A sealed copy of Super Mario 64 managed to sell for a record-breaking $1.56 million dollars

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Super Mario 64 might be over 25 years old, but the game is still setting records to this day. A sealed copy of the game has just sold for $1.56 million dollars--the most ever for a video game. The reason behind the demand and staggering price of this version of Super Mario 64 was due to its near-immaculate condition. Sealed, and officially rated a 9.8 by grading company Wata Games, meaning it's almost as pristine as the day it left the factory, Heritage Auctions claims that this is the highest-graded copy of Super Mario 64 in the world.

Super Mario 64 - Wata 9.8 A++ Sealed, N64 Nintendo 1996 USA. Well -- we're a bit speechless on this one. What can we even say that would do this copy the justice it deserves? The cultural significance of this title and its importance to the history of video games is paramount, and the condition of this copy is just so breathtaking that we're really at a loss here. If you have had your heart set on obtaining the highest graded copy of the single best-selling video game on the Nintendo 64 -- the first 3D adventure of Nintendo's mascot, Mario -- we only have one piece of advice: this is not an opportunity to waste.



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How the prices and 'value' are determined within comic collecting is understandable. The sealed and graded videogame collecting community is trying to force the same logic onto a different media that doesn't really hold up to even vaguely similar criteria... it's as logical as conspiring to initiate a sealed and graded breakfast cereal collecting community... I guarantee that a still sealed box of Coco-pops, in "straight from the factory" quality, from '97 is more rare than anything mass produced for the N64.

Cereal might be tricky owing to the very limited shelf life but drinks collecting (as in cans) is very much a thing, never mind wine and spirits which has long been accepted to be in the same realms as any other collecting despite any number of blind taste tests and similar such testing trickery having it be undetectable over a cheap bottle of plonk (the usual thing to note is no undergrad research project is going to have thousands for a bottle of the fancy stuff, will have $50 and a dropper of food dye though).
As far as comics or cards or watches or shoes that otherwise get graded, rarity and other factors play into crazy second hand markets to games I reckon I could happily draw a direct line -- you can go after quality (and even without that faded box, no instructions, loose cart vs not that have been a thing since... I don't necessarily know about the N64 but when I was collecting NES games when the NES was still current), rarity, desirability (not necessarily the same as rarity -- devs going on to make other things, certain bugs, quality of base game, story of that particular cart*). Have no idea of the volume of the market, stability (the comics crash was largely seen to happen after the kids that normally bought them got priced out of the market) or other factors that some of the other things are subject to at this point but it is still a rare item no longer produced, subject to aesthetic desirability across a wide range of demographics (including the nostalgia driven "cash to burn" types), is small enough to be trivially transported (paintings are generally a bastard to ship, this comes with its own nice case already), subject to damage and degradation (and pretty commonly at that, and in this case be long before anybody took collecting seriously enough to keep it in air conditioned vault like many more do today**) and thus very happily could be seen among the same types of things more established.

Now I can't imagine going to a convention, museum or show to see this behind glass like I might a painting, a sculpture, that SNES-PS1 prototype, a wine collection or similar, or indeed some of the other weird and wonderful collectible things people have had over the years but eh.

*jewellery is often this if owned by some royalty, high society types (especially notable mistresses thereof) or whatever and have values far higher than a similar piece made from metals and gems dug up yesterday/without the story. I don't know what will go for games here -- signed by the maker is obvious but we have already seen some fashion design types do one off models ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/travis_l/633693734 -- a rhinestone DS made for Nintendo's shop somewhere), and that whole nonsense with the Wii intended for the queen the other month might not have been a thing in that instance but easily could have been. Don't know if controller/game copy owned by esports/competition/speedrun champion will ever be a thing, more likely to see some unrelated celebrity having owned it be more of a thing before then, that or film prop (nes power gloves might get a bit of something today thanks to rare and silly so good for the shelf of interesting things/conversation starters, should you find the power glove(s) used for The Wizard, aka the reason most know what it is today, and have provenance then different matter entirely).

**we are what, 20 years now and 15 at worst since this retro games lark became a notable thing (I was doing it before it was cool, mainly as it was cheap and the games were/are still good, it somewhat rapidly became not cheap and I wandered off) so we see enough people buy collections of what they think will be notable games to match the prices they saw various other things hit. I imagine a few of those will have ended up with a box that was not chucked on the wire frame shelf by a minimum wage teenager, after the palette it came in on was used as a step, whilst also being compressed with shrink wrap and subsequently fumbled by a bunch of children. There is doubtless some investor with the equivalent of https://towardsdatascience.com/what...o-games-compared-to-global-sales-bdf7a395e064 https://towardsdatascience.com/predicting-hit-video-games-with-ml-1341bd9b86b0 but for later years sales prices going on. Indeed most reading this could probably hash out the main rules/variables of such a thing; sales volume, quality, hidden gem status, lawsuits/recall, RPG vs not, sports game rarity in region, bundle games, on Nintendo console or not, kiddy game on xbox and thus hard for set completionists to source, speedrun potential including specific bugs in version, only sold out the back of a given shop... with the only hard variable being whether the 6/10 game will be by a dev that later goes on to rock the world (see prices of king's field before and after dark souls, or generally albums and books by artists and authors that later became super popular) or the game itself is seen as a fundamental stepping stone in innovation.
 

