Microsoft Creative Director Comments on Always-Online

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Welcome to the 21st century, dear dinosaurs. B-)
Indeed. Welcome to the cyberpunk dystopia.

...and what do you do in the event of electricity getting cut?
Plug my consoles into a UPS :mellow:
Unfortunately, plugging one's console into one's porn stash doesn't count as "being online", so unlike power, the internet can't be substituted.
 

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Welcome to the 21st century, dear dinosaurs. B-)

By not having an Internet connection or having an unstable one, you're already missing out on tons of content. A lot of people out there actually own consoles for the sole purpose of competitive multiplayer and with Stand-by Mode and whatnot you're practically already Online non-stop - this only makes it "official". Sure, if you live in a rural village, sucks but we're already adapting to 4G technology world-wide, we're laying fiber optics all around the place and broadband prices are only getting lower as more providers enter the scene - pretty sure you'll find at least one even if you live in the middle of nowhere. Oh, and did I mention Streaming and other such services? Consoles these days are Media Centers, you really want them connected at all times.
Question is, what's their winnings with all this when they'll most likely only end up with a small group of butthurt consumers and some bad reputation?
 
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Question is, what's their winnings with all this when they'll most likely only end up with a small group of butthurt consumers and some bad reputation?
...and what if they don't? What if the service is so exceptional that it's worth it?

Shouldn't we wait for a confirmation, not to mention a presentation before we judge it? ;)

Online-All-The-Time is not a concept that appeard out of nowhere - it's the goal Internet connections have been progressing towards for a long, long time.
 

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  1. I suppose you're right, electricity isn't required for gaming either. After all, there are board games, right?
  2. Live patching? Updating in the background? Score boards? Server-controlled events making each playthrough different and exciting? Sky is the limit. And stop pulling out the Sim City argument, Sim City didn't work well because it was a broken and unfinished game server-side that was rushed into shelves.
  3. I never said it'd be a bad thing - what I said is that I can see where he's comming from. It's a lot like saying that electricity shouldn't be required for gaming - you can do that, sure, except you just don't want to.
Yes, in that case XBox Live Gold should become free entirely. A console should not be an equivalent of a subscription in my opinion - it's a material good and it should stay that way.

1. :huh: We're talking video games here buddy.
2. Again, games can and should have these options. But thats just what they should be, options. You want to have all that shit, go ahead, but why on earth can't it be an option to play without all that stuff? Video games have been fun for ages without all of that, just as they've been fun with all of it. Its the fact that this shit is required thats fucked.
3. Well I can see where he's coming from too, but I don't agree with it. If I want to play a game offline, if I'm visiting my grandparents who never bothered to get internet and bring my console with me, I should be able to play the damn thing.

We can disregard Sim City, I'll agree with you there, but the point still stands, this should not be a requirement, there is no reason Microsoft shouldn't continue doing what its doing with the 360, online and offline both options, to take away one of those would not be an improvement at all.
 

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So...

Cloud Gaming is the future?
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If the online services are a must, I hope they are free or at least low cost.
don't count on it
 
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Satellite Internetz, 3G/4G Modems and whatnot. :tpi:
3G/4G stops working during a power outage, and by the time the Durango comes out, all the satellites will have been shot down by North Korea :tpi:


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1. :huh: We're talking video games here buddy. //So in that case should we create a new branch of games that require the Internet? We haven't for pinball machines or other games that require electricity - we just call them "games". :P But yeah, I get ya, I was just saying that you do have the option of "getting entertainment" unplugged.
2. Again, games can and should have these options. But thats just what they should be, options. You want to have all that shit, go ahead, but why on earth can't it be an option to play without all that stuff? Video games have been fun for ages without all of that, just as they've been fun with all of it. Its the fact that this shit is required thats fucked. //I too think it should be optional since we're not on that level of technological advancement to enforce "Online-Non-Stop" but at the same time I understand the concept and the benefits of being Online at all times - I think it opens a lot of doors, it's not all negatives. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do server-side y'know.
3. Well I can see where he's coming from too, but I don't agree with it. If I want to play a game offline, if I'm visiting my grandparents who never bothered to get internet and bring my console with me, I should be able to play the damn thing. //One of those days you won't have to worry about - you'll just pull out your cell and tether a connection to your console and... oh, wait, we're already there. :tpi:

We can disregard Sim City, I'll agree with you there, but the point still stands, this should not be a requirement, there is no reason Microsoft shouldn't continue doing what its doing with the 360, online and offline both options, to take away one of those would not be an improvement at all. //If they include some fun stuff for those who are Online, I think I'd like to see where this takes us but yes, it should be optional.

(...) all the satellites will have been shot down by North Korea :tpi:
Let's hope they'll also shoot down the natural ones, including the moon. :tpi:

...also, local 3G/4G stations have backup power supply around here - I'm pretty sure about that. I've always had great reception during power outages. :P
 

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...and what if they don't? What if the service is so exceptional that it's worth it?

Shouldn't we wait for a confirmation, not to mention a presentation before we judge it? ;)

Online-All-The-Time is not a concept that appeard out of nowhere - it's the goal Internet connections have been progressing towards for a long, long time.
I'm not judging it or saying it will be like this, I'm only thinking about what the reasoning (from any company for that matter) would be behind such a mandatory online system? Of course it could be used nicely for things you already mentioned, but there would only be a handful of games that will make good use of it. Why make it a mandatory feature for every title on the platform? It's not like they win anything by doing so.
 

