You have to dump it via sdtool. But that makes no really sense in my opinion.
When your joycons drift, change the stick or (what a lot of people do) use wd40 contact cleaner.
Then what is the point? Why include a section on preventing from getting banned if you're not going to share the most effective tools that prevent bans? Seems like this thread is attempting to get more people banned so they'll contribute by sharing outdated information, for crying out loud they mention SX Emunand, that should be a Red flag for how badly it needs updating.
False information, they don't have to do anything like that and can boot Atmosphere on sysNAND just fine whysoever they want that, without having to worry as long as they stick to the known rules.
I agree minus the bickering at the end.
Because contrary to everyone's belief, these tools technically do not prevent bans. I know what you're thinking, you think I'm crazy. Tools like exosphere, dns.mitm, incognito don't prevent a ban, they mimic a ban; using them puts you in the state as if you were banned. Another way to look at it is they would be used the same way if someone were using Airplane Mode or simply deleting their Wi-Fi settings. Again, you're not preventing a ban in any of these scenarios, you're just preventing the console from connecting to Nintendo's servers which is the same state as being banned. If you were to use these tools for other purposes such as FTP or wireless installation, then it makes sense but otherwise, there is no point in using them because it achieves the same purpose as just not having any Wi-Fi settings which you don't need a hack to perform.
To everyone who actually thinks he is crazy, read this info of exosphere from GitHub:
I do think that that's a wrong approach, these tools do mimic a ban but not to the full extent since the keys aren't banned and thus can be put back or unhidden and I woundn't compare them because of that. Also you seem to have glossed over Emunand here, the main purpose of these tools is to be applied on Emunand So you can use Backups, forwarders, save editors, and other dirtying junk there and Keep your Sysnand clean for online or selling your switch in the future.
Airplane mode is not like DNS.mitm or Incognito, they are enabled on boot and are not easily disablable like Airplane Mode. This is comparing apples and oranges. Also again you completely glossed over Emunand here, I hope you aren't intentionally doing that to hype up the fear of bans.
If people are actually using these tools properly and aren't doing any other stupid shit on their clean Sysnand (i.e. clearing logs) they will not get banned. This seems like one of the very disingenuous arguments from the old days against homebrew.
Except they don't do the same thing, especially in the case of incognito since it erases the Connection data and certificates from prodinfo and thus prevents Nintendo from enacting a ban on that system from your Dirty emunand. Mitm blocks any connection to their servers more reliably than turning off Wifi since without it at any point you can forget and connect to Wifi and thus be banned.
Sounds like it came right from a 2018 Youtube on why Homebrew is evil. Let's break this down.
These tools weren't invented for the purpose of being paired with emuMMC. Even then, its the same logic; its like saying not having Wi-Fi settings prevents being banned. It doesn't prevent, it just mimics it.
To me, the actual difference between the two is one has access to Wi-Fi while the other doesn't. Being enabled on boot hardly matters and ease of disabling is a completely subjective topic. Either way, people use them as "ban preventative measures" so they are all treated the same. But I will admit that I omitted emuMMC mostly because ban report slowed to a screech once it was released for Atmosphere. I felt it would be redundant to state the obvious since everyone else either knew that emuMMC existed or how to use emuMMC to evade a ban.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. Problem is objective data cannot take into account people's intentions or accidents. Not to mention that the more steps you add, the more chances there are that something that can go wrong which is an objective fact. Why go through something with a bigger chance of blowing up in your face than something that is easier to use and less dangerous? The choice is very clear.
You're just being facetious at this point. You're literally the only person who cares that these methods don't do the exact same thing. The point here is that they are touted as "ban preventative measures" so in terms of the end goal, yes they do the same thing whether you like it or not.
I would type a response for this section but what I said immediately prior is an adequate reply. If you truly and honestly believe that I'm not being neutral here, then you're also not being neutral here by assuming everyone got banned because of piracy. Maybe you should look yourself in the mirror and listen to your own advice because to me, it seems more like you've cherrypicked certain statements rather than looking at the whole picture.
