So, uh... the gas prices

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

sure, nuclear is the cleanest, but it also takes the longest (30 year average construction time per plant) and is limited to certain geographical locations (you need functional rivers so drought prone areas are out). fuck France had to turn theirs down/off because the river water got too hot a couple weeks ago.

Apparently China has already solved the issue (or is about to).

 

[Xzi]

EV's can't haul loads.

Wrong. The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning is rated for 10,000 lbs towing capacity. Electric trucks also boast better torque than their gas counterparts.

What you are calling for is a lot more complicated than expanding highways.

Reducing the size of highways is more complicated than expanding them? Nah.

Anything the government gets involved in makes it more expensive. See; education.

Lmao that has to be your dumbest claim yet. Public school is more expensive than private school? Wat.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that our public utility companies here in Colorado are not more expensive than the rates Texans pay for privately-owned utilities.

 

[stanna]

Every day on the news over here in the UK the government gives us the it's Putin's fault bollocks, he's raised the gas prices, but it's the government 's fault they won't buy gas off the Russians anymore, I want cheap gas again, I couldn't give a fuck about Ukraine it's all been fabricated to put up the cost of living, more tax money.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Lmao who do you think you're fooling? Putin declared himself god-emperor of Russia about a decade ago now, and every election since has been transparently fraudulent. The leader of his opposition was poisoned multiple times before being thrown in jail (presumably for life) on bogus charges.

These things happen in Russia. It does not prove government involvement, see Dugins daughter (or JFK in the US)

Horse shit. The invasion is and always has been about attempting to seize Ukraine's resources/geographical position, and therefore it was always inevitable.

History proves you wrong: 2008 war in Georgia after NATO invitation, 2014 war in Ukraine after EU invitation which included a "common defence infrastructure" (i.e. NATO).

Clearly not, or there would be no international resistance to Putin's imperialist actions. If in the modern day, superpowers got to invade and annex whichever countries they want, America would've annexed Russia for its oil decades ago.

LOL. The US did not annex Russia because at no point could Russia not have nuked the US. When does your country stop annexing Syria? Just because it is not colored differently on your map, does not mean it isn´t happening.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

Wrong. The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning is rated for 10,000 lbs towing capacity. Electric trucks also boast better torque than their gas counterparts.

Did you see the tests where it can only pull that load 70 miles on a full charge? Thankfully being a truck you can put a generator in the bed and get a longer range.

 

[Xzi]

These things happen in Russia.

Yeah, because it's run by a dictator who will never allow any real opposition to gain any power.

History proves you wrong

Putin's own comments on the matter prove me right. He dropped the facade long ago, it's pathetic that you aren't willing to do the same.

When does your country stop annexing Syria?

Already done, it was more or less annexed by Russia years back when Trump pulled troops out of the region to go protect Saudi oil fields instead.

 

[Xzi]

Did you see the tests where it can only pull that load 70 miles on a full charge? Thankfully being a truck you can put a generator in the bed and get a longer range.

Yeah towing uses up a lot more fuel regardless of whether the vehicle is gas or electric. Should be a given.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Wrong. The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning is rated for 10,000 lbs towing capacity. Electric trucks also boast better torque than their gas counterparts.

There is a difference between what Ford rates their vehicles and what they get in the real world. Somebody who has actually owned a car would know that.

Reducing the size of highways is more complicated than expanding them? Nah.

Didn't realize you were an engineer.

Lmao that has to be your dumbest claim yet. Public school is more expensive than private school? Wat.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that our public utility companies here in Colorado are not more expensive than the rates Texans pay for privately-owned utilities.

My property taxes that pay specifically for school costs more than a year in private school. Somebody would know that if they had kids and actually owned property.

By all means, keep trying to dispute my claims with emotion. It's working out so well for you.

 

[Xzi]

There is a difference between what Ford rates their vehicles and what they get in the real world.

