The Pokemon Company makes official statement regarding Palworld

Xzi · Jan 25, 2024

Sir Tortoise said:
To be more specific, he scaled the models to be the same size. This is tweaking a single value and does aid comparison. In the event of the Palworld models actually being based on the Pokémon models, Palworld then shrinking or enlarging the final model by x% is a pretty trivial step and this just undoes it.

Like, if someone stole someone else's animation, made some edits on top, and sped it up 25%, it wouldn't be weird to reverse that for comparison to see how they otherwise line up.

Oh okay, that's not so bad, though it could still be misleading. For example, Palworld's "Pikachu" is more like a cross between Electabuzz and Pikachu, and its size is reflective of that. Shrinking it down to compare it would be disingenuous. Actually, now that I think about it, the closest thing the game has to Pikachu is a cat.

Seems he did at least apologize for the misleading comparisons, so I shouldn't be too harsh on him.

thunderboy17 · Jan 25, 2024

SylverReZ said:
The Pokemon Company speaks like Nintendo. They probably asked AI to generate a statement lol.

what were they supposed to say then? "Wassup y'all, it's ya bois, the Pokémon Company. This Palworld homies acting kinda sus huh? We're gonna vibe check them and see if they're cringe, or based. Peace y'all, and remember: Pokémon goes hard."

DuoForce · Jan 25, 2024

Palworld > Pokemon

I've had so much more fun with Palworld than I have any Pokemon game since Gen 6 onwards (except Legends)

Guacaholey · Jan 25, 2024

This is relevant: https://kotaku.com/pokemon-palworld-comparison-models-plagiarism-ai-1851192901

The guy making the comparisons between models claims stuff was only scaled, despite Palworld models having different features.

Even the super close ones, like the Lycanroc comparison show that they didn't just scale and use Pokémon models because the ears, fur, and tail are different.

I can totally see them using Lycanroc as a reference, since Lycanroc itself is basically a cartoon wolf. But calling it copyright infringement or plagiarism is incredibly inaccurate, if not objectively false. (I don't know the bar for plagiarism, but they haven't been shown to have actually included any assets belonging to Game Freak, TPCi, Creatures Inc., or Nintendo).

The more I look at what was posted by the guy making the comparisons, the more it seems like he's making up BS. There's a tweet where he claims there's a Salazzle hidden under the mesh for the pink Salazzle-like Pal and pulls it out in Blender, which he definitely didn't just put there to push his narrative. He hasn't shown the actual wireframes in the comparison where he shows both, and the stuff where he does compare the two monsters aren't identical.

Xzi said:
"Investigate" all you want Nintendo, no reasonable judge is going to call anything in the game infringement. If they really thought there was a case there, they would've taken legal action when streamers started playing it several weeks before the release of early access. They're just angry about its success.

It's fun almost to the point of being addictive. Spent the better part of the last couple days breeding a flying mount Pal with +50% movement speed, and I'm beyond excited for how much potential there is in PvP modes.

I can't wait for more Pals and/or mod support via Steam Workshop. I'd love a mod that makes every Pal mountable so we have completely control over when the moves are used. I'd also like to see a mod that adds a 4th spammable move so we don't just have MMO style cooldown.

The Catboy · Jan 25, 2024

I hope Atlus and Squire Enix will look into the Pokemon games next because Pokemon did not invent this nor are all of their designs original.
Honestly, I am pretty sure they are just mad that Palworld is better than anything GameFreak has pushed out in years.
Also, fuck Byofrog. Dude literally admitted that they only did this in an attempt to get the game removed. They are narcissist that in a sane world shouldn’t have gotten any attention.

Jaxom · Jan 25, 2024

Guacaholey said:
I can't wait for more Pals and/or mod support via Steam Workshop. I'd love a mod that makes every Pal mountable so we have completely control over when the moves are used. I'd also like to see a mod that adds a 4th spammable move so we don't just have MMO style cooldown.

I think an already fair amount of them can be used as mounts.
What could be done, also, is having some accessories slots on Pals to reduce cooldowns, enhance movement speed, ATK, DEF, etc.
But as you can already enhance them through the souls system, I'm not sure it will be added (especially after the devs released their roadmap yesterday).