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Let's hope they'll also shoot down the natural ones, including the moon. :tpi:

...also, local 3G/4G stations have backup power supply around here - I'm pretty sure about that. I've always had great reception during power outages. :P

So you agree it should be optional (in reference to your responses within your quote of what I said). Then I'm confused by some of your rhetoric, but I'm glad we agree here, this is a poor choice on Microsoft's part. Should they go through with it, they will not have my money. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
 

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The Internet is slowly becoming a daily life commodity, much like electricity, gas and other media have ages ago. There will be a time, and this time will come soon, when it is embraced globally just like radio and television have been, people just need to embrace that idea first.
There is a difference between needing something to make something else work then putting something there just for sake of it. Unnecessarily.
That's like requiring all cans to need electricity to open. When some cans only need a tab to open.
(Can someone come up with a better one? :lol:)

By the way guys, I know reading is hard but I'm on your side - I think it should be optional but I can see where he's comming from with this, he's just more open-minded about the idea that Internet is an everyday life commodity that we should take for granted at this point and he's not afraid to say it.
Except the part when you was arguing the reason or at least the justification for it?
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind always online gaming, except for the fact of servers. (Think about that recent discussion of monster hunter tri, they're cutting the servers, 3 years in) What am I going to do when in, say, 10 years, I want to play an old Nextbox game, but I can't, because the servers are dead, therefore I can't play the game. At. All.
 

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If this is true (which it most likely is) I'll be going PS4 next gen (Vita power!).
Sony are already getting the majority vote for next gen and I can't really see what MS can offer up at their reveal to combat Sony.

I also posted this on GF yesterday and 90% of the responses were flat out denial: http://m.gamefaqs.com/boards/927749-xbox-360/65875886

The always on is obviously MS' anti piracy measure after 360 was so easy to hack and still use online.

Also lol Francis:


I'd love to know how many 360's his got through!
 

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If this is true (which it most likely is) I'll be going PS4 next gen (Vita power!).
Sony are already getting the majority vote for next gen and I can't really see what MS can offer up at their reveal to combat Sony.

I also posted this on GF yesterday and 90% of the responses were flat out denial: http://m.gamefaqs.com/boards/927749-xbox-360/65875886

The always on is obviously MS' anti piracy measure after 360 was so easy to hack and still use online.
Honestly, this kind of move gives hackers a reason to break the system. It's not like they have trouble breaking all the DRM on PC games, and with how popular the Microsoft brand is (and how hacked the 360 was), it'll only be a matter of time. That's not to say it'll be easy, but even the PS3 was broken after enough time.

And then the only ones inconvenienced are the actual consumers.
 

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They're basically asking their customers to go to other companies and not buy their own product if they're really stupid enough to force always-online consoles. Hell, not everyone even has internet.

Microsoft go home. Your stupid is showing.
 

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Welcome to the 21st century, dear dinosaurs. B-)

By not having an Internet connection or having an unstable one, you're already missing out on tons of content. A lot of people out there actually own consoles for the sole purpose of competitive multiplayer and with Stand-by Mode and whatnot you're practically already Online non-stop - this only makes it "official". Sure, if you live in a rural village, sucks but we're already adapting to 4G technology world-wide, we're laying fiber optics all around the place and broadband prices are only getting lower as more providers enter the scene - pretty sure you'll find at least one even if you live in the middle of nowhere. Oh, and did I mention Streaming and other such services? Consoles these days are Media Centers, you really want them connected at all times.
  • Except I have 2 3kW generators in my garage that will more than suffice to power every device in my house. Hell, many people nowadays have solar panels that do the job and don't need to rely on external power. 'The internet' is not something I can store as a backup in my garage.
  • Also, my electricity rarely cuts out anyway.
  • My internet connection is only 8Mb/s (and is looking to stay that way until at least 2015 at the earliest) and I don't constant pinging between my console and MS' servers slowing down my torrents even more.
  • In relation to the point above, while my brothers are both playing on their nextboxes at the same time they will both be affecting my already 40-120 ms ping in online PC gaming, just because they are playing offline Minecraft or w/e.
  • There's no NEED for always online DRM. Sure extra features / scoreboards etc. are nice but why not have that optional (as many games already do)? It's not the end of the world if I can't see that my friend beat me by 2 seconds on the level I just finished.
  • Obviously Microsoft's biggest incentive to introduce this is to prevent piracy and appeal to 3rd party devs. But as we have seen in the past (Assassin's Creed etc.) this doesn't even work and just pisses a load of people off.
  • What happens in 10-20 years time when the servers are switched off or if Microsoft went under (however unlikely it may be)? All of a sudden my hundred of £s game collection become worthless.
 

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Welcome to the 21st century, dear dinosaurs. B-)

By not having an Internet connection or having an unstable one, you're already missing out on tons of content. A lot of people out there actually own consoles for the sole purpose of competitive multiplayer and with Stand-by Mode and whatnot you're practically already Online non-stop - this only makes it "official". Sure, if you live in a rural village, sucks but we're already adapting to 4G technology world-wide, we're laying fiber optics all around the place and broadband prices are only getting lower as more providers enter the scene - pretty sure you'll find at least one even if you live in the middle of nowhere. Oh, and did I mention Streaming and other such services? Consoles these days are Media Centers, you really want them connected at all times.
I don't use my 360 as a media center. I use it to play Forza 4. I don't even play online and couldn't care less. My brother used to play Halo 4 online but just recently the game series has died according to him. I don't care for streaming on my 360 either. I also do not want my console connected at all times.
 

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