See here's the thing when it comes to bans it all comes down to preventing Big N from taking your certificate (The thing that lets you go online) and blacklisting it permanently. If someone wants to prevent that there are two things they can do. They can either be a good boy and not do mods or piracy or any other naughty stuff ever at all, or they can use a discreate offline container that takes away Nintendo's 'inalienable' ability to know about it (you're not able to play online there if you want to do that).
Ease of disabling could also be seen as proneness to failure. Airplane mode will shut off when placed in a Dock. Also if the Dock has an ethernet cable connected then deleting your connections won't matter since it'll auto connect to that. You probably wouldn't do that at home but in the case you should ever dock your Switch at someone else's house it could catch you off guard. Better to have a solution that is integrated in TrustZone rather than a feature that can automatically switch itself off any time.
Funny considering that using something like DNS.mitm isn't much more complicated than your methods and actually have less chance of blowing up in one's face on the count of being more stable. So you're inadvertently arguing for the newer tools over the older ones like 90DNS.
They have higher failure rates and they get more people banned. I don't know how that's hard to understand, DNS servers can go down, Airplane mode can turn itself off, these aren't rare occurrences. yes TrustZone can Fail but it's more likely it's failure will result in error as opposed to having your protections dropped.
There's two reasons someone might be pushing these methods, the first one that they're stuck in 2018 and don't know of any of the better ones. The second is deceptive, attempting to cause bans or attempting to make it seem like being banned is a bigger risk than it is. You're obviously not the first one and you did admit that you omitted EmuNAND because it decreased the amount of ban submissions you received.
There's nothing neutral about any of this, put it simply you are giving advice that will inevitably cause users to get banned on the count of how unreliable and outdated your methods are. I'm on the side of people who want to prevent from being banned because being banned will inevitably suck at some point down the line, even if you don't care about Online consider that a banned Switch will sell for significantly less, if you can even sell it at all.
I'm not the one handing out outdated misinformation to people claiming It's the best way to prevent bans while also trying to claim that getting banned is inevitable or trying to convince them that Homebrew is evil or scary.
This thread is perfect for people for people who may want to sell their Switch or play online occasionally because one mistake can be all it takes to ruin a child's birthday present or the only console a person could afford. Sorry but not sorry, the advice given here is designed for those types of people on the fence.
This isn't manipulation; its the exact opposite. Including people's failures would skew the results hard. If the data indicates people are getting banned even when using emuMMC, then that would mean emuMMC is faulty at preventing bans. But you cannot objectively indicate whether it was a mistake or not because mistakes are subjective actions. You can only deem something a mistake based on a subjective goal.
I mean, as an actual person who has worked in tech support for the Switch unlike somebody else, it is way more intuitive for people to input DNS settings on their console than modify a notepad document. When is the last time anyone has ever actually configured hekate_ipl.ini or exosphere.ini without a pre-built one?
What? Are you worried meteors will fall from the sky too? The increased chance of failure is insignificant in practice. While not much can be done about Airplane Mode being disabled, if the DNS servers go down, you won't get banned; you just won't have any Internet connection. And I have personally seen more bans when people use alternative methods such as Incognito so its actually the opposite of what you think.
But its not? How can advocating for no homebrew or CFW lead to more bans? You're not making any sense whatsoever. In fact, following your advice is more likely to get users banned. Personally, I've helped many people avoid bans unlike you.
I cannot tell if you are purposely ignoring the whole section of people unbanned for many things whether its piracy, homebrew, CFW, or any mix of the three. That is what makes the data really accurate because only having banned data actually gives everything a 100% ban rate which doesn't exist.
I'm not the one handing out outdated misinformation either as it hasn't changed since 2018 otherwise I would have revised this thread a long time ago. The only change I would put is the emuMMC change but not only have people realized that without me saying it but the whole thread would just boil into a tl;dr of using emuMMC which would defeat the larger purpose of the thread which is, and always was, to analyze what can and cannot cause a ban whether you believe it or not.
