Hacking About the 3DS roms dumpted out by LGC

ccfreak2k said:

Fishaman P said:

The ROMs are probably encrypted for anti-piracy measures, and the (unreleased) loaders the dumpers are using can most likely decrypt in real time.

Click to expand...

Are you telling me they've already found the key or otherwise coerced the 3DS into spewing decrypted data?

Click to expand...

Fishaman P said:

The ROMs are probably encrypted for anti-piracy measures, and the (unreleased) loaders the dumpers are using can most likely decrypt in real time.
Probably no working emulators, just on modified 3DS'.

Click to expand...

Amber Lamps said:

opcode32 said:

Amber Lamps said:

I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

The word "sale" might be why they were interested to share.

QUOTE(Amber Lamps @ Jun 6 2011, 11:59 PM) That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

Click to expand...

I doubt that a group that has put out hundreds of working releases on the DS and probably well more then a thousand releases on other console platforms would need to start doing fake releases now. They have been around for ages, so i am gonna take their word for it. But i've you are indeed so well versed, you probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows them. After all quite a few of their members were involved in more then one of the groups you mentioned.

Click to expand...

Granted that Lightforce wanted to sell me the hardware to make money did make sense as well as it was inflated in price however due in part to said hardware becoming scarce for the custom built PC market. I would assume that such drives are 100% impossible to find (at least new) now.

He did give me the information of model names / numbers and anything else that I needed to know about the drives.

But back on subject, haven't we seen this enough already in the DS as well as the PS3 scene (*cough*gag*Paradox*coughs again*). It has become rather old not to mention childish. Perhaps it is yet another group run by fresh out of high school students anyhow which was typical as of then (c.end 1998, but beginning of GBC scene)

Anyway who wants to play the titles they released already? I'm perfectly fine supporting the software developers whom are actually deserving of their own ego due to the fact that not only did they make it all the way through and finish college with some sort of computer science degree, but they also landed themselves jobs that net them upwards of $100k+ per year as well as quite probably support families of their own with the paychecks received from developing and eventually publishing these video games that the 'LFC' group has so halfheartedly claimed fame to today.

I rest my case.

Click to expand...

hunter291 said:

Hi everyone said:

it's LGC. not LFC.

Click to expand...

Legacy and Lightforce are two different groups.

Click to expand...

opcode32 said:

Amber Lamps said:

opcode32 said:

Amber Lamps said:

I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

The word "sale" might be why they were interested to share.

QUOTE(Amber Lamps @ Jun 6 2011, 11:59 PM) That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

Click to expand...

I doubt that a group that has put out hundreds of working releases on the DS and probably well more then a thousand releases on other console platforms would need to start doing fake releases now. They have been around for ages, so i am gonna take their word for it. But i've you are indeed so well versed, you probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows them. After all quite a few of their members were involved in more then one of the groups you mentioned.

Click to expand...

Granted that Lightforce wanted to sell me the hardware to make money did make sense as well as it was inflated in price however due in part to said hardware becoming scarce for the custom built PC market. I would assume that such drives are 100% impossible to find (at least new) now.

He did give me the information of model names / numbers and anything else that I needed to know about the drives.

But back on subject, haven't we seen this enough already in the DS as well as the PS3 scene (*cough*gag*Paradox*coughs again*). It has become rather old not to mention childish. Perhaps it is yet another group run by fresh out of high school students anyhow which was typical as of then (c.end 1998, but beginning of GBC scene)

Anyway who wants to play the titles they released already? I'm perfectly fine supporting the software developers whom are actually deserving of their own ego due to the fact that not only did they make it all the way through and finish college with some sort of computer science degree, but they also landed themselves jobs that net them upwards of $100k+ per year as well as quite probably support families of their own with the paychecks received from developing and eventually publishing these video games that the 'LFC' group has so halfheartedly claimed fame to today.

I rest my case.

Click to expand...

You make alot of unfounded assumptions. Do you realize how much skill it takes to reverse engineer a system without pretty much any info? I doubt some highschool dropout would be able to do that. You need YEARS of reverse engineering experience AND the right equipment (which isn't cheap) to do that. Do you actually realize how many ex-crackers are employed at IT security companies and what absurd amounts of money they get paid? Maybe they are some egoistic foos, but rightly so imho, because the skills they posses are so rare that only very few could do what they do. And why would they own anyone? They cracked the system on their own time, so they can do whatever they want with the info they got. Why don't you just get a 101 in electronics engineering and show them how it's supposed to be done?

P.S. I earn more then $150k a year and can neither program a game nor crack one. You don't really need to be smart to earn shitloads of money, just being rutheless helps alot.

Click to expand...

Amber Lamps said:

Anyway who wants to play the titles they released already? I'm perfectly fine supporting the software developers whom are actually deserving of their own ego due to the fact that not only did they make it all the way through and finish college with some sort of computer science degree, but they also landed themselves jobs that net them upwards of $100k+ per year as well as quite probably support families of their own with the paychecks received from developing and eventually publishing these video games that the 'LFC' group has so halfheartedly claimed fame to today.

I rest my case.

