Hacking CONFIRMED: No roadblocks for 7.0.1 Support on SXOS

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Why It Took Me So Long:

Starting Point: 6.0.1 Switch, SX/OS

1. Identified a need to upgrade my Switch from 6.0.1 to 6.2
2. Researched how to do so safely (offline) - ChoiDuJour NX - read multiple guides: 1 hour
3. Located and installed Choi + reliable source of 6.2 firmware: +1 hour
4. Checked I had a NAND backup of 6.0.1 - yep, just a bit old. Missing 1 save game and some title installs. Better back up the save game just in case. Research that = Checkpoint = +1 hour. Not quite sure if it worked or not, but if I lose it, so be it.
5. Used Choi to update firmware - 15 minutes.
6. Reboot. Check firmware version: "A system update is waiting". Hmmm, better install that.
D'oh - at 7.0.1.

OK, so here's an opportunity to switch from SX/OS to Atmosphere and try it out.

7. Better backup NAND again in case something goes majorly wrong again. +2 hours.
8. Let's have a look at the 6.0.1 NAND backup I had. Restored. +1 hour. Decided I didn't like the missing save game + the missing installed games. OK. Restore the 7.0.1 NAND and let's try getting Atmosphere working. +1 hour.

9. Research installing stock Atmosphere. Conflicting guides. Some refer to Kosmos. Not sure about that. Go to the source - GitHub - get files for stock Atmosphere and install to mSD. Better use the exact payload method mentioned in the most reliable guides; get TegraRCMGui + Hekate 4.91. +1 hour.
10. Now I have a working stock Atmosphere. Will it also boot with the SX dongle chainloading? Yes. Good.

11. Check to see what runs. Hombrew - yep. NSPs - nope. Installed XCIs - nope. Research some more. Need sigpatches. Many guides suggest a Kosmos build. Still not sure about the bloat. Prefer to understand what I'm installing. Eventually came to trust the "sweet" sigpatches here. Installed. +1 hour.

12. Now what runs? Homebrew = yep. NSPs = yep. Installed XCIs = nope.

13. Guess I'll need to reinstall the XCIs from NSPs. Better get a title installer. Should I get Tinfoil - nope, says it's not maintained and to use GoldLeaf. No mention on the GoldLeaf GitHub of which firmware versions it supports. Quick Googling doesn't show up any issues. Try GoldLeaf installing a new .NSP. Crashes the system. Try a few more. Crash the system. Note the nice reboot into Payload from Atmosphere - I like that.

14. So, at this point I have functioning installed NSPs, non functioning installed XCIs (200Gb worth) and no functioning installer. Also had issues with FTP not working well which I didn't have with SX/OS.

15. Decide the best solution for now is to go back to 6.2 and SX/OS. Done tinkering for now. Will try again when the need is more pressing. The 6.2 SX/OS setup works just fine and I now also have a functional Atmosphere installation with SigPatches. Switching between 6.2 and 7.01 is now fast with Choi instead of NAND backup/restore, so lots of progress was made and I learned a lot. Next attempt will be more efficient *because* of what I learned during this process.

16. Will uninstall the XCIs and reinstall them from NSPs using a different installer in due course now that this thread has (robustly) indicated that that will work.

Lot of dumb going on here.

1-3. If you were running Atmo, you could have just updated via system settings without using Choi. Learning that Choi exists and how to use it/where to grab the firmware does not take a competent person an hour. Maybe 15 minutes. There is no need for multiple guides. The app is simple and self-explanatory.

4. You do not need to make constant NAND backups. One is enough. Running an OFW update isn't going to kill your system in any realistic situation.

5. You are just making shit up now. Choi installs firmware in under 5 minutes start to finish.

6. Oops. Fortunately, not a real problem since we can boot 7.X.

7. Again, no need.

8. Again, no need.

9. You extract three zip files. This is not a complicated process. One with a clue does not need guides to explain to them what a zip is and how to extract it.

11. Installed XCI conversions will run with FS patches, which are on this very site: https://gbatemp.net/threads/i-heard-that-you-guys-need-some-sweet-patches-for-atmosphere.521164/

12. This doesn't sound truthful to me. 7.X will accept any non-horrible XCI conversion. 4NXCI conversions of semi-recent vintage are fine. I am not aware of anyone that uses SX's XCI-to-NCA installer thing, but I seriously doubt it's pumping out garbage output. If it is doing that, however, you'd have the same problem on SXOS 7.X if it were to exist. The problem you'd be running into is newer Nintendo firmware being more picky.

