San Francisco brands NRA a domestic terrorist organization

[GBADWB]

blaming the left also isn't going to get anywhere as well. Shootings happen because of the extreme gap between the far left and the far right, and media as a whole fearmongering people. This is why I'd rather regulate, or rather, keep watch of after market sales and transfers. It does not infringe on a persons rights to own a gun as no arm was banned. Punishing negligent owners is also interpreted in the 2nd amendment with the clause "well regulated militia." A person who can't keep track of their own weapons is not fit to own them.

 

[tinkle]

Calling a movement literally called "Anti Fascism" a terrorist group, that's rich babyboydoll, but the facts here are simple: gun laws save lives. No other 1st World country has shootings on the scale as the US, and most (Australia being a prime example,) have severely restrictive gun control. It's not a coincidence.

 

[Xzi]

blaming the left also isn't going to get anywhere as well. Shootings happen because of the extreme gap between the far left and the far right, and media as a whole fearmongering people. This is why I'd rather regulate, or rather, keep watch of after market sales and transfers. It does not infringe on a persons rights to own a gun as no arm was banned. Punishing negligent owners is also interpreted in the 2nd amendment with the clause "well regulated militia." A person who can't keep track of their own weapons is not fit to own them.

I constantly hear the argument that "if we didn't have guns, people would just use vehicles for mass killings." So I never understood why we don't simply regulate the ownership and operation of guns in the exact same way we do the ownership and operation of vehicles. Licensing and per-gun registration that have to be renewed at regular intervals, the whole nine yards. It'd be far easier to track who is and isn't a responsible gun owner that way.

 

[Rolf12]

Calling a movement literally called "Anti Fascism" a terrorist group, that's rich babyboydoll, but the facts here are simple: gun laws save lives. No other 1st World country has shootings on the scale as the US, and most (Australia being a prime example,) have severely restrictive gun control. It's not a coincidence.

What the movement labelled terrorist calls itself, has that any relevance?
I agree with you apart from that. Guns kill people, laws don't

 

[morvoran]

I guess nobody here has ever heard of "personal responsibility"? It's a shame that the NRA is being used as a scapegoat to blame them for our societal problems and distract people from the real issues.

People only tend to care when innocent people get shot, not people affiliated with gangs and/or hard drug dealers.

Yeah, tell that to the families without mothers that were shot trying to stop gang violence in their neighborhood. I guess they were a "gang of mammas", huh? Oh, wait, in your book, this was their fault. Here's that story.

The shootings in Ohio and El Paso were kind of outliers in that they've actually got people fed up with this shit and pushing for change.

Because their favorite propaganda news opinion sources told them to be upset. Funny how you never hear much about all the other mass shootings that happened before or after those two. Heck, you didn't hear much about the Ohio mass shooter as much as the el paso shooting either. I wonder why??? Oh, maybe because he was a left leaning psycho.

Yeah, damn that liberal Texas having so many shootings recently!

Hmm,
El Paso, Tx - murder rate per 100,000 for 2019 = 2.76
Chicago, IL - murder rate per 100,000 for 2019 = 24.13

Yeah, that conservative town of El Paso needs all our attention. They need strict gun laws like Chicago, so they can raise their score....OK

blaming the left also isn't going to get anywhere as well.

No, blaming them won't help. Removing them from power is what needs to be done. People need to open their eyes and see who is really against them and remove the trash that leads them.

media as a whole fearmongering people.

You see it a lot more from liberal media. Fox News, for example, only fearmongers about the destruction caused by the left which can be proven with evidence.

Calling a movement literally called "Anti Fascism" a terrorist group, that's rich babyboydoll

Yeah, so is calling themselves intolerant of the intolerant or haters of the haters. It is ironic to say you're "anti-fascism", but then use violence and mob rule to silence the opinions of others. Hmmm, who does that? Oh, yeah, fascists do that.

gun laws save lives

Ok, tell that to the people in Chicago that has the strictest gun laws in the US.

No other 1st World country has shootings on the scale as the US

No other 1st world country has as high a population or more densely populated cities than the US or the level of poverty.

I constantly hear the argument that "if we didn't have guns, people would just use vehicles for mass killings."