Your point being that gas vehicles are also worse for towing than their ratings would suggest? That does not invalidate the fact that electric trucks are capable of towing, it just makes you pedantic.

Didn't realize you were an engineer.

I was gonna go ask an engineer, but then my common sense started tingling.

My property taxes that pay specifically for school costs more than a year in private school. Somebody would know that if they had kids and actually owned property.

Somebody who pays taxes would know they don't go to only one specific thing, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

Your point being that gas vehicles are also worse for towing than their ratings would suggest? That does not invalidate the fact that electric trucks are capable of towing, it just makes you pedantic.

The towing ratings on EV trucks is just on how much weight it can tow, it doesn't list the distance.

Gas trucks of course also take a hit, things can very based on trim model, how one drives, type of traffic or constant speed etc. But a gas 2023 F-150 is rated at 24mpg for highway, but drops to 14mpg towing. The average smaller gas tank is 23 gal, so on a full tank you can get around 322 miles of towing, and be able to spend 10 mins to refuel and keep going.

That's over 4x the towing range of the Lightning. Heck the non-towing range of the Lightning is 300 miles, which is about 55% of the range of a gas that can get 550 miles not towing.

Just because Bob's Rickshaw is green only needing to fuel Bob and can get you five blocks in the city, it doesn't mean you'll want to use him for a cross country drive.

 

[Xzi]

The towing ratings on EV trucks is just on how much weight it can tow, it doesn't list the distance.

Gas trucks of course also take a hit, things can very based on trim model, how one drives, type of traffic or constant speed etc. But a gas 2023 F-150 is rated at 24mpg for highway, but drops to 14mpg towing. The average smaller gas tank is 23 gal, so on a full tank you can get around 322 miles of towing, and be able to spend 10 mins to refuel and keep going.

That's over 4x the towing range of the Lightning. Heck the non-towing range of the Lightning is 300 miles, which is about 55% of the range of a gas that can get 550 miles not towing.

Just because Bob's Rickshaw is green only needing to fuel Bob and can get you five blocks in the city, it doesn't mean you'll want to use him for a cross country drive.

If we're gonna get into the nitty-gritty, might as well get into the cost per mile then too, and the electric truck is gonna win that battle by leaps and bounds even with gas at its current (relatively low) price. Thirteen years from now, towing efficiency of electric trucks will have improved, and the price per gallon of gas will be way up, making the switch to EVs even more of a no-brainer.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Your point being that gas vehicles are also worse for towing than their ratings would suggest? That does not invalidate the fact that electric trucks are capable of towing, it just makes you pedantic.

I never said they were incapable of towing, EV's just can't tow as far as ICE vehicles without needing a lengthy recharge. It's been proven already.

I was gonna go ask an engineer, but then my common sense started tingling.

You should have asked an engineer instead of relying on the tingling in your pants.

Somebody who pays taxes would know they don't go to only one specific thing, sorry.

Schools are paid thru property taxes and other fees. No need to be sorry, I understand you are mentally handicapped.

 

[TraderPatTX]

If we're gonna get into the nitty-gritty, might as well get into the cost per mile then too, and the electric truck is gonna win that battle by leaps and bounds even with gas at its current (relatively low) price. Thirteen years from now, towing efficiency of electric trucks will have improved, and the price per gallon of gas will be way up, making the switch to EVs even more of a no-brainer.

Ok Marty McFly, if you have to bring your argument from the future to compare to present day vehicles, you have just lost. Good God man, have mercy on me. I can't take this level of stupidity any longer.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

If we're gonna get into the nitty-gritty, might as well get into the cost per mile then too, and the electric truck is gonna win that battle by leaps and bounds even with gas at its current (relatively low) price. Thirteen years from now, towing efficiency of electric trucks will have improved, and the price per gallon of gas will be way up, making the switch to EVs even more of a no-brainer.

I hope they are in 13 years or even less. I'm not anti-EV, but their expense and current limitations make them less than ideal. And we currently don't have anything in place to replace the batteries. Did you see the quote from a Florida dealership that wanted $29,000 to replace the batteries on a ten year old Chevy Bolt?