13. It is on you to be mildly competent. Everywhere, as far as you can see, it says 'Use Lithium or Nintendo Dev Menu'. You not heeding that advice is on you.

14. Again, you are clearly not competent enough for piracy.

15. Jesus......what a joke.
 
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So, SX OS aus dead?

I see no reason to suspect otherwise. Sept has been available for stealing for weeks now. SX opts not to, seemingly because they can't stomach the splash and (obviously) do not have the technical ability to find the exploit(s) used to attack TSEC.

SXOS has seemingly been dead for far longer than Atmosphere's 7.X update has been available, though. There are good features in prior Atmosphere versions that never got added to SXOS. Stuff like the payload self-injector and the AutoRCM protection.
 

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Lot of dumb going on here.


13. It is on you to be mildly competent. Everywhere, as far as you can see, it says 'Use Lithium or Nintendo Dev Menu'. You not heeding that advice is on you.

14. Again, you are clearly not competent enough for piracy.

blahblah don't you think this is why some people bought SX because it works nearly straight out of the box. With Atmos it's not so straight forward and for whatever reason some switch users are not competent to do this or they don't want to spend time and effort learning all this and keeping up to date with the l8st util so a game will work (tin foil. gold leaf, lithium) . TX with SX provide a quicker and easier solution.

Like I've said before I would have recommended friends i know to buy SX because I know they are not competent to use Atmos and I would have been pestered to update it and sort any problems out :sad: but their switches are patched and at the mo unless Tx update I wouldn't recommend SX to anyone.
 

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blahblah don't you think this is why some people bought SX because it works nearly straight out of the box. With Atmos it's not so straight forward and for whatever reason some switch users are not competent to do this or they don't want to spend time and effort learning all this and keeping up to date with the l8st util so a game will work (tin foil. gold leaf, lithium) . TX with SX provide a quicker and easier solution.

Like I've said before I would have recommended friends i know to buy SX because I know they are not competent to use Atmos and I would have been pestered to update it and sort any problems out :sad: but their switches are patched and at the mo unless Tx update I wouldn't recommend SX to anyone.

I get that, but I just don't agree with it. I don't see a gap in difficulty between SXOS and Kosmos. Both can be explained in a YouTube video months ago and the steps shown in the guide would work today. Except SXOS wouldn't work for a user on 7.X.

Configuring raw, Github Atmopshere does involve extracting more stuff to mSD than the SXOS zip, but extracting Kosmos and extracting SXOS are the same task with the same level of (not) difficulty.
 

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blahblah don't you think this is why some people bought SX because it works nearly straight out of the box. With Atmos it's not so straight forward and for whatever reason some switch users are not competent to do this or they don't want to spend time and effort learning all this and keeping up to date with the l8st util so a game will work (tin foil. gold leaf, lithium) . TX with SX provide a quicker and easier solution.

Like I've said before I would have recommended friends i know to buy SX because I know they are not competent to use Atmos and I would have been pestered to update it and sort any problems out :sad: but their switches are patched and at the mo unless Tx update I wouldn't recommend SX to anyone.
The Kosmos pack is drag and drop on sd and you are ready to go, everything Atmosphere has to offer plus all the needed to play backups, and there's a Freeshop out there, it install direct on console.
 
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...this is why some people bought SX because it works nearly straight out of the box
It was also first to market... but pragmatism is not allowed here. Only absolute devotion to the ONE TRUE FIRMWARE (TM) cult.

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I get that, but I just don't agree with it. I don't see a gap in difficulty between SXOS and Kosmos. Both can be explained in a YouTube video months ago and the steps shown in the guide would work today. Except SXOS wouldn't work for a user on 7.X.

Configuring raw, Github Atmopshere does involve extracting more stuff to mSD than the SXOS zip, but extracting Kosmos and extracting SXOS are the same task with the same level of (not) difficulty.