BlueFox gui · Jan 25, 2024

as someone who loves to use palworld to shit on pokemon, i'll say the only legal issues they can have is with their designs, not because the monsters look like pokeys, but because some of the designs are too simillar to be not be plagiarism
the game is fun, but the monster design aspect was so lazy, there are so many people out there passionate about monster design, hire them, get them to work with you, there are monster thing indies out there like cassette beasts that has creative deisgns inspired by both pokemon and culture but still looking unique enough, honestly the designs are my only issue with palworld

themosteve · Jan 25, 2024

GameFreak should make pokemon game with next gen graphic and gameplay in PC or Ps5, pokemon is a franchise with so much potential
I think they can do better without hardware limitation from nintendo console like capcom with monster hunter world

SylverReZ · Jan 25, 2024

thunderboy17 said:
what were they supposed to say then? "Wassup y'all, it's ya bois, the Pokémon Company. This Palworld homies acting kinda sus huh? We're gonna vibe check them and see if they're cringe, or based. Peace y'all, and remember: Pokémon goes hard."

That's a lot of words.

DuoForce said:
Palworld > Pokemon

I've had so much more fun with Palworld than I have any Pokemon game since Gen 6 onwards (except Legends)

I agree. Palworld is much better than Pokemon. A fresh start compared to Pokemon's overused existing generations.

raylgo · Jan 25, 2024

My best friend has always maintained that Pokemon needs to revolutionize their formula since its getting stale and he hasnt finished a game since rby... He wants real time fights (but doesnt consider arceus since its not a mainline) and hates that pokemon stories are lame and made for kids.

but i see pokemon the single player rpg side as the tutorial for the new battling mechanics. pokemon to me is a competitive pvp battling game. something that he cannot wrap his mind around. Not sure how you would make a real time pokemon battle a thing for tournaments between players...

Its like not appreciating the beauty of mount everest because the parking lot sucks. his counterpoint is that its the games job to keep you entertained all throughout and you shouldnt have to work for it.

he's buying palworld as a personal middle finger to nintendo. while i just got scarlet and havent even played sword yet. excited to see new stuff

Marc_LFD · Jan 25, 2024

It'll be even funnier when Palworld is released on the Switch, the Nintendo Switch.

Xzi · Jan 25, 2024

Guacaholey said:
I'd also like to see a mod that adds a 4th spammable move so we don't just have MMO style cooldown.

FYI you can change equipped moves any time under the party menu, most Pals quickly learn more than three and usually have at least two two-second cooldown moves in their arsenal. So you can make some of your party spammers and others heavy hitters with long cooldowns.

Marc_LFD said:
It'll be even funnier when Palworld is released on the Switch, the Nintendo Switch.

Switch 2 maybe, but Switch already struggles enough as it is with UE4. Palworld is on UE5 and asks for a minimum 16GB RAM.

AlexMCS · Jan 25, 2024

Xzi said:
Oh okay, that's not so bad, though it could still be misleading. For example, Palworld's "Pikachu" is more like a cross between Electabuzz and Pikachu, and its size is reflective of that. Shrinking it down to compare it would be disingenuous. Actually, now that I think about it, the closest thing the game has to Pikachu is a cat.

Seems he did at least apologize for the misleading comparisons, so I shouldn't be too harsh on him.

More like an mid-evo between Electabuzz and Electivire.
I've been playing Palworld for a while, and it's clear that the designs are mishmashes of Pokémon parts.
Very fun game, despite all the controversy.

Purple_Shyguy · Jan 25, 2024

When it was found out they literally copy and pasted Pokemon models it was game over. They'll have to remove those.

Jaxom · Jan 25, 2024

Purple_Shyguy said:
When it was found out they literally copy and pasted Pokemon models it was game over. They'll have to remove those.

Innocent until proved guilty and sentenced for that.
I think this VGC article is quite accurate (https://www.videogameschronicle.com...agiarism-accusations-pile-up-as-ceo-responds/).

There's clearly inspiration (if not blatant copy in some designs), but if Nintendo, The Pokémon Company and Game Freaks want to go to court for that, they will have to prove things first and Pocketpair has the right to defend itself.

Wait and see, as always.

