AFAIK even newer dated 3DS's arent shipped with 5.XX yet, (Except new animal Crossing Bundle) on another board a person went seeking and was even told by employee at game shop, highest he had seen was 4.4 in some other new bundle, but included game updated it to 4.5
Gateway Release New Video - First Units To Ship This Week
- Thread starter T-hug
- Start date
- Views 51,658
- Replies 211
- Likes 3
Confirmed Gateway are using a kernel hack to gain full access to hardware. SD card access definitely wouldn't be possible without it.
So I'm wondering what's stopping them from using the flashcart as a loader to load games off the SD card? I guess they don't have the knowhow to do so yet.
It annoys me a bit that they're basically putting an exploit into a flashcart just so they can sell hardware that shouldn't even be needed to begin with. I understand that they need to make money, but if the flashcart was only required once to install the hack onto the system which would then let you load games from the SD card without the flashcart inserted at least it wouldn't be as annoying. They could even sell it for more money since people would likely be hacking their friends' 3DSes meaning potential lost sales. I'd be willing to pay more for something that is only needed once and is usable on multiple consoles.
That said, the cart is looking a lot more useful now that it's proven you can save in multiple games and swap MicroSD cards no problem. All it needs now is a GUI which will take a lot of work building a library that can access 3DS hardware and display graphics.
But, unless they can discover a new exploit that works on newer firmwares, it's not going to have very good game compatibility as games start forcing updates newer than 4.5. They're just lucky games and consoles haven't started shipping with 5.x.x yet.
Well, here's a big fuck you to everyone who said there was no point in staying on 4.5 because the kernel exploit would never be released.
So I'm wondering what's stopping them from using the flashcart as a loader to load games off the SD card? I guess they don't have the knowhow to do so yet.
It annoys me a bit that they're basically putting an exploit into a flashcart just so they can sell hardware that shouldn't even be needed to begin with. I understand that they need to make money, but if the flashcart was only required once to install the hack onto the system which would then let you load games from the SD card without the flashcart inserted at least it wouldn't be as annoying. They could even sell it for more money since people would likely be hacking their friends' 3DSes meaning potential lost sales. I'd be willing to pay more for something that is only needed once and is usable on multiple consoles.
That said, the cart is looking a lot more useful now that it's proven you can save in multiple games and swap MicroSD cards no problem. All it needs now is a GUI which will take a lot of work building a library that can access 3DS hardware and display graphics.
But, unless they can discover a new exploit that works on newer firmwares, it's not going to have very good game compatibility as games start forcing updates newer than 4.5. They're just lucky games and consoles haven't started shipping with 5.x.x yet.
Well, here's a big fuck you to everyone who said there was no point in staying on 4.5 because the kernel exploit would never be released.
Hmm, well think of it this way Jdbye, chances are competitors and other hackers will be able to reverse-engineer the workings of the Gateway 3DS without too much trouble, compared to regular official hardware.
On top of the 3DS decapping fundraiser going pretty well, we may be seeing a spike in 3DS hacking soon.
Even so, it's pretty impressive to see that they have possibly figured out how to load saves from the SD card during booting, which explains the prolonged Nintendo 3DS red-waves screen, and then also dump the save back to the SD card when pressing the home button.
I just wonder if there are any implications though, such as when does it back-up the save data, is it any time you press the home button or just when you have suspended the Gateway 3DS? Another would be how does it handle save data on the SD card, does it create a dedicated folder or is it using the same directories and such that the official 3DS uses?
I mean for example, if you are loading Animal Crossing New Leaf on a Gateway 3DS, and you already have the digital version on your SD card, does it go and pull the digital version's save data and put it on the Gateway? Likewise, does the Gateway 3DS then overwrite the digital version's save data?
Or does it know to just keep the digital download and the gateway saves separate, I would really assume the latter.
On top of the 3DS decapping fundraiser going pretty well, we may be seeing a spike in 3DS hacking soon.