I remember reading a thread the other day, i think it was about a game or update that would not work\install and the answer was to use the night build of one of the atmos installers (tinfoil, gold leaf or lithium) not a problem to many on here but for some it would be, you would have to be on this forum daily or weekly to keep up to date with the l8st updates to Atmos or the many utils it uses.

while with SX you just copy and over write the boot.dat on your SD card and your good to go.

I've been using backups since the Snes with the MGH and SWC and I use SX because it was first to offer a complete package. I still use it because even thou i waste time on here defending SX and I could have used Atmos but SX is easy to use and I dont need to worry about using all the different utils for Atmos.

but in the last 8 months Atmos has grown from using layered FS which didn't work all the time with all the games to the more user friendly and stable CFW it is now, with the help of you and other Devs.

I can see many Sx users moving over to Atmos because of the delay with 7.x for SX and probably everyone will move over in the next few weeks when games that need 7.X are released if they don't release soon.
 

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I remember reading a thread the other day, i think it was about a game or update that would not work\install and the answer was to use the night build of one of the atmos installers (tinfoil, gold leaf or lithium) not a problem to many on here but for some it would be, you would have to be on this forum daily or weekly to keep up to date with the l8st updates to Atmos or the many utils it uses.

while with SX you just copy and over write the boot.dat on your SD card and your good to go.

I've been using backups since the Snes with the MGH and SWC and I use SX because it was first to offer a complete package. I still use it because even thou i waste time on here defending SX and I could have used Atmos but SX is easy to use and I dont need to worry about using all the different utils for Atmos.

but in the last 8 months Atmos has grown from using layered FS which didn't work all the time with all the games to the more user friendly and stable CFW it is now, with the help of you and other Devs.

I can see many Sx users moving over to Atmos because of the delay with 7.x for SX and probably everyone will move over in the next few weeks when games that need 7.X are released if they don't release soon.

Whatever you read is not exactly right. The Nintendo Dev Menu app will install any valid NSP. Lithium will install any valid NSP. The CFW itself has nothing to do with NSP installation outside of enabling homebrew to run in the first place.

You are talking about Goldleaf not working on 7.X (but the nightly does, kind of) which has nothing to do with Atmosphere. It's one installer of many and the issues are 7.X issues, not Atmosphere issues. Nintendo changed stuff and that stuff just happened to break most old title installers. If an SXOS update for 7.X were out, Goldleaf would behave identically under SXOS as it does under Atmo.

With Kosmos, you extract a zip to mSD and are ready to go. A working title installer for 7.x and below is included.
 
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Whatever you read is not exactly right. The Nintendo Dev Menu app will install any valid NSP. Lithium will install any valid NSP. The CFW itself has nothing to do with NSP isntallation.

You are talking about Goldleaf not working on 7.X (but the nightly does, kind of) which has nothing to do with Atmosphere. It's one installer of many and the issues are 7.X issues, not Atmosphere issues. The same issues would occur on any other 7.X CFW.

With Kosmos, you extract a zip to mSD and are ready to go. A working title installer for 7.x and below is included.
ive been using tinfoil on 7.0 with no issues for a while, granted i network install all my nsps so maybe that's why im having better luck
 

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It was also first to market... but pragmatism is not allowed here. Only absolute devotion to the ONE TRUE FIRMWARE (TM) cult.

it was the first one you could easily use that worked, you only need to go and look back at the posts on here from June last year to see how many respected or knowledgeable members made posts on here about their tracking info for their SX pro, Even some mods on here bought it. :)
 

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Whatever you read is not exactly right. The Nintendo Dev Menu app will install any valid NSP. Lithium will install any valid NSP. The CFW itself has nothing to do with NSP installation outside of enabling homebrew to run in the first place.

You are talking about Goldleaf not working on 7.X (but the nightly does, kind of) which has nothing to do with Atmosphere. It's one installer of many and the issues are 7.X issues, not Atmosphere issues. Nintendo changed stuff and that stuff just happened to break most old title installers. If an SXOS update for 7.X were out, Goldleaf would behave identically under SXOS as it does under Atmo.

With Kosmos, you extract a zip to mSD and are ready to go. A working title installer for 7.x and below is included.

yes sorry I know that I should have made my post clearer :). but with SX i could use their built in installer or just use a XCI and no need for any installer.
 
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