pushing stem education as a way to lower pay

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I've been in the market lately as an engineer and some places like indeed actually give you an idea as to how many people apply for jobs and in many of them it's over 50 and these are highly technical jobs that require experience that can be demonstrated. And we know that STEM is being pushed as what all the jobs are going to be but this is false. Really servicing the rich and elderly, gov, security, travel/vacation, general hedonism industries, sales etc are much more future oriented than STEM is. Oh of course they can't have robots servicing broken AC and such but that's usually general maintenance work. You're better off getting into something that retirees and others HAVE to pay a premium for like plumbing, HVAC, medical etc And now you notice the trade schools cost very close to colleges and universities at thousands of dollars per year and which you can't work full time due to the classes and other things required by said fancy ribbon seal of approval folks.

We were all sold that college is the way to good jobs and such for decades but then the market is saturated w college grads so now we get low level jobs that also want/require it for pay this is not really different from 70s pay when college grads were more rare. No college no loans, your pay goes to your needs not interest charges. This is taking into account avg home prices and other things that have gone up aka inflation and other factors. So the gov-education establishment and the bankster loans industry has profited mightily from it, indirectly gets bailout insurance by the gov just like "too big to fail" companies which take that into account when making decisions and like insurance it actually makes them more unstable in decision making.

The general direction of both gov and industry is towards lowering pay while raising taxes and required things in legalized rackets like health insurance and car insurance with no limits on what can be charged and such. So gov would be rubber stamping immigrants from lower wage countries in STEM fields to lower pay, saturating the market w degreed STEM people who are also heavily in debt for college so have little choice but to accept low pay.
 
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Just now discovering that we aren't a meritocracy, eh? The hardest jobs have always paid the least under capitalism. That doesn't mean STEM careers aren't worth pursuing, they provide far more personal fulfillment than being a day trader, for example. Once you have enough income to live comfortably, the relentless pursuit for more of it can't make you happy.
 
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Just now discovering that we aren't a meritocracy, eh? The hardest jobs have always paid the least under capitalism. That doesn't mean STEM careers aren't worth pursuing, they provide far more personal fulfillment than being a day trader, for example. Once you have enough income to live comfortably, the relentless pursuit for more of it can't make you happy.
No my point was that the various govs who are owned by industry who then is owned by the same banksters that financed marxism as the preferred "solution" to the problem created, have sold this nonsense of STEM ed to really lower wages and flood the market with those qualified for these millions of non existent positions. They also have manipulated the immigration kalergi tactic to rush through low wage workers/visa slaves from abroad. On top of this the very inflated college system makes lots of interest for said banksters who own govs. Marxism isn't a solution it's a goal of these same liars.

I'm not hard up but was just looking and wow didn't think these so called hard to train for and get jobs have so many who feel they are qualified. This is like internet dating, the overwhelming replies to 2s make them think they are 8s but it's really a flood of one side compared to a drop or two on the other. Then the 2s come up with all sorts of whacky insane requirements and complain that no one can fulfill them, so then it just degrades to forms of prost called something else.
 

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No my point was that the various govs who are owned by industry who then is owned by the same banksters that financed marxism as the preferred "solution" to the problem created, have sold this nonsense of STEM ed to really lower wages and flood the market with those qualified for these millions of non existent positions. They also have manipulated the immigration kalergi tactic to rush through low wage workers/visa slaves from abroad. On top of this the very inflated college system makes lots of interest for said banksters who own govs. Marxism isn't a solution it's a goal of these same liars.
Yeah...that's some tinfoil hat shit. It's not that complicated why capitalists want to deflate wages while simultaneously inflating prices. Nor is it complicated why they would want to import labor they can pay less than minimum wage.

I'm all for mandating higher pay for STEM careers, as well as several other currently-underpaid careers. There would only be a few politicians who might agree with me on that, and they'd be exclusively those you consider "Marxist."
 

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certain cultures [children] have been raised with the lifelong learning concept. When some see these people as careful with their (hard-earned) resources; money, time, food etc... others desperately in need (and ill-prepared), call them 'cheap'.

Viewpoints are fascinating...imo
 

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