So, uh... the gas prices

[TraderPatTX]

I'm not, nor do I share your psychological need to play make believe in that regard. I know when I'm talking to a pre-teen who picked up all his political knowledge from Youtube.

I get my experience from real life. Something you obviously lack.

https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-cost-per-mile/

"It costs from $0.0308 to $0.1132 per mile to drive an electric car."

There, you whiny bitch. So I underestimated a bit, it would cost roughly $1.20 on average to go twenty miles. It costs a gas truck a little less than three times as much to go the same distance.

We were discussing towing distance. TOWING. See you don't even know what the whole discussion is about because you spend comment after comment crying about how I want people to freeze to death instead of staying on topic. Ffs, this is useless. Enjoy being number 2 on the block list. I'm sure you're accustomed to being number 2 though so this shouldn't bother you.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

The market will dictate which direction we go.

except the market is surprise, influenced by lobbyists.
Aka
The market current winners primary goal is to prevent ANY change, through whatever means necessary, including but not limited to throwing immense amounts of cash behind someone who works for their special interests in the government, aka lobbying.

So "the market will dictate which direction we go" is a nothing burger answer, because it's already apart of how we got here in the first place. Because the market isn't people focused, it's profit focused. And if it's profitable to keep people on a declining industry and make the world burn with them, they'll do it.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

It's like saying "but if you do capitalism harder, the problem capitalism made will go away" no the fuck they won't. It won't solve people's wages, it won't solve climate change, it will not solve the homeless crisis, it won't solve the two tiered education system, or the two tiered healthcare system, or even the two tiered justice system.
Because that's what we have. Either your rich, get to live longer because you can afford the healthcare, and have some rich buddy who can help get you a degree. People's lives for the bottom 90% has fucking decreased in the age of modern medicine, because nobody can afford it. while the top 10 and 1% their live expectancy has gone up. And people have to take student loans because there is no Viable options that doesn't involve getting so heavily out priced that your forced into student loan debt.

Ontop of by the way, rich people dealing with pratically nothing fines because their profits are so high. While the bottom 90% if they get any high fine, that's game.


Oh and also the fact that capitalists are trying to say that because people live longer, they should work longer

Which if you realized that it's not the case for the bottom 90% of people. You'd realize it's just an excuse to keep wages down, and keep people working like busy little worker bees for much longer. Gen z if nothing changes, is the generation that likely will never be able to retire.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Yeah, because it's run by a dictator who will never allow any real opposition to gain any power.

Careful what you wish for. The opposition in Russia is not what people think it is. More hardline than Putin, communists and others. "Liberals" (as in the US) are a minority.

Putin's own comments on the matter prove me right. He dropped the facade long ago, it's pathetic that you aren't willing to do the same.

If it helps you to personify evil, go ahead.

Already done, it was more or less annexed by Russia years back when Trump pulled troops out of the region to go protect Saudi oil fields instead.

No, the US is annexing 1/3 of Syria. Syria keeps complaining at the UN, saying that the US is stealing Syrian oil. Get off your high horse. I´m neither American nor Russian, but Americans have no leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about war.

 

[TraderPatTX]

except the market is surprise, influenced by lobbyists.
Aka
The market current winners primary goal is to prevent ANY change, through whatever means necessary, including but not limited to throwing immense amounts of cash behind someone who works for their special interests in the government, aka lobbying.

And you know this how?

So "the market will dictate which direction we go" is a nothing burger answer, because it's already apart of how we got here in the first place. Because the market isn't people focused, it's profit focused. And if it's profitable to keep people on a declining industry and make the world burn with them, they'll do it.

Of course it's profit focused. Do you think people are gonna work for free? Do you people even understand how economics works in the real world or you honestly believe the circle jerk theories you learned in class actually work?

 

[Xzi]

Entire state deemed uninsurable due to the effects of climate change. "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas," said one local Florida man. More news at 11.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

Entire state deemed uninsurable due to the effects of climate change. "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas," said one local Florida man. More news at 11.

Much of Florida was deemed un-insurable due to being in a flood plan.

People bought cheap land and built there because it was cheap as no one wanted to build there. Surprisingly the areas flooded destroying people's homes and businesses. The Government decided we can't let that happened and is funding insurance themselves. Thus saving people from their terrible decisions.

 

[Xzi]

Careful what you wish for. The opposition in Russia is not what people think it is. More hardline than Putin, communists and others. "Liberals" (as in the US) are a minority.

Well no shit, Putin already poisoned and jailed all the reasonable opposition. What opponents he has that still remain free are much more likely to resort to car bombs and such. That's called reaping what you sow.

If it helps you to personify evil, go ahead.

Imperialism is evil, yes. Putin puts a modern face to it, but it was just as evil when the Bush administration engaged in it.

Americans have no leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about war.

On the contrary, it's most important for citizens of warmongering nations to stand against it in protest and active resistance. Just as many Russian citizens are doing right now, though it seems you'd rather silence their voices in favor of the masses who fear Putin.

 

[City]

Update: tonight was cold, fall is coming, parents are bitching about heating already. Might need to bring them home sooner than I thought. FML.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Well no shit, Putin already poisoned and jailed all the reasonable opposition. What opponents he has that still remain free are much more likely to resort to car bombs and such. That's called reaping what you sow.

You now nothing about Russia. "Liberals" have never been a threat to Putin. E.g. Navalny got popular by exposing (or claiming; I can´t varify the claims) corruption in the government. But regarding his political views, he would be considered a right-wing extremist in Europe and the US.

I don´t want to silence anyone. But before you criticize other countries, perhaps you should first make your own country stop illegal wars and occupations.

 

[City]

Russia shut down the main tube that gives Europe its gas, claiming "malfunctions", and that they have no date on whether it will be fixed.