Right up until it all comes down on them for using poor methods, I am not sorry to tell you that the methods you recommend are most likely to negatively effect those specific people you intend to cater to.
If you don't block the online services or blank information adequately emuMMC won't really help you much.
"My uncle works at Nintendo too", joking aside I can't really see how going through the process of setting up DNS every time you connect to a Network is more convent than just copying over a premade text file once and then never thinking about it again. you're right people don't make it themselves they usually use a Pre-made one, but there's still less chance for error with that since it only needs to be done once. DNS has to be set up every time you connect to Wifi, you're bound to forget eventually.
You won't get banned if it goes down but did you ever consider that they have the potential to stop blocking Nintendo say if that particular DNS server changed hands or gets compromised. Just like that everyone using that DNS, Thanos snapped off NSO.
It won't lead to more bans but it is a Nuclear option as CFW itself isn't what directly caused those bans (excluding SXOS, that one will dirty your NAND even if you don't install any games). It's the stuff you add on top or do after that'll really do you in. The things like Signature patches, Custom Forwarders, mods
That seems very sus already, people don't get unbanned for pirated games.
Problem is but it has, whether or not you want to admit it. I'll start giving examples, first of all SXOS is dead, gone. Never to be seen or heard from again (good riddance, because that one actually did cause bans in and of itself). The second one, Atmosphere custom firmware has more protection methods some like erpt redirection are enabled automatically (you can't disable it) logs errors on SD and prevents Nintendo from getting them. Yes others need to be manually set up but that doesn't discount their effectiveness.
I could say the same thing about you my man, you clearly aren't aware who you're picking a fight with.
I'd hardly call 3 referrals on GBAtemp popular, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.
You want a pissing contest? You're going up against the master.
I mean it hasn't unlike the methods you endorse. I am not sorry to tell you that the methods you recommend not only are most likely to negatively effect those specific people, but they already have.
I don't know why you're so fixated on ban submissions because I need unbanned data as much as banned data. If submissions trickle down to zero, nobody will know who is getting banned and who isn't. Its the worst of both worlds.
Because most people aren't connecting to new Wi-Fi networks that often? Data has shown that the majority of Switch players utilize docked mode ergo they are usually playing at home and unless they're changing their Internet settings every so often, the need to update the DNS settings would rarely come up. Also, I'm not SciresM nor a mind reader, I'm not here to guess his each and every action. Furthermore, not every action he makes is completely rational or for the good of the scene. There are plenty of things he has done that I would disagree with but that's another discussion.
Sure and like I said, you're really afraid of being struck by lightning are you? That's not common sense, that's just straight up paranoia. Now I can say the pot is truly calling the kettle black.
But it has and the data is there to prove it. I'm merely a voice for the data because people don't bother reading it nowadays such as yourself.
I never mentioned anything about being unbanned so I have absolutely no idea where you're coming from.
Bans were constantly being reported without people using SX OS so that is irrelevant whether or not you want to admit it. And I'm also aware of some of the protection Atmosphere offers which is why there's a section in the data that specifically checks to see if the users have it or not.
There is nothing to revise. I've been following the scene way before Fusee Gelee leaked up until now. The only thing worth mentioning is emuMMC but people are fully aware of it without my efforts.
You're joking right? I'm not glad to admit but you don't get this high of a post count just by acting as tech support.
Obviously, there's way more than just three but I don't have the time to scrounge up every single reference to this thread on this forum. Of course, I can step it up and give you way more examples.I'd hardly call 3 referrals on GBAtemp popular, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.
What is this baseball now
If you're the master, then I'm the creator.
You remind me of the one-upping in hell scene from Sandman. (yt: MUObaxiHzbM)
Mindlessly parroting back what I say doesn't make you more right.
So are you saying you give people advice that will inevitably get them banned so that they can submit data for you? Essentially everyone who takes your advice is a guinea pig in your experiment in order to learn about Bans, is that what you're saying, that better not be what you're doing here.
With that setup the risk that you'll make a mistake is ongoing. You won't be setting up new WiFi networks frequently, but that has the effect of increasing the chance of forgetting and connecting to a new Network without adding your DNS.