How about using knives? Look at the increase in knife related killings in London. There was a mass killing where the killer used knives in California weeks ago. I hate using CNN as a source, but that's the only source you listen to.

Guns kill people, laws don't

Yeah, I'm tired of seeing guns floating around by themselves killing people everyday. I saw a group of guns hanging out in front of a store the other day, I walked across the street to avoid them. One time, I was mugged by a gun and after I handed it my wallet, the damn thing stabbed me with a knife. I couldn't believe it.

Give me a break, guns are only a tool. They are not sentient. They are not capable of causing harm to others by themselves. Look up "personal responsibility", this is the problem with gun violence. Nobody has any anymore. It's so much easier to blame other people or things than to accept that themselves are the problem.

 

[Rolf12]

Give me a break, guns are only a tool. They are not sentient. They are not capable of causing harm to others by themselves. Look up "personal responsibility", this is the problem with gun violence. Nobody has any anymore. It's so much easier to blame other people or things than to accept that themselves are the problem.

Guns are tools sure. What are hammers for? Hitting nails. How many nails are hit without hammers? Not so many.
People are of course crazy to various degrees. Also in countries with tight gun control. Such as here. They just don't have so many opportunities to spray paint the local store with a semi-auto. Or the local food fest. So they don't. Isn't that a nice thing? Some crazy dude faked a kick at me while drove through town on a bicycle. No gun access means that's what he can spend his days doing. No guns no cry. I don't get why people don't get that. Is it because they don't want to?

 

[chrisrlink]

problem is taking away gun rights is a stupid idea to an extent if you do,people will rebel against the US government and try to take over also there is other ways to kill people (knives even snapping necks with a criminal's bare hands) but the most important part the NRA would be a terrorist influance if guns are 100% taken away

 

[Subtle Demise]

What the idiots in charge of that city fail to realize is that the NRA does almost zero to protect gun rights. They have not only rolled over for, but actually endorsed every major gun control legislation to date. I would advise anyone who's a dues-paying member of the NRA to support a different lobbying group if they don't want to be disarmed in a few years.

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Calling a movement literally called "Anti Fascism" a terrorist group, that's rich babyboydoll, but the facts here are simple: gun laws save lives. No other 1st World country has shootings on the scale as the US, and most (Australia being a prime example,) have severely restrictive gun control. It's not a coincidence.

Were the National Socialists really socialists? Is the People's Republic of China actually a republic for the people? Trump calls himself The Chosen One, does that make it true?

 

[Rolf12]

problem is taking away gun rights is a stupid idea to an extent if you do,people will rebel against the US government and try to take over also there is other ways to kill people (knives even snapping necks with a criminal's bare hands) but the most important part the NRA would be a terrorist influance if guns are 100% taken away

Think so? I think and hope you overestimate the number of people crazy about guns.

Then again this is a problem so local to US. And the climate will kill us anyway.

Edit: knives and fists kill one person at a time and does not generate fear to the same extent.

 

[tinkle]

No other 1st world country has as high a population or more densely populated cities than the US

Wow. I knew the US education system was bad, but just... wow.

 

[morvoran]

Guns are tools sure. What are hammers for? Hitting nails. How many nails are hit without hammers? Not so many.

You just helped prove my case. Guns we're not invented to kill people, they were meant to make hunting food easier. Then they were meant for protection. No gun manufacturer produces guns intentionally for use in killing people other than those meant for military.

If I didn't have a hammer close by, I have used pliers, wrenches, boards, etc to hit nails. Almost any tool can be used for purposes other than what they were intended for.

If you had a bunch of people close by, like in a night club where it's dark and noisy, how many people do you think you could stab to death before anybody notices? Quite a few, I'd bet. Maybe we need more knife laws, or hammer laws, or hand laws.

 

[Xzi]

Yeah, tell that to the families without mothers that were shot trying to stop gang violence in their neighborhood. I guess they were a "gang of mammas", huh? Oh, wait, in your book, this was their fault. Here's that story.

I didn't say it was right, I just said that's how it is. There are too many shootings in the US to keep track of, and a lot of people already think the news spends too much time covering shootings.

Because their favorite propaganda news opinion sources told them to be upset.