We should always try improving things and developing new technologies, but there are a huge number of things that have been "just five years away" for the last few decades. We need to plan with what you have, and be able to pivot if there are tech breakthroughs.

 

[Xzi]

You should have asked an engineer instead of relying on the tingling in your pants.

Again I would've, but it's obvious by now my downstairs brain knows more than the one you have upstairs.

Schools are paid thru property taxes and other fees.

Which still doesn't amount to even half of what most private schools cost annually, nor does everybody pay property taxes, dipshit.

Ok Marty McFly, if you have to bring your argument from the future to compare to present day vehicles, you have just lost. Good God man, have mercy on me. I can't take this level of stupidity any longer.

Fuckin' hell you must be illiterate. My argument is that it's ALREADY much cheaper to move an electric truck twenty miles than it is to move a gas truck the same distance, whether it's being used to tow or not. Probably not even $0.50 for the electric truck, but a full gallon of gas (roughly $3.80) for the other truck.

 

[TraderPatTX]

I hope they are in 13 years or even less. I'm not anti-EV, but their expense and current limitations make them less than ideal. And we currently don't have anything in place to replace the batteries. Did you see the quote from a Florida dealership that wanted $29,000 to replace the batteries on a ten year old Chevy Bolt?

We should always try improving things and developing new technologies, but there are a huge number of things that have been "just five years away" for the last few decades. We need to plan with what you have, and be able to pivot if there are tech breakthroughs.

People get this argument and every other argument twisted. The left thinks people on the right just want to stick with what we have here. All I'm arguing is that moving the entire world to unproven technologies that are not as good as we have now is not a good idea and will lead to great human suffering. You already see it in Sri Lanka when the government mandated organic farming. People were starving and they ended up revolting. That's why people like @Xzi have to resort to using emotion based arguments which fail every single time.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Again I would've, but it's obvious by now my downstairs brain knows more than the one you have upstairs.

Those who have to brag have nothing to brag about.

Which still doesn't amount to even half of what private school costs annually, nor does everybody pay property taxes, dipshit.

Tell me you're not a homeowner without telling me you are a homeowner.

Fuckin' hell you must be illiterate. My argument is that it's ALREADY much cheaper to move an electric truck twenty miles than it is to move a gas truck the same distance, whether it's being used to tow or not. Probably not even $0.50 for the electric truck, but a full gallon of gas (roughly $3.80) for the other truck.

Then prove your point or shut the fuck up. You never show proof and you use words like "probably" in your arguments. That means you have no idea what you are talking about and are just pulling numbers out of your ass.

I can see you are gonna be number 2 on my ignore list. Talking with you is pointless. A 4 year old with Down's syndrome can form better arguments than you can.

 

[Xzi]

All I'm arguing is that moving the entire world to unproven technologies that are not as good as we have now is not a good idea and will lead to great human suffering. You already see it in Sri Lanka when the government mandated organic farming. People were starving and they ended up revolting.

"I can't win this argument so I'm gonna pull an off-topic whataboutism out of my ass instead."

 

[Xzi]

Tell me you're not a homeowner without telling me you are a homeowner.

I'm not, nor do I share your psychological need to play make believe in that regard. I know when I'm talking to a pre-teen who picked up all his political knowledge from Youtube.

Then prove your point or shut the fuck up. You never show proof and you use words like "probably" in your arguments. That means you have no idea what you are talking about and are just pulling numbers out of your ass.

https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-cost-per-mile/

"It costs from $0.0308 to $0.1132 per mile to drive an electric car."

There, you whiny bitch. So I underestimated a bit, it would cost roughly $1.20 on average to go twenty miles. It costs a gas truck a little less than three times as much to go the same distance.

 

[TraderPatTX]

"I can't win this argument so I'm gonna pull an off-topic whataboutism out of my ass instead."

Cry moar, dork.