If people are going to be using among other things game mods, forwarders, and stuff that modifies the NAND or behavior of official Nintendo Games they should be taking proper precautions, that means using methods that aren't outdated otherwise they should avoid those things. That's not being paranoid that's called not using outdated methods when there are significantly better ones are available.
I could say something about the legitimacy of some of these reports and question how we're able to filter out intentionally wrong ones but I won't because you're way to arrogant to actually understand these things or want to understand them.
What do you call this then?
It is irrelevant but I mentioned it because I knew if I didn't, you would've likely just said something about how SX OS on it's own is known to cause bans and somehow use that to say it applies for all CFW. I'm not saying that Bans don't happen on other CFWs but I am saying that SX OS isn't a good example of the (inherently falsidical) statement that CFW on it's own will get you banned.
Plenty more worth mentioning than just emuMMC but I've already told you as much. You've already received the information, you're choosing to ignore it out of arrogance, that's your problem.
You think you're special don't you, a lot of other people do too. That's fine, I'm not scared of you or people like you. Hey maybe this will help boost my post count too since that apparently matters so much on here.
So are you trying to prove that you're a threat to the well being of New users by giving them faulty advice that'll likely get them banned?
You think you're being funny don't you. I'll admit it kind of is funny, but not in the way you would like.
Yeah I guess I can't be more right than I already am. My apologies.
I never once said nor implied that. I literally said I need both banned and unbanned data. The advice I give does not and will not get people banned. All of the information I get also doesn't have to come from people following my advice.
You're once again twisting my words. I don't insist on people using Airplane Mode or DNS. Do you see that reinforced anywhere in the first post? No but you wouldn't know because you don't read everything I write or say because you're just cherrypicking words. My personal recommendation is to simply delete Wi-Fi settings because its the simplest and most effective method at preventing a connection to Nintendo's servers. I only recommend Airplane Mode or DNS settings if people are paranoid or want to make use of Wi-Fi without fear of getting banned which is not very often.
The methods aren't outdated. They still work perfectly fine in the year of 2022. Newer doesn't always mean better.
I have never ever once stated that all homebrew is bad or everyone who uses homebrew no matter how they do it is destined to get banned.
Go ahead, about half of them are posts in this very thread so have fun sifting through 250+ pages to prove that all of the reports are indeed 100% legitimate. But my arrogance doesn't hold a candle to yours.
I will admit, this is the first mistake that I have made. I meant to say "banned". I'm not sure why I said "unbanned". Please accept my sincerest apologies.
Well, SX OS is mostly on there as separate sections because people weren't sure if the first banwave was due to SX OS, Atmosphere, or other factors so in an effort to trace the origins of those initial bans, we checked to see if users used SX OS as well as how they used it. I wouldn't cite SX OS as an example of a CFW that is known to cause bans by itself for a number of reasons.
I mean, its a lengthy first post that people can and should read but if people need a tl;dr to just use emuMMC, it should just be in its own thread nor worth mentioning any other protections that the scene has developed.
You just love putting words in my mouth don't you? I never said nor implied either of those things and I also couldn't care less about your opinions anyways.
No, I'm trying to prove that I'm a boon to the well being of new users by giving them objectively good advice that'll likely not get them banned.
It is hilarious because you think you're in the right here when you couldn't be anymore wrong. Honestly, if you were just trolling, that might save you more face than if you were being unironically serious about what you were saying.
I wish you could hear yourself for a minute, because this just makes you sound even more arrogant and narcisistic than most of what you said before.
Saying that you excluded something due to it causing bans to decline is exactly that.
"Perform any and all hacking offline with the Wi-Fi settings deleted and Airplane Mode to prevent accidental connection to Nintendo Hotspots (think 3DS Spotpass)"
Newer isn't always better, the "betterness" of something is a function of its effectiveness. It's very much objective that a Connection specific DNS hosted by someone else and an offline mode known for disabling itself automatically is less effective than a System wide DNS operating in TrustZone combined with something that completely hides or destroys the unique identifiers and certificates.