Hardly anybody under the age of 50 even watches cable news any more, I think you're severely overestimating how much influence they have. In the same way, the NRA is growing old and more irrelevant, so the public calling for change is finally starting to have more impact (at least on a local/state level).

Yeah, that conservative town of El Paso needs all our attention. They need strict gun laws like Chicago, so they can raise their score....OK

Universal background checks would have prevented at least one of Texas' two recent mass shootings, so yeah, they need common sense gun laws just as much as the rest of the nation. Your callous indifference is noted though.

How about using knives? Look at the increase in knife related killings in London. There was a mass killing where the killer used knives in California weeks ago.

America already has a knife crime problem in addition to a gun crime problem. And besides, I'm not pitching to ban guns, just to better regulate their sale and use, so it's really irrelevant.

 

[morvoran]

Wow. I knew the US education system was bad, but just... wow.

Oh, good argument against my point there. Instead of proving me wrong, you just throw an insult. I bet you win all your debates

 

[tinkle]

Oh, good argument against my point there. Instead of proving me wrong, you just throw an insult. I bet you win all your debates

Nobody wins in an argument against the alt-right like yourself, tbh. You're a walking example of Poe's Law.

 

[Rolf12]

You just helped prove my case. Guns we're not invented to kill people, they were meant to make hunting food easier. Then they were meant for protection. No gun manufacturer produces guns intentionally for use in killing people other than those meant for military.

If I didn't have a hammer close by, I have used pliers, wrenches, boards, etc to hit nails. Almost any tool can be used for purposes other than what they were intended for.

If you had a bunch of people close by, like in a night club where it's dark and noisy, how many people do you think you could stab to death before anybody notices? Quite a few, I'd bet. Maybe we need more knife laws, or hammer laws, or hand laws.

Just like mentioned above, someone saying something does not make it true. I feel you are really stretching it me proving your point. How good would your nails be hit with pliers? Not very effectively. And someone would soon have pity and ask you to stop.

Guns were invented for potential violence. And no other personal weapon has such potential for it, at such scale. Why do people want to limit the amount of nukes? They are just for protection. Ask Iran, or Israel. The just wanna hang out.

There are knife laws as well. At least here. And not particularly many stabbings either. Someone did go wild with a fork last year though. It was under control in decent time. Not many people were scraped.

 

[morvoran]

I didn't say it was right, I just said that's how it is. There are too many shootings in the US to keep track of, and a lot of people already think the news spends too much time covering shootings.

Oh, that's right. To democrats, black on black crime is just an everyday thing, nothing to see here folks. Move along. Oh wait.... a white guy just looked at a mexican wrong!!! Get him!!!!

Hardly anybody under the age of 50 even watches cable news any more

That's why I said "sources". I know you just woke up, but try to pay attention.

In the same way, the NRA is growing old and more irrelevant

So you agree they shouldn't be labeled a "domestic terrorist organization"?

Universal background checks would have prevented at least one of Texas' two recent mass shootings

Pure speculation based on your "feelings". You can't prove that. It COULD have prevented one, not would. He could have found a gun somewhere else.

America already has a knife crime problem in addition to a gun crime problem.

So where's all this "knive control" legislation? You aren't taking my steak knives away from me.

Nobody wins in an argument against the alt-right like yourself, tbh. You're a walking example of Poe's Law.

Not when your only retort is insults or calling them Nazis. Try a different tactic. You lefties already used up the word "racist" making it meaningless.

Just like mentioned above, someone saying something does not make it true.

I feel you are really stretching it me proving your point. How good would your nails be hit with pliers? Not very effectively.

Uh, ditto.

Guns were invented for potential violence.

Wrong. They were invented to improve on the sharpened stick, spear, bow and arrow, etc to make hunting easier just as with most technology is created to make life easier.
Edit: unless you're a vegan, then I could see where you're coming from. They were meant for potential violence against food (or animals as you might call them).

 

[tinkle]

Not when your only retort is insults or calling them Nazis. Try a different tactic. You lefties already used up the word "racist" making it meaningless.

I don't think words describing systemic imbalance and privilege have any expiration date bar the injustice seeking to be. You're what, 12? So we have another 70 years before the alt-right dies off? I can wait.