Even so, it's pretty impressive to see that they have possibly figured out how to load saves from the SD card during booting, which explains the prolonged Nintendo 3DS red-waves screen, and then also dump the save back to the SD card when pressing the home button.
I just wonder if there are any implications though, such as when does it back-up the save data, is it any time you press the home button or just when you have suspended the Gateway 3DS? Another would be how does it handle save data on the SD card, does it create a dedicated folder or is it using the same directories and such that the official 3DS uses?
I mean for example, if you are loading Animal Crossing New Leaf on a Gateway 3DS, and you already have the digital version on your SD card, does it go and pull the digital version's save data and put it on the Gateway? Likewise, does the Gateway 3DS then overwrite the digital version's save data?
Or does it know to just keep the digital download and the gateway saves separate, I would really assume the latter.
nothing as in NOTHING? or nothing as in nothing to help run roms on a lower firmware they are designed for?
i mean, surely it would make the rom smaller right by removing the update file?
maybe i don't know about how the hack works, but hmm... just because there IS a hack, it doesn't mean you don't need hardware, right?
sure there may be a kernel hack, but that doesn't mean you have to be able to trigger it by some image/mp3/file on your sd card. but maybe not?
maybe i am thinking about this the wrong way? it seems a bit like how people were getting upset with the ps3 and cobra's ode, why do you have to pay for hardware etc, release it as a software hack etc... but, it seemed like it HAD to be hardware... how else can you have an ODE without hardware? (at least, without heavily hacking the fw... etc, surely anything can be done if the source code for the os of consoles were released)
Hopefully other companies can reverse engineer this. I will not buy this right away, I have a feeling there will soon be many of these. Possibly with better features.
If team gateway are indeed using the neimod/yellows8 exploit, maybe we can get a software base hack if someone can figure it out.
If team gateway are indeed using the neimod/yellows8 exploit, maybe we can get a software base hack if someone can figure it out.
Nothing as in absolutely nothing. All it does is change one text string which was later found not to be used. The actual updates can't be changed or removed without affecting the signature.
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2012
- Messages
- 5,498
- Trophies
- 2
- Location
- netti netti.
- Website
- www.youtube.com
- XP
- 7,018
- Country
Like foxi4 said in the other thread, her hand is still sneakily off camera when she (or he, with painted nails lol) switches the cards. Nothing but healthy skepticism here.
Confirmed Gateway are using a kernel hack to gain full access to hardware. SD card access definitely wouldn't be possible without it.
So I'm wondering what's stopping them from using the flashcart as a loader to load games off the SD card? I guess they don't have the knowhow to do so yet.
It annoys me a bit that they're basically putting an exploit into a flashcart just so they can sell hardware that shouldn't even be needed to begin with. I understand that they need to make money, but if the flashcart was only required once to install the hack onto the system which would then let you load games from the SD card without the flashcart inserted at least it wouldn't be as annoying. They could even sell it for more money since people would likely be hacking their friends' 3DSes meaning potential lost sales. I'd be willing to pay more for something that is only needed once and is usable on multiple consoles.
That said, the cart is looking a lot more useful now that it's proven you can save in multiple games and swap MicroSD cards no problem. All it needs now is a GUI which will take a lot of work building a library that can access 3DS hardware and display graphics.
But, unless they can discover a new exploit that works on newer firmwares, it's not going to have very good game compatibility as games start forcing updates newer than 4.5. They're just lucky games and consoles haven't started shipping with 5.x.x yet.
Well, here's a big fuck you to everyone who said there was no point in staying on 4.5 because the kernel exploit would never be released.
As I said in another thread, neimod/yellow8 sold their exploit to the highest bidder. That is why they were "concerned" with free piracy if they released the hack. Notice the "free" part. They don't mind the piracy part, as long as they get paid for it...
There is no income from CFW, but there is from flashkarts... That is all folks...