This is important news because:

- Russia has literally nothing left to use as leverage
- If Europe manages to have less than minor damage from this, Russia is done
- If Europe doesn't manage this issue properly, several thousands will suffer in the cold, but millions will suffer the consequences of companies being unable to sustain themselves with the upcoming spike in prices and resource scarcity

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Russia shut down the main tube that gives Europe its gas, claiming "malfunctions", and that they have no date on whether it will be fixed.

This is important news because:

- Russia has literally nothing left to use as leverage
- If Europe manages to have less than minor damage from this, Russia is done
- If Europe doesn't manage this issue properly, several thousands will suffer in the cold, but millions will suffer the consequences of companies being unable to sustain themselves with the upcoming spike in prices and resource scarcity

Russia had tens of millions of deaths when Hitler attacked and it was not "done". Germans are "done" once the room temperature goes below 20°C.
Russia continues to have its resources as leverage, for about a hundred years.

 

[City]

Russia had tens of millions of deaths when Hitler attacked and it was not "done". Germans are "done" once the room temperature goes below 20°C.
Russia continues to have its resources as leverage, for about a hundred years.

And what is Russia going to do now? What can they threaten us with? Blackmailing us with nukes didn't work, invading Ukraine didn't work, threatening Finland by moving troops didn't work, now they cut off the gas resources. What's left? Nothing.

Maybe they can order to step to Poland and get annhilated by NATO and EU forces, but that's about it.

 

[Xzi]

Navalny got popular by exposing (or claiming; I can´t varify the claims) corruption in the government. But regarding his political views, he would be considered a right-wing extremist in Europe and the US.

So hilariously incorrect. Anybody who's willing to invade neighboring countries on a whim is a right-wing extremist by any standard. If Nalvalny was the same kind of leader, Putin would love him.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

And what is Russia going to do now? What can they threaten us with? Blackmailing us with nukes didn't work, invading Ukraine didn't work, threatening Finland by moving troops didn't work, now they cut off the gas resources. What's left? Nothing.

Russia is going to seperate from the West and turn towards Asia, as it has been doing for about two decades. But now it´s irreversible.

So hilariously incorrect. Anybody who's willing to invade neighboring countries on a whim is a right-wing extremist by any standard. If Nalvalny was the same kind of leader, Putin would love him.

He exposed/declared Putin as corrupt.
Navalny compared Muslim migrants to cockroaches in a youtube video and supported the slogan Russia for Russians. He was also for the integration of break-away regions in Georgia and Moldova into Russia.
The West simply supports him because they see him as a threat to Russia. The West has no problem cooperating with terrorists and Nazis as long as it serves their interests.
I didn´t say Putin was not extremely right-wing. You are inconsistent if you support Navalny. What would you call an anti-immigration person who compares peoples to cockroaches and supports expansionism?

 

[City]

Russia is going to seperate from the West and turn towards Asia, as it has been doing for about two decades. But now it´s irreversible.

Yeah good luck with that. The Chinese government has shown many times that they're afraid of being involved in sanctions. The only two asian countries I see supporting Russia are India and North Korea. The former, despite being rich "on paper", has the majority of its population being poor. Russia is never going to find another economics partner like the EU.

 

[LainaGabranth]

What part of that are you not understanding or agreeing with?

The part where Trader's favorite people, corporations and big banks, get held accountable. God forbid someone on the right ever hold market manipulators accountable for anything.

 

[SyphenFreht]

The part where Trader's favorite people, corporations and big banks, get held accountable. God forbid someone on the right ever hold market manipulators accountable for anything.

Which is hilarious, because a couple weeks ago in one of the locked threads he was whining about all the corporate bootlickers around here like, I can't even fathom the kind of delusional hallucination he lives in on the day to day.

Republicans are supposed to be small government, which is fine as long as there is a clear and distinct separation of government and big corporation, of which there isn't. So now you have Republicans supporting a smaller government in favor of corporate lobbying, which is great if you profit from big corporation. The problem is not everyone can be big corp, therefore not everyone can profit from it. Democrats aren't much better in this regard either, and yet instead of arguing over non bipartisan tactics or installing an equal financial footing for all people, we're instead treated to the rantings of an individual that hates members of his own political party because they don't Republican hard enough

 

[LainaGabranth]

Which is hilarious, because a couple weeks ago in one of the locked threads he was whining about all the corporate bootlickers around here like, I can't even fathom the kind of delusional hallucination he lives in on the day to day.

Yeah it's why a lot of the time I don't really reply to him, because all I have to do is exist and he'll reply with some mentally ill copium.

Republicans are supposed to be small government, which is fine as long as there is a clear and distinct separation of government and big corporation, of which there isn't.

While you're entirely correct, there's a necessary distinction to make imo in that republicans (and conservatives in general, especially the rising far right contingent within them) pretty much write their policies and platforms on vibes. It's why every right wing political position is neurotic, indescribable shit like "family values" and so on. Every one of them have to virtue signal to their constituents about how much they fellate the hypocritical "founding fathers," how an outdated piece of paper governs their lives, their dedication to a religion, and so on and so forth.

It's exceedingly dumb, not to mention ridiculous, that so many people who just kinda believe in whatever the fuck they make up at that moment have arbitrarily decided that all progress is bad, because their misinterpretation of the Bible says so, or because some rich oil baron/energy sector shitdick told them to hold such a stance. Hell, just look at the arguments you hear from the energy lobby against nuclear and green power.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Yeah good luck with that. The Chinese government has shown many times that they're afraid of being involved in sanctions. The only two asian countries I see supporting Russia are India and North Korea. The former, despite being rich "on paper", has the majority of its population being poor. Russia is never going to find another economics partner like the EU.

China is not afraid. It simply does not support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It also has good relationship with Ukraine.