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Being realistic, that exorbitant value points toward a bigger picture. It is not video game collecting that went crazy in value, but art, cards, comics, everything. Also lots of governments are paying negative interests and they keep getting a lot of their titles sold. I believe that for reasons that I am not qualified to answer, the wealth people are desperate to park their money somewhere, and we are screwed that they choose classic gaming as one of their options.
 

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As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it's a completely artificial market (not talking about videogame collecting as a whole, just the sealed & graded subsection).
Pat Contri and Ian Fergusson have had regular slots on their podcast dedicated to the crazy shenanigans... like the sealed and graded Spider-Man for Atari 2600 that sold at auction for over $9k, then subsequent auctions saw similarly graded copies drop to under $3k in a matter of weeks...



Combine the shady practices of the folks at WATA and Heritage Auctions with the elitist mentality of certain people in the scene and you have a shitshow of gigantic proportions that trickles down to regular sellers suddenly thinking that their loose Atari collection will fund their retirement when in actuality it probably wouldn't fund a night out.
 
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I am somewhat dubious, or at least not fully accepting of such claims.

I would be the first to tell you auction prices very much depend upon the people in the room as it were on the day, and have any number of examples of things varying wildly as things float in and out of auctions (plenty of things get liquidated in fairly short order as people need to raise some cash, or people die and nobody wants it, fads in fashion, and that is before we get into the game theory of auctions -- others playing along if you played zelda wind waker and putting in high bids, or have seen those storage unit/locker shows where one group will run up the bids of another to make sure they have less funds later in the day then that, except the sorts of games you play when millions are on the line). Claims of artificially pumped markets is harder to justify. It could certainly be the case, and being a somewhat new market the path is far from well worn which only adds to the fun, though how bad I consider that I don't know (a fool and his money and all that).

Being realistic, that exorbitant value points toward a bigger picture. It is not video game collecting that went crazy in value, but art, cards, comics, everything. Also lots of governments are paying negative interests and they keep getting a lot of their titles sold. I believe that for reasons that I am not qualified to answer, the wealth people are desperate to park their money somewhere, and we are screwed that they choose classic gaming as one of their options.
There is a reason everybody is buying land right now, and you don't want to know what was going on for antiques shops back in 2008. Classic games at graded level as both a store of value and hedge against inflation... guess they have far greater tolerances for volatility than I have.
 

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I 100% think this and the zelda copy are just money laundering schemes. I think I read somewhere that much rarer sealed games (like Little Samson) going for only 400k so this extremely common game going for 1.5mil is highly suspect.
 

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I 100% think this and the zelda copy are just money laundering schemes. I think I read somewhere that much rarer sealed games (like Little Samson) going for only 400k so this extremely common game going for 1.5mil is highly suspect.
I would certainly not bet against it but rarity of base game (rarity of copies at this quality level is a different matter again) is not the only factor -- mario 64 is for many quite a legendary game, the thing that kicked off 3d platform gaming and still something many games are judged against.
Similar idea to the jewellery I mentioned earlier -- plenty of jewellery is worth more than the basic stones and metal because it has a story to go with it. Or if you prefer two identical necklaces get made, one goes to the king of France's mistress, the other to some wife of some basically forgotten duke in a random German state... guess which one goes for more despite being essentially the same. Or go film collecting -- I am sure there is but one copy of someone's home video from the 30s somewhere, going to be far less valuable than some legendary 30s film that there might be some 10 copies remaining for.
 

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In my honest opinion, this is idiotic.
I don't see seller nor buyer as a gamer, but a businessman that see games as any other product to make money of.
Imo gamers should be a family and not sell or buy games for astronomical prices but for symbolical so the game is passed on to ones that want it.

People givving money are in most fault imo but least scummy, and people who sell are most scummy and less in fault.
Why? Well, cause its their item, they can sell it whatever they want for to whoever, but they are scummy cause they can sleep at night knowing they ripped off someone for 1M usd for a piece of plastic that has 0 value other than to real gamers and collectors.

