About today’s Florida shooting

[TotalInsanity4]

I know very well what it is and the whole argument is bullshit. I can sell or gift a gun I own to another resident of my own State, as a private transaction. It's not interstate commerce, or at least so far they haven't ruled that it is, so it's a legal transaction. If the buyer is actually prohibited from possessing firearms and keeps that a secret from the seller, he has committed a crime. If the seller has reason to believe the buyer is prohibited and sells the gun anyway, they've both committed crimes. But the news media makes it out that because of this 'loophole,' you can buy guns over the internet, like mail order. That's false. If you buy a gun from an internet seller, it will be shipped to an FFL dealer where there will be a background check. And most sellers inside the gun shows this 'loophole' is named for are also FFL's, and they conduct background checks.

I'm not opposed to universal background checks but the whole idea that we need that is just evidence that it's people who have changed and are the cause of the mass shooting issue, not guns. My grandfather bought a shotgun from the Sears & Roebuck catalog when he was 14 and they mailed it to his house. No background checks then, and nobody shooting up a school every few months either.

At the very least, we need to have a way to tie a serial number to a person at all times. Hell, we already do that with cars and VINs, regardless of whether the transaction is private or public. The ONLY reason we don't have a database of gun owners (not even a public one, I'm talking about something a law enforcement agency can use) is because the NRA has lobbied so hard to make sure that all documentation is paper only, and private sales so far have no requirement of filing the change of ownership

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He literally posted his weapons on twitter.

I'm talking broad context here

 

[DeslotlCL]

Funny thing is that this kind of stuff is heard more often coming from the US rather than the rest of america... then, who has the fault? If it were only the fault of mailicious people then we would be hearing about mass shooting ocurring on south america for example more often, but do we? No, not really.

 

[Navonod]

I'm talking broad context here

Trust me if that school was armed well, he'd be less likely to shoot it up. Unless he had a death wish.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Trust me if that school was armed well, he'd be less likely to shoot it up. Unless he had a death wish.

But... should that be a requirement for a school these days?... Be armed to the teeth?

And again, I ask; what happens when
a) an innocent person shoots at the shooter, and no one knows where the initial shot came from and it turns into an all-out firefight, or
b) one of the faculty that's armed with an issued gun goes off the wall and starts shooting, themselves?

 

[Xzi]

Welp, "thoughts and prayers" and all that since we're never actually going to do anything about mass shootings.

 

[Flame]

Trust me if that school was armed well, he'd be less likely to shoot it up. Unless he had a death wish.

so this person must of thought let me kill a dozen people and run to Canada or Mexico and live like a leader team rocket. no chance of me getting caught or getting shot by the police.

nice logic.

 

[Kioku]

Welp, "thoughts and prayers" and all that since we're never actually going to do anything about mass shootings.

Unfortunately, this is true.

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so this person must of thought let me kill a dozen people and run to Canada or Mexico and live like a leader of team rocket boss. no chance of me getting caught or getting shot by the police.

nice logic.

You pulled THAT from his statement? Nice imagination..

 

[Navonod]

But... should that be a requirement for a school these days?... Be armed to the teeth?

And again, I ask; what happens when
a) an innocent person shoots at the shooter, and no one knows where the initial shot came from and it turns into an all-out firefight, or
b) one of the faculty that's armed with an issued gun goes off the wall and starts shooting, themselves?

Cameras would also be necessary. But I don't think people who are trained the right way would be trigger happy with out investigating the situation first. This goes back full circle though. Mental tests and training.

 

[Deleted User]

Trust me if that school was armed well, he'd be less likely to shoot it up. Unless he had a death wish.

Well do we know if the school had any cops or bad behaivor deference systems? Or stuff like this? https://www.vox.com/2016/2/15/10981274/crime-violence-policies-guns

 

[Kioku]

But... should that be a requirement for a school these days?... Be armed to the teeth?

And again, I ask; what happens when
a) an innocent person shoots at the shooter, and no one knows where the initial shot came from and it turns into an all-out firefight, or
b) one of the faculty that's armed with an issued gun goes off the wall and starts shooting, themselves?

Kind of a catch 22. The school doesn't need to be "armed"... Just needs a way to properly defend from these kinds of attacks. It's not something that can wholly be prevented. Unfortunately...

 

[Xzi]

Unfortunately, this is true.

The breaking point should have been Sandy Hook, but there are still morons out there claiming that was a hoax/conspiracy simply because they can't wrap their heads around the mass slaughter of children truly happening. It's only going to get more common as we ignore the mental health crisis in this country and leave the status of fully automatic weapons as easily accessible for anyone in the US.

 

[Navonod]

so this person must of thought let me kill a dozen people and run to Canada or Mexico and live like a leader team rocket. no chance of me getting caught or getting shot by the police.

nice logic.

Says the guy posing as an asshole. Don't quote me anymore unless you have something mildly intelligent to say or you wont get anymore replies from me. Thank you.

 

[Kioku]

The breaking point should have been Sandy Hook, but there are still morons out there claiming that was a hoax/conspiracy simply because they can't wrap their heads around the mass slaughter of children truly happening. It's only going to get more common as we ignore the mental health crisis in this country and leave the status of fully automatic weapons as easily accessible for anyone in the US.

See, I don't get that. Real people died. Real children died.. Yet somehow its a conspiracy? It's a sad state we're in. Not too late to get out I hope.

 

[Navonod]

Well do we know if the school had any cops or bad behaivor deference systems? Or stuff like this? https://www.vox.com/2016/2/15/10981274/crime-violence-policies-guns

Again proper training and proper mental tests. I don't trust any loser with a gun. My self included.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

See, I don't get that. Real people died. Real children died.. Yet somehow its a conspiracy? It's a sad state we're in. Not too late to get out I hope.

Yeah, lots of people just insist these are made up stories. Alex Jones will almost surely explain tomorrow how it was all a ruse, and his supporters will eat it up.

 

[Deleted User]

Unfortunately, this is true.

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You pulled THAT from his statement? Nice imagination..

Dude, stop getting mad and pulling evidence out of nowhere

More guns are not going to reduce homocides my man

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/t...ore-guns-won-t-prevent-mass-shootings-n818126

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, 93 people die a day from gun violence, including 32 murders and 58 suicides. A studyout of Stanford Law School analyzed crime data from 1977 to 2014 and found that areas with more relaxed “right-to-carry” gun laws saw higher rates of violent crime.

“If more guns made America safer, we’d be an awfully safe place,” said University of California Los Angeles law professor Adam Winkler, author of "Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America."

 

[Flame]

You pulled THAT from his statement? Nice imagination..

your talking about my imagination?

said the person who thinks guns will make the world a better place.

Says the guy posing as an asshole. Don't quote me anymore unless you have something mildly intelligent to say or you wont get anymore replies from me. Thank you.

okay snowflake.

here's a fun fact for you snowflake. a snowflake is more likely to kill you in the UK then a gun.

 

[Kioku]

Stahpppppppp

 

[Navonod]

I'm not saying more guns is safe but I do think if they were present in some way then it will be less likely to happen.

 

[Xzi]

Again proper training and proper mental tests. I don't trust any loser with a gun. My self included.

That's kinda the problem though, there are already like 20 guns on the street for every loser in America. The "good guy with a gun" theory has failed us probably a thousand times over the last decade. Escalation as a response just moves society backwards to the Wild West, and shooting casualties rise instead of falling.