PS: Making money from their hard work is fine, spreading moral BS about preventing piracy is not...
pure bullshit.
Even so, if they were to ask money for it, they have shared their findings on DSi/Wii/PS3 stuff before, for free.
Well let me search for the receipt of the money they took, i though i had it here somewhere...
Seriously, are you dumb? Do you think there would be a source on this? This is an illegal activity...
Of course, it is difficult for you to accept that people do illegal things for money. In the la-la land you live, there are no drugs, thefts, killings etc etc... Also in this la-la land, people buy flashkarts in the millions because they badly need homebrew and they would never pirate games...
Coto
Explain to me how the Gateway team got access to their hack. Then you have a right to call bullshit...
Well let me search for the receipt of the money they took, i though i had it here somewhere...
Seriously, are you dumb? Do you think there would be a source on this? This is an illegal activity...
Of course, it is difficult for you to accept that people do illegal things for money. In the la-la land you live, there are no drugs, thefts, killings etc etc... Also in this la-la land, people buy flashkarts in the millions because they badly need homebrew and they would never pirate games...
Coto
Explain to me how the Gateway team got access to their hack. Then you have a right to call bullshit...
Fuck man, wtf is your problem? No need to be a prick.
As for how Gateway got their hack - maybe they did what neimod and the other guy (yellow8 was it?) did. If one person can hack the 3DS then why can't someone else do it as well?
Well let me search for the receipt of the money they took, i though i had it here somewhere...
Coto
Explain to me how the Gateway team got access to their hack. Then you have a right to call bullshit...
What you speak is bullshit.
reasons:
1. they're against piracy
2. they have given various methods (a.k.a tricks) to access hardware in the past, namely, the DSi community, Wii and PS3. You just need another dev that stares at those "tricks" and exploits could be found. Namely, giantpune's letter exploit on Wii, compared to teamtwiizers letterbomb exploit. the former wanted some money, for the time invested, while the other released it for free. (yes, those guys you say they've sold the exploit, have given the Wii letterbomb exploit for free)
Let's put things in another perspective, how about 3DS 4.5 and below had it's shares of low level exploits?
Does one need to have a problem in particular to discuss the truth about something?
The possibility of them finding the same exploits so close in time is slim. Hacking is random, it is hacking after all... Don't forget that they found the same exploits almost simultaneously, because in order to get hardware and software ready for release they needed extra time... And that means they had the exploit in their hands for quite a few months... Same time period the hack was announced...
So yeah, there is about a 1-2% chance they found it alone, but i wouldn't bet on that...
1. They are not against piracy. They are hackers. They already breach terms of service when they hack their machines... They don't care about legal BS and there is nothing ethical about preventing piracy in order for CEOs to get another Ferrari...
2. Just because they did something in the past, doesn't mean they will act the same in the future. They may have changed their mind, need money, etc... Also, back then they had competition, now they don't, they are the first, and they can make sweet sweet money out of it...
No one said the gateway team have found the same exploit as neo and yellow, you said that. There is a possibility it the same but at the same time it a possibility it a new different exploit which just has the same firmware limitations as the neo/yellow exploit.
Time will tell. There is the possibility that it happened just like you said. But you can't deny there is a strong possibilty they just sold the exploit... In fact, with what we know right now it is the most likely scenario. And that is what i believe, and unless it is proven that they use a different exploit, i will keep saying that...
But that's now just you supposing, which means nothing.
Of course i am supposing, and guess what, YOU are supposing also... There is no definite proof about either opinion, and given what we do know, the most likely scenario is the one i keep saying and you deny like the plague, even though it is the most probable given the time proximity of those hacks...
And the question is: What stake do you have to "defend" their "integrity"? Do you care so much about their reputation? Why can't you think objectively about the facts?
Similar threads
-
- Portal
-
K3Nv2
-
realtimesave
-
Xdqwerty
what are you looking at? -
AncientBoi