Xzi · Jan 25, 2024

AlexMCS said:
I've been playing Palworld for a while, and it's clear that the designs are mishmashes of Pokémon parts.

TBH Pokemon mostly come in two varieties: round and cuddly, or pointy and angry. Palworld does a great job of demonstrating how easy those styles are to emulate, without infringing on any copyrights. It's doing something new and interesting with the core gameplay of a monster catcher that's risky and difficult, but they pulled it off.

AlexMCS · Jan 25, 2024

Xzi said:
TBH Pokemon mostly come in two varieties: round and cuddly, or pointy and angry. Palworld does a great job of demonstrating how easy those styles are to emulate, without infringing on any copyrights. It's doing something new and interesting with the core gameplay of a monster catcher that's risky and difficult, but they pulled it off.

No, no, it's not a matter of style. It's a literal copy of pokémon designs with small adjustments.

Some examples:
Anubis is clearly a Lucario mod.
Bristla is a touched up Bellossom.
Chillet is obviously an adjusted Furret.

and so on.

IMHO, I strongly suspect they used AI to generate fakemon concept art, and their middle-schooler modeler loaded up base pokémon models and touched them up to get Pals.

I personally don't care if they are ripoffs or whatever, they've been changed enough, but people are on an anti-AI crusade for some obtuse reason.

_v3 · Jan 25, 2024

Pokemon nerds are extremely salty that they only got fed crap for the last 6 years.

Xzi · Jan 25, 2024

AlexMCS said:
Anubis is clearly a Lucario mod.
Bristla is a touched up Bellossom.
Chillet is obviously an adjusted Furret.

Lucario is based on Anubis, so that's simply the muse coming full circle. Nintendo can't copyright Egyptian mythology.
Bristla and Bellossom I can definitely see the similarities in, probably as close as any Pal gets to a Pokemon.
Chillet has a much more defined face than Furret, who is extreme example of the round aesthetic I mentioned before. Chillet's tail also ends in much more of a point, resembling an icicle.

AlexMCS said:
IMHO, I strongly suspect they used AI to generate fakemon concept art, and their middle-schooler modeler loaded up base pokémon models and touched them up to get Pals.

I personally don't care if they are ripoffs or whatever, they've been changed enough, but people are on an anti-AI crusade for some obtuse reason.

Yeah, whether it's AI or using Pokemon models as a base and editing them by hand, it doesn't really matter. Everything is inspired by what came before it, so if it isn't a 1:1 copy, it can still be enjoyed as its own thing. Hell, Palworld has Churches of Marika and Evergaols in it. They aren't explicitly called that, and the textures themselves more closely resemble the temples in BotW, but they're still easily recognizable for anybody who has played Elden Ring.

Spider_Man · Jan 25, 2024

This game is funny, it is sort of replicating pokemon but then its ok because it is completely different to pokemon.

Then its also sort of replicating fortnight with players running around with weapons shooting everything, building and crafting shit and blowing it up.

But as fortnight doesn't really have creatures blasting people away or blowing shit up - its ok.

and as pokemon doesn't have people blasting and blowing shit up - its ok.

I guess all nintendo are going to do is taking what ever they can desperately comparing it side by side so they can sue them for false make believe damages and losses.

Like what fucking damages really? Nintendo recycling the same shit since the 90s and then comes the switch where they cant even be arsed and forget to actually add content into its "new" game.

Which in reality are just massive empty maps, repeating the same shit over and over and there used them as a running tech demo, but charged you to do what they're supposed to be doing, testing it so they can take the feedback to improve it.

But only do so by either crapping out a new game or later adding the content it should have had at launch, but release it as paid for dlc.

Or they just port the exact same shit then later charge for its new content like Mario kart did.

So what exactly are these losses when they're charging gamers more money for doing fuck all.

Cheesy as it may, but nintendo cant handle competition and the fact these people have come up with something different that's actually fun to play.

I dont know if anyone has seen that McDonald's TV advert where its in an office and some guy is on the phone and it says something like he's so stuck in the 80s and not with the modern times.

This is exactly like nintendo, so stuck in the 80s simply recycling the same shit because they know their loyal brain washed fanboys will blindly throw their money at them and do as they're told.

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