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BeefBoy46 said:
Hello again, I was wondering if I need to update a ps3 form version 4.66 to 4.92 to use ps3 toolset?
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Yep, the earliest supported FW is 4.75, so it's the same to update to 4.92. Nothing is gained staying at 4.66 and nothing is lost updating to 4.92.
 
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lwiz said:
Yep, the earliest supported FW is 4.75, so it's the same to update to 4.92. Nothing is gained staying at 4.66 and nothing is lost updating to 4.92.
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Thanks, man. My ps3 is coming friday and i was just looking in to finding some backups to use when it arrives and i softmod it, but the Im using is a 4tb HDD and I seem to not be able to format it into fat32 due to the limit be 2tb, tho i seen ppl talking about getting 3 and 4tb drives on fat32 but i am not sure how to, wondering if anyone could provide any insight into this.
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lwiz said:
Yep, the earliest supported FW is 4.75, so it's the same to update to 4.92. Nothing is gained staying at 4.66 and nothing is lost updating to 4.92.
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Also if i install games on an external drive, does it matter what format they are in inside of the GAMES folder, cause i have found games in iso format and folders, but im not sure if i have to convert them into iso's or smth else
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Thanks, man. My ps3 is coming friday and i was just looking in to finding some backups to use when it arrives and i softmod it, but the Im using is a 4tb HDD and I seem to not be able to format it into fat32 due to the limit be 2tb, tho i seen ppl talking about getting 3 and 4tb drives on fat32 but i am not sure how to, wondering if anyone could provide any insight into this.
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Also if i install games on an external drive, does it matter what format they are in inside of the GAMES folder, cause i have found games in iso format and folders, but im not sure if i have to convert them into iso's or smth else
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Also also, does multiman even need fat32 or can it use NTFS?
 
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BeefBoy46 said:
Also if i install games on an external drive, does it matter what format they are in inside of the GAMES folder, cause i have found games in iso format and folders, but im not sure if i have to convert them into iso's or smth else

Also also, does multiman even need fat32 or can it use NTFS?
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ISOs go to PSxISO folders, folder format ones usually into GAMES. Both should be usable without any conversion. Dunno about Multiman (not sure if it's even developed anymore) as Webman mod or ManaGunz does all I need - and both should support NTFS natively. TBH only used internal drive on my PS3's, but Webman mod has NTFS support built in, might need installing in full mode though (IIRC pressing L1+R1 while starting and doing the install).
 
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lwiz said:
ISOs go to PSxISO folders, folder format ones usually into GAMES. Both should be usable without any conversion. Dunno about Multiman (not sure if it's even developed anymore) as Webman mod or ManaGunz does all I need - and both should support NTFS natively. TBH only used internal drive on my PS3's, but Webman mod has NTFS support built in, might need installing in full mode though (IIRC pressing L1+R1 while starting and doing the install).
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so the best option would just be getting a 1tb ssd, putting it in the ps3 and using ftp?
 
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BeefBoy46 said:
so the best option would just be getting a 1tb ssd, putting it in the ps3 and using ftp?
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That's how I do my setups, but YMMV - some people claim spinners are more reliable than SSD's on PS3, so maybe safer getting "traditional" 1Gb drive instead of SSD if going that route. (Haven't yet gotten time for trying to set the s-bit for PS3 SSD and checking what happens.)

Can't really give you answers written in stone as all of us have different needs - for me 1Tb is more than plenty and I don't remove much stuff from my SSD's. For your use case everything might be different. You might like Multiman or Managunz instead of Webman mod unlike me. Play with the system, try different loaders etc. and find your way of enjoying PS3 and what it has to offer :)
 
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That's how I do my setups, but YMMV - some people claim spinners are more reliable than SSD's on PS3, so maybe safer getting "traditional" 1Gb drive instead of SSD if going that route. (Haven't yet gotten time for trying to set the s-bit for PS3 SSD and checking what happens.)

Can't really give you answers written in stone as all of us have different needs - for me 1Tb is more than plenty and I don't remove much stuff from my SSD's. For your use case everything might be different. You might like Multiman or Managunz instead of Webman mod unlike me. Play with the system, try different loaders etc. and find your way of enjoying PS3 and what it has to offer :)
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thanks, i ordered a 1tb hdd to install today, and i think im all set
 
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zfreeman said:
Into the dev_hdd0/PS2ISO folder.
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Is there a way to copy the ISOs via Mutliman or something similar? As I have a NTFS formatted HDD with the Isos and Multiman seems not to recognize the HDD. FTPing would take ages for me.

I have WEBMANMOD installed and runningüp.ßß
 
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Been getting a lot of mixed opinions from all over the internet... so to clarify do all CECH-25xx slims ship with a MinVer of 3.56 or is there a VERY small possibility that it can have a MinVer of 3.60? Really new to this so I'm also not sure if MinVer 3.56 consoles can install CFW...
 
