about free things, actually. I take more pride in being able to help answer people's questions.

Sakitoshi · Aug 14, 2013

now I need one to play Project Mirai, since I doubt Sega would be so kind for release it outside of japan.

WhiteMaze · Aug 15, 2013

Wiki'd said:
I pretty much agree with nearly all your points, so I don't have much to add! But, maybe we should start a topic about piracy, more so about how marketers tend to blame and point finger at piracy and used games all the time, as opposed to their own incompetency.

You've said it all, my friend.

And don't be affraid to add game developers themselves to that.

It seems to be the "forbidden" word in this forum.

But they make mistakes and get greedy, like everyone else.

Quicksilver88 · Aug 15, 2013

WhiteMaze said:
You've said it all, my friend.

And don't be affraid to add game developers themselves to that.

It seems to be the "forbidden" word in this forum.

But they make mistakes and get greedy, like everyone else.

There seems to be a lot of problems in the industry and thats why I say piracy is the least of them.......I mean Square makes a perfectly awesome Tomb Raider game, it only sells about 4mil copies (which used to be a good thing), it is seen as a total financial failure (undertsandable I guess considering it released to PS3/X360/PC which is about 200mil gamers) and now there is a huge shakeup......meanwhie after finishing it and watching the credits apparently only oh like 200 people fricking contributed to making this game.....I don't even know how you iron this out because well for one thing a lot of Tomb Raider games have sucked over the last two genrations and this one is IMO GOTY worthy material, yet obviously they 'lost' money on the proposition. So good development, but bad business management and bad marketing. Also the plot in this game is really good and deserves to be made into a movie a lot more than any other Tomb Raider movie....so it seems like truly a 'mangement' issue. Meanwhile COD 885 and Madden 945 and even Angry Birds 324 just keep rolling out the same crap repacked year after year and are commercial succeses.....so is it devs, publishers, or an eroding intelligence amongst gamers (present company mostly exlcluded) that we have to blame for the state of the gaming world?

Rytoast · Aug 15, 2013

GorTesK said:
noone said, they were close to getting it to work on 5.X+ maybe they never will, right now it's impossible to say
but they found a way to play a 5.1 game on a 4.5 3ds, kinda like in the ps3 and psp scene, where people patched games to run on their lower cfw

Dude. They just put the Firmware Spoofing in Beta. That means that I'll be able to use the GW3DS on my 5.1. That's what I meant.

Vengenceonu · Aug 15, 2013

I swear people expect the gateway team to commit to their every little whim. Be happy you even have something as good as it is right now. If you want something better get up off your ass and do it yourself instead of bitching.

the_randomizer · Aug 15, 2013

Rytoast said:
Dude. They just put the Firmware Spoofing in Beta. They probably will, and it's possible to say.

Exactly, we can't rule out that possibility until they say otherwise. They wouldn't intentionally alienate potential customers who are on 5.x or newer firmware; it'd be bad for business

Obviously, it would impossible and unreasonable for them to do everything we want them to, especially all at once. The fact they've done as much as they have is awesome

Aqua1234 · Aug 15, 2013

the_randomizer said:
Exactly, we can't rule out that possibility until they say otherwise. They wouldn't intentionally alienate potential customers who are on 5.x or newer firmware; it'd be bad for business

Obviously, it would impossible and unreasonable for them to do everything we want them to, especially all at once. The fact they've done as much as they have is awesome

Yep, GW is making great progress. I can't wait to see the result. And I'm thinking that it would be in a long time as I expected. Anyways great work GW.

spiritofcat · Aug 15, 2013

Just to clarify for any people who don't quite understand, firmware spoofing allows the 3DS to fake the signs of being on a higher firmware version than it really is so that games that require a certain firmware version can be run without actually updating your firmware.

It has nothing to do with getting the GW3DS to work on machines that already have higher firmware versions.

spiritofcat · Aug 15, 2013

Oops, double post, sorry.

Aqua1234 · Aug 15, 2013

Hmm was thinking about this. Is it possible for other developers that are interested in copying the GW, do so. By ordering a GW and then trying to mimic the build quality/firmware? If so, that really does suck for GW.

the_randomizer · Aug 15, 2013

Aqua1234 said:
Hmm was thinking about this. Is it possible for other developers that are interested in copying the GW, do so. By ordering a GW and then trying to mimic the build quality/firmware? If so, that really does suck for GW.

I'd like to see them try to do that, make a clone, and then not have customer support when GW does. :rofl2:

Aqua1234 · Aug 15, 2013

the_randomizer said:
I'd like to see them try to do that, make a clone, and then not have customer support when GW does.

Well at the end of the day, most people would get the clone since it would be extremely cheaper than the GW. And that's what it all matters about. However, if they decide to make the price closely to GW. We all know which one will win

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the_randomizer · Aug 15, 2013

Aqua1234 said:
Well at the end of the day, most people would get the clone since it would be extremely cheaper than the GW. And that's what it all matters about. However, if they decide to make the price closely to GW. We all know which one will win .

What worries me about clones is the teams that make them will release it, and never update, leaving those who bought it stranded in a sense. That's what I feel about it anyway,

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