Saying any and all hacking of a console definitely fits that definition well.
Nope Faulty Data is your problem not mine. It would be my problem if I were to do my own study but I'm not doing that, because I don't want to and I am not obligated to.
Your first sentence was narcissistic self-righteous bullshit, that invalidates the sincereness of any apology you could've give, not that any of this was intended to be in any way meaningful (I know better than to expect an apology for anything from someone like you, and also this isn't the kind of thing that requires an apology). You're just salty that I won't go away and stop picking you apart.
).Yeah, SX OS isn't actually a great example of that since there aren't many people who were just using SX OS without mods, cheats, or backups. Although same kind of holds true nowadays for most people, majority of people either use CFW with mods (including signature patches) or not at all.
You're right it should be in it's own thread, or its own guide. Definately not maintained by you of course
lol *not* Sorry but you do act like you're special, I mean you've already thrown your post count in my face as a way of saying you're somehow special while also trying to seem threatening to me.
It's only objectively good advice if the assumption that it's not going to break down at some point is actually true, DNS servers are inherantly less reliable due to their remote nature and the fact that they are connection specific, Airplane Mode is even less reliable (can self disable very easily). Of coarse I've already told you all this before.
If only you hadn't already proven yourself to be and arrogant narcissist with your many comments throughout this thread this may have had some significance. I'd quote them here but I already quoted them with my other replies in this post.
I have absolutely no idea where you get the idea that I'm narcissistic because all I'm doing is voicing the objective findings of the data found in this thread. If anyone is arrogant and narcissistic here, it would most definitely be you and by a long mile.
I literally just said I don't exclude any ban submission data whether they are banned or not banned. I wish you could hear yourself for a minute because this just makes you sound even more arrogant and narcissistic than most of what you said before.
I will concede that I should probably omit the part about Airplane Mode since it can be disabled but what you think to be a "poor excuse" is right whether or not you want to admit it. That's not my problem, that's yours.
The practical data disagrees especially when it comes to those that destroys the unique identifiers and certificates as there are plenty of cases where people become permanently banned due to using those services. Argue that the same thing can happen if they use 90DNS or Airplane Mode but at least if those stop working for a while, there isn't a guarantee they will immediately become banned unlike Incognito which, I repeat, has already happened numerous times.
No, this is one of those moments where you are incorrectly comparing two statements against each other. Saying you can get banned for all homebrew is not the same as saying all homebrew is bad.
Then in the light of you failing to provide any counter data, my data is automatically correct until disproven otherwise so my data is therefore not faulty.
The pot is truly calling the kettle black at all times isn't it? There is absolutely nothing for me to be salty about it because everything I tout is fact and you have yet to disprove anything. I have nothing to lose unlike you whose been proven wrong over and over again or shoehorning theories without evidence.Your first sentence was narcissistic self-righteous bullshit, that invalidates the sincereness of any apology you could've give, not that any of this was intended to be in any way meaningful (I know better than to expect an apology for anything from someone like you, and also this isn't the kind of thing that requires an apology). You're just salty that I won't go away and stop picking you apart.
You could've just said 'sorry that was a typo' and that would've been it and it would've been much easier.
Your answer does make it more fun though (and also beneficial to me
Nope, it should definitely be maintained by me. It should definitely not be maintained by you of courseYou're right it should be in it's own thread, or its own guide. Definately not maintained by you of course
Well, it takes special people to deal with trolls like you who do nothing to benefit the community and waste all their time arguing.
Read above.
I think you've reached insanity since you aren't even making sense anymore not with your metaphor nor with my words that you're supposedly using.
That only matters whether or not it actually happens in practice. The DNS servers have never once go down and if they did, the Atmosphere team would have alerted the community as they advertised those same servers.
I mean when you only stick to the objective facts, its an unfortunate side effect. Maybe you should try it out some time
See, now you don't even have any counterarguments left so you've resorted to name calling instead of admitting I'm right. And you have the gall to call me the arrogant narcissist