Click to expand...

opcode32 said:

Amber Lamps said:

opcode32 said:

Amber Lamps said:

I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

The word "sale" might be why they were interested to share.

QUOTE(Amber Lamps @ Jun 6 2011, 11:59 PM) That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

Click to expand...

I doubt that a group that has put out hundreds of working releases on the DS and probably well more then a thousand releases on other console platforms would need to start doing fake releases now. They have been around for ages, so i am gonna take their word for it. But i've you are indeed so well versed, you probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows them. After all quite a few of their members were involved in more then one of the groups you mentioned.

Click to expand...

Granted that Lightforce wanted to sell me the hardware to make money did make sense as well as it was inflated in price however due in part to said hardware becoming scarce for the custom built PC market. I would assume that such drives are 100% impossible to find (at least new) now.

He did give me the information of model names / numbers and anything else that I needed to know about the drives.

But back on subject, haven't we seen this enough already in the DS as well as the PS3 scene (*cough*gag*Paradox*coughs again*). It has become rather old not to mention childish. Perhaps it is yet another group run by fresh out of high school students anyhow which was typical as of then (c.end 1998, but beginning of GBC scene)

Anyway who wants to play the titles they released already? I'm perfectly fine supporting the software developers whom are actually deserving of their own ego due to the fact that not only did they make it all the way through and finish college with some sort of computer science degree, but they also landed themselves jobs that net them upwards of $100k+ per year as well as quite probably support families of their own with the paychecks received from developing and eventually publishing these video games that the 'LFC' group has so halfheartedly claimed fame to today.

I rest my case.

Click to expand...

You make alot of unfounded assumptions. Do you realize how much skill it takes to reverse engineer a system without pretty much any info? I doubt some highschool dropout would be able to do that. You need YEARS of reverse engineering experience AND the right equipment (which isn't cheap) to do that. Do you actually realize how many ex-crackers are employed at IT security companies and what absurd amounts of money they get paid? Maybe they are some egoistic foos, but rightly so imho, because the skills they posses are so rare that only very few could do what they do. And why would they own anyone? They cracked the system on their own time, so they can do whatever they want with the info they got. Why don't you just get a 101 in electronics engineering and show them how it's supposed to be done?

P.S. I earn more then $150k a year and can neither program a game nor crack one. You don't really need to be smart to earn shitloads of money, just being rutheless helps alot.

Click to expand...

tranfeer said:

How does LGC run these ROMS? By emulators?Given the mention and picture of hardware, I assume it's hardware.

Everybody's always wanting and wondering about free softmod hacks or plug-and-play solutions, but the first real shit is done in hardware. Most people don't know how damn easy it is to mess with a machine once you start fucking with the hardware. The thing is home-made hardware mods can't be easily downloaded or sold and are mostly for experimentation purposes, so they're hard to distribute and there's no real reason to.

tranfeer said:

The emulator decrypt these roms in real time?

It sounds impossible.http://www.truecrypt.org/
A free program that can do full-drive encryption and decryption in realtime, optionally running it through three encryption algorithms.

Pong20302000 said:

why new one

just needs to have a flashable bootloader

3DS games load in the same wayBandwidth. Slot-1 on the DS has crappy throughput, and I see no reason for Slot-1 flash carts to be built to considerably higher specs than needed, considering how cheaply they're sold for. This is not concrete, but I do not have my hopes up at all.

ChaosZero816 said:

Only a couple of months. I was expecting at least 1 year until we get something. Hmmm.PS3 discs were dumped pretty early, but were not playable (on retail systems) for ages.

QUOTE(hergipotter @ Jun 6 2011, 11:00 AM)

Click to expand...

Couldn't you build a cartridge with an EPROM?

Click to expand...

An issue would be getting the 3DS to boot it, but once you've got the ability to run code you can start trying to map out the 3DS from the inside out or whatever.

QUOTE(opcode32 @ Jun 7 2011, 01:23 PM)

Click to expand...

Do you realize how much skill it takes to reverse engineer a system without pretty much any info? I doubt some highschool dropout would be able to do that. You need YEARS of reverse engineering experience AND the right equipment (which isn't cheap) to do that.

Click to expand...

Hi everyone said:

hunter291 said:

Hi everyone said:

it's LGC. not LFC.

Click to expand...

Legacy and Lightforce are two different groups.

Click to expand...

thank you for repeating what i said. it was, however, not necessary.

Click to expand...

Slyakin said:

Wait wait wait... I haven't been following the thread, but after reading Rydian's post, does Legacy have means of running the dumped 3DS roms?

Click to expand...

Ghork said:

Not that I'm following all of this... but when I searched "LGC 3ds" I find roms, why would there be roms if no one but LGC can use them?

Click to expand...

TheDreamLord said:

Trying to break these .3ds files :/ failing miserabley.... Does anyone thinks it will be possible to play these on dslite using a 3ds cart? Without 3d of course

Click to expand...

TheDreamLord said:

Trying to break these .3ds files :/ failing miserabley.... Does anyone thinks it will be possible to play these on dslite using a 3ds cart? Without 3d of course

Click to expand...