Homebrew [33c3] Console Hacking 2016 (3DS/WiiU) talk Dec 27-30: smea, derrek, nedwill, naehrwert

[Joom]

Man oh man... Can the 3DS really be more open than it already is?

Yes. Imagine installing custom firmware on it and having OTA updates for custom firmware like the PSP so we wouldn't have to use third party updaters. Imagine completely custom home menus completely unorthodox from the stock home menu. Imagine installing games and homebrew without the need for a traditional custom firmware. This stuff is big, but we have no way of implementing this stuff currently.

 

[Mrrraou]

Yes. Imagine installing custom firmware on it and having OTA updates for custom firmware like the PSP so we wouldn't have to use third party updaters. Imagine completely custom home menus completely unorthodox from the stock home menu. Imagine installing games and homebrew without the need for a traditional custom firmware. This stuff is big, but we have no way of implementing this stuff currently.

great but actually you still need a custom firmware (+ that's what it is actually) and that actually doesn't change much from now

 

[Deleted User]

I agree with @Joom on the subject. Though I do not understand everything about this, or hacking in general, I do know that this project is more difficult than what was released last year. Last year they practically hand-fed us the information and we built a kernel exploit to downgrade, while this is a whole new idea.

 

[Gizametalman]

Yes. Imagine installing custom firmware on it and having OTA updates for custom firmware like the PSP so we wouldn't have to use third party updaters. Imagine completely custom home menus completely unorthodox from the stock home menu. Imagine installing games and homebrew without the need for a traditional custom firmware. This stuff is big, but we have no way of implementing this stuff currently.

To be honest... I can imagine, but it doesn't excite me.
It's like... Having the cure for something that's already dead.

I'm sure that'll be great once its accomplished, but seriously, the 3DS is going to be replaced pretty soon.

 

[Demifiend]

I'm a newbie when it comes to 3DS hacking, despite hacking mine more than a year ago with Rxtools and more recently with Luma, all I used it was to play games so my knowledge of that doesn't stray too far from the hook

But there's something that intrigues me and I'd like to get answered, what is this bootrom dump method or something? like a "You can now play .3ds games like having a real gateway without a gateway on your console!" or something?

 

[Quantumcat]

I'm a newbie when it comes to 3DS hacking, despite hacking mine more than a year ago with Rxtools and more recently with Luma, all I used it was to play games so my knowledge of that doesn't stray too far from the hook

But there's something that intrigues me and I'd like to get answered, what is this bootrom dump method or something? like a "You can now play .3ds games like having a real gateway without a gateway on your console!" or something?

Nothing implemented with bootrom yet, and you'll never install .3ds format games. They are 1:1 representations of cartridges. .cia are the installable files.

 

[Demifiend]

Nothing implemented with bootrom yet, and you'll never install .3ds format games. They are 1:1 representations of cartridges. .cia are the installable files.

I see, well, there has been nothing of lost as I didn't cared too much for .3ds files but it was nice to ask just for the sake of curiosity! Anyway, ignoring the .3ds or .cia thread apart, what can you do once you get bootrom dumped and implemented? or whatever.

 

[Quantumcat]

I see, well, there has been nothing of lost as I didn't cared too much for .3ds files but it was nice to ask just for the sake of curiosity! Anyway, ignoring the .3ds or .cia thread apart, what can you do once you get bootrom dumped and implemented? or whatever.

Custom firmware, in its actual literal sense :-)

 

[Demifiend]

Custom firmware, in its actual literal sense :-)

Ah, like a PSP, where you do have total control of the system both in and out for anything? that sounds great! And what new additions we could expect with a complete CFW other than what we already have with Luma, A9LH and such?

 

[Joom]

great but actually you still need a custom firmware (+ that's what it is actually) and that actually doesn't change much from now

You need one if you don't want to sign everything yourself, yes.

To be honest... I can imagine, but it doesn't excite me.
It's like... Having the cure for something that's already dead.

I'm sure that'll be great once its accomplished, but seriously, the 3DS is going to be replaced pretty soon.

Yeah. If this stuff had been released at the beginning of the 3DS's life then this would have been astronomical. We would have definitely been able to do so much more years ago when the majority were still interested.

 

[einhuman197]

So is UnbanMii. All it requires is implementing a simple fopen into an ARM9 binary that loads files into the ITCM of a banned console. This %100 unbanns a console at the cost of another, and also causes incorrect update titles to be downloaded during sleep if you use the CTCert from a mismatched consoles. All things considered though, it's much easier to implement than Sighax or any of the other stuff announced today. This scene just has a stupidly small handful of developers that everyone else relies on.

Well I know why nobody cares about it. We have many devs. But this thing is evil. It will unban you at the cost of another. That's very evil. No one will ever do this.

 

[Mrrraou]

You need one if you don't want to sign everything yourself, yes.

wtf are you talking about

 

[Joom]

Well I know why nobody cares about it. We have many devs. But this thing is evil. It will unban you at the cost of another. That's very evil. No one will ever do this.

Exactly, which is why nobody has released it. In a moralistic sense, nobody wants to sacrifice a system, especially if they don't own it.

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wtf are you talking about

If we had the ability to sign everything ourselves (which would be a tedious process), then what would be the need for a custom firmware in that regard?

 

[Gizametalman]

Its not like we're not interested anymore. Nor that I disrespect all the efforts that has been done in the recent past years.
Is that it's hard to believe that this thing could still offer something more or better than the things that we can make already.

 

[metroid maniac]

If we had the ability to sign everything ourselves (which would be a tedious process), then what would be the need for a custom firmware in that regard?

Not everyone exclusively wants to pirate.

 

[Joom]

Its not like we're not interested anymore. Nor that I disrespect all the efforts that has been done in the recent past years.
Is that it's hard to believe that this thing could still offer something more or better than the things that we can make already.

It can. Like I mentioned, this would allow us total control over the system (eventually).

 

[Slattz]

If we had the ability to sign everything ourselves (which would be a tedious process), then what would be the need for a custom firmware in that regard?

Can't you only sign things with a private key that ISN'T in the bootrom...

 

[Joom]

Not everyone exclusively wants to pirate.

I wasn't talking about that. Replacing the home menu would also require signature patches.

 

[jt_1258]

To be honest... I can imagine, but it doesn't excite me.
It's like... Having the cure for something that's already dead.

I'm sure that'll be great once its accomplished, but seriously, the 3DS is going to be replaced pretty soon.

Replaced...ehhh, not everyone will do that, there are plenty of great games and it's not like the switch will be emediatly hacked to run homebrew. Honestly depends on the person i guess :/

 

[Gizametalman]

It can. Like I mentioned, this would allow us total control over the system (eventually).

I thought that we already did. Haha.
Ok, then that sounds good... I guess