Hacking Discussion Where is SX OS and 7.0-1 Support?
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It violates the DMCA because it bypasses the signature check, that is the purpose of the DMCA.
You're making the rookie mistake of assuming that if you break a law then you'll be sued. There is plenty of evidence to disprove that.
How is me telling you the truth about DMCA throwing anyone under the bus? TX obviously don't care about the DMCA, they have to take the consequences of their actions (although at the moment it seems Nintendo don't seem too interested about suing them either).
Whether I or you care about violating the DMCA is irrelevant, I find it weird though that people lie about it to make themselves feel better that it's somehow legal.
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Or just use the SXOS function to copy across XCI's from USB to SD/Internal NAND. Installing is silly!
He hasn’t contributed to anything made by ReSwitched, isn’t on their discord (or he’s never active) and discussion of his sigpatches is banned on the RS discord afaik
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https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/27/9622560/jailbreak-video-game-console-sony-microsoft-dmca
fusee gelee bypasses the switches boot signing, so it's certainly on dodgy ground DMCA wise. But I accept that a court would need to make that decision.
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Right. And if it truly did violate the DMCA. Nintendo would've sent a cease and desist to The-4n by now. My argument still stands.
The reason TX isn't (probably) bring sued right now is because they're good at hiding their tracks. You can't pinpoint where the exact owner is. Thus you don't know who to sue.
Again, provided no proof it violates the DMCA.
Hmm. Fair point. If it was truly against the DMCA though. You would think companies would take more action? They only sue if you're selling jailbroken consoles with pirated games onto it. So why would Rei/ScriesM get sued again?
Well, european courts have ruled that homebrew on consoles are a legitimate use case - as long as no piracy is involved. Flashcarts do both, but Atmosphere itself is not usable for piracy. Thus, at least in europe, Atmosphere would most certainly be 100% legal.
Your argument is weak, people violate laws every day and don't instantly receive cease and desist.
With the DS flash cards they were getting shipments intercepted by customs agents in multiple countries. They seem less bothered about the switch.
Go read the DMCA, I'm not going to educate you on something that seems to be over your head. Bypassing signature checks is certainly going to get you in trouble if it allows anti circumvention of copyright controls.
It would be easy in court to show that you go to the same web site to get atmosphere and the patches. Similar to how some countries allow hydroponics and cannabis seeds to be sold, but you're not allowed to sell both. Don't forget it's what a judge thinks is probable, he doesn't need it proved beyond reasonable doubt as it's not a criminal case.
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Ok. Let me disect them one by one.
1. The-4n has been doing this for 6-9 months now. Surely if it was illegal and this widespread. A cease and desist would've been filed by now.
2. Really? That's your argument. TX would've definitely had their ass slammed by now if they weren't hiding everything.
3. Then how come there hasn't been any reported lawsuits of it then?
My arguments may be weak (according to you). But yours are certainly weaker.
No, there are lots of people who violate copyright laws and DMCA on a daily basis and have never had a cease and desist.
But Nintendo didn't manage to track down the DS flashcart manufacturers either, but they were quite capable of getting customs officers to recognise them and seize them when they were identified.
Where are the 3DS and Wii/WiiU lawsuits? It seems Nintendo aren't particularly interested these days. They spent a lot of money on DS court cases and it didn't make any difference to the availability or the number of game sales, it's essentially a waste of money.
Sony have stopped PS3 and PS4 lawsuits as well, ps3xploit.com would be an easy target for a cease and desist.
Cognitive bias. You don't understand DMCA and have interpreted it based on peoples actions rather than the law.
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So what? As long as this website isn't the one of the Atmosphere developers, I don't think it would matter for atmosphere devs. If you get a bomb building pdf from a website where also a link to the adobe reader is, adobe also wouldn't get in trouble. And it's even more obvious if you consider that if someone provides a crack and the uncracked software + copyright protection, the original copyright holder might get sued by himself?
And, like I said, homebrew alone is fully allowed. Of course you never know how courts rule, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Atmosphere devs would get in any kind of trouble.
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your biased love for TX really shows here~ they really cant do anything wrong in your eyes huh?
Where did I say that? TX is definitely violating the DMCA, so is ReiNX & 4n. gbatemp are probably liable for hosting the patches too.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying and why I'm saying it.
In terms of Atmosphere SciresM claims that distributing the keys is illegal, but you can't copyright keys so they could only be illegal if they were a DMCA violation. In which case atmosphere is also a DMCA violation, I'm not 100% sure but a good lawyer might be able to make a strong case especially in front of a bad judge. But SciresM himself says they are illegal, so that sounds like an admission. If they are illegal numbers then copying and pasting them into the source is just as bad as calculating them at run time.
It looks at the moment like nobody is being sued anyway though.
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The fact is....
People need to justify their money spend, never will look down and admit that they pay for something free, except xci loader, besides that, Atmosphere do everything and more....
People need to justify their money spend, never will look down and admit that they pay for something free, except xci loader, besides that, Atmosphere do everything and more....
Guess I was one of the first to break that trend then.
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Used to be an SX OS user too. Dropped it after 2.0 though.
I don't know if that's true as I haven't spent any money, have you?
Another fact, a lot of people seem angry with what other people spend their money on.
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