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Buying 25xx blindly is really matter of luck. The only sure way of checking the CFW compatibility is running minverchk or bgtoolset on the unit. On Euro models datecode can help, but even then there is slight possibility of the unit being refurbished one. Of course, there is always the HEN option.
 
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Buying 25xx blindly is really matter of luck. The only sure way of checking the CFW compatibility is running minverchk or bgtoolset on the unit. On Euro models datecode can help, but even then there is slight possibility of the unit being refurbished one. Of course, there is always the HEN option.
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Thank you! I will try and look for 21s or 20s instead! HEN sounds great but are there any real differences between CFW and HEN except when talking about HEN needing to be reactivated every boot?
 
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Thank you! I will try and look for 21s or 20s instead! HEN sounds great but are there any real differences between CFW and HEN except when talking about HEN needing to be reactivated every boot?
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If you're just looking for the basics - ripping/playing back-ups, some control over the system, FTP, etc - both do the same thing. CFW allows for some low-level control and swapping between consumer and developer firmware versions, but to my knowledge they essentially serve the same purpose, with HEN requiring a few more clicks and flicks of the thumbstick/Dpad to activate.

Currently have a 25xx running HEN; it survived a full rebuild of the file system, so even if your drive craps out its still in there and just needs to be reactivated.

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On the note of SSD vs HDD: the speed difference during play is marginal, if its even noticeable, when loading straight off the internal drive, and depends heavily upon the game itself and the properties of the drive being used. When reading data, the HDD will be slower, but only marginally (several seconds to ~30s on very large games), and certainly much faster than the aging Bluray drives. The main difference between them is when writing data; while the hard drive has to find sectors on platters to put the data being written to it, the SSD can perform writes much, much faster electronically. Also SSDs don't suffer from jostling, so if the family cat knocks over the system it'll likely be fine

Cost-wise, HDDs are about the same as even quality SSDs now below 4TBs, so that is no longer a factor.

However, longevity is still an on-going question. While HDDs have statitstics to back up their reliability, SSDs are still being tested for how long they can last (chonologically, not write times); there's always stories on both sides for one or the other giving out early, so that's mostly a moot point. The issue in SSDs where overwriting sectors eventually causes them to break down and become unusable (thereby diminishing the amount of actual space and making the drive unstable) remains as well, but it becomes less of an issue the larger they are. And while drive corruption happens on both, it seems like SSDs may be more prone to failing when put into storage for more than a few months between usage, while HDDs can be reliably put away for a year or more (albeit not indefinitely) witout serious data loss. But again, there's a lack of data on that.

However, the drive size limitation remains a big sticking point - while I can slap a 2TB or larger drive into a modded Xbox 360 and it just accepts it, Sony's file system does not like drives above 1TB for whatever reason (yes I have heard about people using 1.5TB drives "safely", but it remains hit or miss more often than not). Linux was still up-and-coming and it seems like Sony used their own proprietary file system, wherein they did not anticipate anyone using a drive larger than 1TB (which was admittedly humongous in 2007). This is guesswork, but it makes sense, however much it irks me to admit so.

In conclusion, if you're unsure it may be best to stick with a spinny drive, but it can be a matter of opinion. If you're impatient, get a high-quality SSD, like a Samsung EVO or PRO. Either way, the max size is 1.5TB if you're feeling adventurous, 1TB if you want it to be reliable and not risk crashing.
 
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Hippocampus_Hamster said:
...Sony used their own proprietary file system, wherein they did not anticipate anyone using a drive larger than 1TB (which was admittedly humongous in 2007). This is guesswork, but it makes sense, however much it irks me to admit so.
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Actually Sony used most if not all of the FreeBSD 9.0 UFS2 with encryption alongside with FBSD kernel on PS3. Unless Sony ripped the TRIM support off it should be there and in that case work when setting the drive S-bit. Something I've been planning to test but first need to do some swapping around in order to make my 2501 the daily driver and my old phat more or less dev/test machine.

Been happy with reliable brand SSD's myself - so far, but spinners could be still the more reliable alternative. "Could" as there is no definitive data on SSD reliability on PS3's. In any case having at least backups on stuff you do not want to lose (including save backups made with Apollo!) as any drive can keep going for ages without issues or fail suddenly.

Although never personally used HEN, the differences for most users are minor based on this list, except the need for re-enabling HEN every boot.
 
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Got an odd situation. My old PS3 died over ten years ago, which was cool. I actually found all my backed up save files today - thought I lost them forever. They look as though they were copied from the hard drive itself. Question: How would I convert these to my recent PS3? It looks like I had a PS3 save game convert tool in the past.
 
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TPMJB said:
Got an odd situation. My old PS3 died over ten years ago, which was cool. I actually found all my backed up save files today - thought I lost them forever. They look as though they were copied from the hard drive itself. Question: How would I convert these to my recent PS3? It looks like I had a PS3 save game convert tool in the past.
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You need a hacked PS3 and Apollo Save Tool for PS3.
 

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