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They were invented to improve on the sharpened stick, spear, bow and arrow, etc to make hunting easier

Incorrect. Guns were created for warfare - actually, more-or-less, as a way for peasants to be armed quickly and easily with minimal training unlike an archer who might need to hone their skills for a lifetime.

 

[morvoran]

I don't think words describing systemic imbalance and privilege have any expiration date bar the injustice seeking to be. You're what, 12? So we have another 70 years before the alt-right dies off? I can wait.

A word can become meaningless when everybody uses that word to describe everybody else.
It won't matter after 2024 when Trump leaves office. That's when we will go back to the status quo and all the BETAS take over again.

Incorrect. Guns were created for warfare - actually, more-or-less, as a way for peasants to be armed quickly and easily with minimal training unlike an archer who might need to hone their skills for a lifetime.

Oh, so you can say more than insults. Good Job.
Sure the Chinese invented the first so-called "gun" that was more of a small canon and was used in battle, but that can be debated as to being an actual gun or not. They were tested on living creatures before being used in battles, and those creatures were not humans. Those creatures were, most likely, used for food.

 

[Xzi]

Oh, that's right. To democrats, black on black crime is just an everyday thing, nothing to see here folks. Move along. Oh wait.... a white guy just looked at a mexican wrong!!! Get him!!!!

Yeah okay bud. To Republicans, "fatherless black guys" are responsible for 100% of crime, gun-related or not. Holding black communities up exclusively as a scapegoat does nothing to address the larger problem of gun violence in the US.

That's why I said "sources". I know you just woke up, buy try to pay attention.

And? You think reading a single article online is enough to brainwash people into pushing for change they don't want? Grow up.

So you agree they shouldn't be labeled a "domestic terrorist organization"?

I said that in the first reply to this thread. They're not a terrorist organization, but neither do they deserve tax exempt status.

Pure speculation based on your "feelings". You can't prove that. It COULD have prevented one, not would. He could have found a gun somewhere else.

True, but then at least we would've taken an illegal seller off the streets. If we were to regulate guns like vehicles, the shooter never would've been able to obtain a license to own guns in the first place.

So where's all this "knive control" legislation? You aren't taking my steak knives away from me.

We already have knife control laws. You can't carry a knife beyond a certain length in most places, and in others knives aren't allowed at all. The comparison is really moronic though. You can't kill/wound 20+ people in a matter of thirty seconds with a knife. It's also far easier for the police or other civilians to subdue a knife attacker.

 

[morvoran]

To Republicans, "fatherless black guys" are responsible for 100% of crime, gun-related or not. Holding black communities up exclusively as a scapegoat does nothing to address the larger problem of gun violence in the US.

More speculation. Can you prove they are not responsible? I would speculate that no republican has ever said they are responsible for 100% of the crime.
Nobody is holding them as scapegoats for the larger problem, but crime statistics show that black men are responsible for over 50% of the murders in the US. (Source: FBI Crime Statistics for 2017)
Those are not my personal "hateful sentiments", but facts shown through data collection. Not all of them are gun related violence either, but murders/mass shootings in the black communities are usually listed as "gang violence".
This way, Democrats can go against gun violence/mass shootings without seeming like they're outright racists attacking the black communities. Dems need their votes to stay in power.

And? You think reading a single article online is enough to brainwash people into pushing for change they don't want? Grow up.

And? You not reading or misunderstanding what I wrote is enough to brainwash you to thinking I implied all sources are "cable news". Wake up.

True, but then at least we would've taken an illegal seller off the streets. If we were to regulate guns like vehicles, the shooter never would've been able to obtain a license to own guns in the first place.

Wrong, more speculation. Come on, "man?", at least try to use a little logic in your replies. how would that take an illegal seller off the streets?
Why don't we regulate knives like vehicles as well. My fists have been known as "lethal weapons", too. Should I register them also?

We already have knife control laws. You can't carry a knife beyond a certain length in most places, and in others knives aren't allowed at all. The comparison is really moronic though. You can't kill/wound 20+ people in a matter of thirty seconds with a knife.

You don't know what anybody is capable of. I already used the "dark, noisy night club" scenario as a possible example of a large group of people being killed by knives.