And why are gamers in fault for this but not scummy?
Cause they aren't scummy because they just want to play and complete their collection, but they are at fault because they actually GIVE money to scumbags that asks for 1M!

So yeah.....scalpers, these sellers and other similar people is whats wrong with gaming among other things.
Its because of those people preorders aren't available and old games are more and more rare, cause they bought them all to make a profit!

Imo gamers should be a family and sharing experiences and games among those like them and welcome new ones.


P.S. If you have any other argument against this other than "that's how market works" than please don't expect me to reply, cause i don't reply to scalpers and people who profit on games to be a gazillionare. If you cant sell a game for same but lower price than you bought it, than i see no reason to respond.



Sky is up and ground is down, that's just how it is.

Anyway....these things just piss me off.
But on a bright side, it's nice that these games are preserved!
 

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but they are scummy cause they can sleep at night knowing they ripped off someone for 1M usd for a piece of plastic that has 0 value other than to real gamers and collectors.

Is that not the same for anything?

Diamonds are just carbon.
Gold is a metal with but a handful of industrial users, silver not that much better.
So the above was touched by some descendant of the people with the best army a few hundred years earlier. Big whoop.
Paintings are but paint on canvas or wood or whatever.
Sculptures are but carved marble, cast bronze or whatever.
Wine is but fermented grape juice.
Spirits are but distilled fermented if not grape juice then some other sugary/carbohydrate rich substance.
Comics are but prints on paper.

Most of those you can even replicate with far cheaper means (have shiner stuff than diamonds, gold is a bit harder but not much, my robot can replicate brush strokes these days, no wine really costs more than about $20 to make and most of it can't be told apart in blind taste tests, ditto spirits and even then industrial chemistry can probably take it up a notch, my PDF of a comic is probably far nicer to read...

Similarly gamer is no greater a distinction or barrier to entry than phone user these days.

To that end seems hard to want to be upset because someone decided to spunk a lot of money on something.
 
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I remember the good old days, when I read something like "SUPAH RARE NES STADIUM EVENT SOLD FOR 10k $" or the NWC carts...and somehow I think, that they are worth it...cause you know, they are actually rare items.
 

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Would you rather:

-Pay 200 dollars for a boxed copy of Super Mario 64 in good condition

OR

-Pay 1.56 million dollars for the same thing except the cardboard box has one fewer scratches on it


idk guys seems like a pretty difficult choice to me...

Or pay $175 for the top of the line Everdrive 64 X7 and be able to play pretty much every N64 game ever made.
 

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What a waste of money
Well, that depends... if the person that bought it (or rather, the consortium of individuals that conspired to bid it up that high) are sitting on some boxes of unopened stock that they picked up for peanuts years ago, they may have increased the perceived value of that stock several thousand fold.

The reverse happened with Stadium Events for NES a few years back. A notoriously expensive title that certain gatekeepers in the collecting community traded between themselves to keep the price artificially high got fucked over by a decent collector (believe his name is Tim Atwood if my memory serves) that had been sitting on shipping cartons of brand new stock and decided to sell some.
 
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if mario64 has this imagine someone selling a 9.8 conker bad fur day lol, mario 64 is the most common game out there for the n64.
 

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heya, what good is a sealed US copy without a sealed PAL copy to go with it, dont worry buyer ill do you a solid and sell you it for a nice flat 1 mil^_^
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but to rebuke some of the salty complaints "oh Mario 64 sold millions of copies", yeah true, but probably at least 70% of those were pack in carts bundled with the console, then you have at least 3 different regions to split those sales across, but then it gets a bit more complicated, because typically collectors prefer to collect 1st print copies as opposed to players choice copies, due to Mario 64 being a pack in launch title it hit the players choice milestone pretty quickly, so when you factor in the pack in vs retail boxed copies, the EU/US/JAP split, the players choice silver boxes vs first run box originals then still factory sealed vs open your already down from the 12 million possible copies down to probably a few thousand at most probably more like a few hundred sealed first run copies

that's not to say its not over priced I have seen sealed copies sell for much less, but its dumb to say "urrrgh you can get a $5 cart on eBay", yes everyone knows that, you're saying the obvious, but some people specifically WANT a sealed copy and are willing to pay much more to get their hands on one as they are hard to come across, and the better the condition the more they typically sell for right up until you find the most mint pristine copy which will command the highest price, its again, just basic supply and demand that dictates the prices of things, your tatty old cart is not worth $100,000 because there is millions of tatty old carts all over eBay, more than enough supply to fill the demand, likewise there is a lot less demand for sealed copies, BUT there is a much much lower supply of them to fill the demand so the price is higher

but all that said, yeah it wouldn't surprise me that this specific sale was part of some other deal designed to legitimise the transaction
 
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