Xbox One Official Requirements: Waive Your Rights

[AbyssalMonkey]

I don't like the Xbox I'm just not so fucking hellbent on whiteknighting against it.

Like if you don't like the console don't buy it. There are people who will want the console and they will buy it. I think it has A LOT that's wrong with it, but it also has some neat features (not that they overshadow the negatives) but it's worth acknowledging what's right and what's wrong with it, not just scraping around for any little garbage we can find on it so we can go "YEAH FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"

My point is that people don't blink twice at a skipping through a terms of services and signing it, effectively signing away a lot of their rights, but when Microsoft does it it's so goddamn evil.

EDIT: Criticize them for what they do wrong that others don't do wrong, don't criticize them singularly for what everyone does wrong.

I still like to have my rights in place the second I turn on my console. That checkbox is a little warning to me saying "Hey listen! You're about to waive your rights to a lot of legal action by pressing accept, this is the last chance to turn back." and you know what? That's still more consumer friendly than waiving it the moment it turns on. A lot of stuff can go wrong before turning a console on, and waiving your rights before you know what the damn thing will do is just stupid.

Offtopic:

You seems to like XBOX

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By posting this image, you forced the OCD in me to know what it is from.. And I thank you for that

 

[Gahars]

You seems to like XBOX

I've seen this sort of attitude all over the internet and it depresses the hell out of me. People are so hellbent on mindlessly pissing on the Xbox One that if you say anything that goes against the grain (Sony's conference was far from perfect, the Xbox One is not Hitler, literally or figuratively, etc.) than you must obviously be an Xbox fanboy.

This isn't a conversation. It's a sticky, gross circlejerk.

 

[Sicklyboy]

I don't like the Xbox I'm just not so fucking hellbent on whiteknighting against it.

Like if you don't like the console don't buy it. There are people who will want the console and they will buy it. I think it has A LOT that's wrong with it, but it also has some neat features (not that they overshadow the negatives) but it's worth acknowledging what's right and what's wrong with it, not just scraping around for any little garbage we can find on it so we can go "YEAH FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"

My point is that people don't blink twice at a skipping through a terms of services and signing it, effectively signing away a lot of their rights, but when Microsoft does it it's so goddamn evil.

EDIT: Criticize them for what they do wrong that others don't do wrong, don't criticize them singularly for what everyone does wrong.

Exactly my thoughts. The One is last on my list of next-gen consoles to buy, and by a long shot. There are a LOT of things that I do not like about it, and a lot of it has to do with how Microsoft is forcing it on everyone and how they're acting about it. Many of the things that they're doing hardly affect me, if at all. And on the flip side, I also agree, there are also some really nice features about it.

About the "waiving your rights" - one, I am sure you will have to agree to a ToS and/or EULA at initial boot/during setup/connecting to LIVE for the first time (since LIVE will be a required service this wouldn't be unheard of). I doubt that you'll just automatically be forced to agree with a ToS/EULA simply by pressing the power button without being given the opportunity to see what it says. Also, in regards to "waiving your rights", how many of you fucking people file class action lawsuits every day? Seriously? Yeah I realize that it's going to make it a bitch IF THERE IS something that becomes eligible for a class action lawsuit, but you guys all make it seem that you're a) never going to be able to file one again, ever; b) WILL ABSOLUTELY NEED TO file one against Microsoft; c) FILE THEM SO OFTEN that the thought of being barred from doing so is absurd.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I still like to have my rights in place the second I turn on my console. That checkbox is a little warning to me saying "Hey listen! You're about to waive your rights to a lot of legal action by pressing accept, this is the last chance to turn back." and you know what? That's still more consumer friendly than waiving it the moment it turns on. A lot of stuff can go wrong before turning a console on, and waiving your rights before you know what the damn thing will do is just stupid.

So it's better to willingly sign away your rights, to see that you're giving up a lot of your freedom as a consumer and go "yup I'm okay with that" instead of it being done for you anyway?

Plus you do have an option: don't buy the console.

Most of the people complaining about this wouldn't buy the console regardless so really we're just going out of our way to say this.

 

[Subtle Demise]

LOL Japan isn't on the list...So are they still getting the One or is it just an oversight?

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[AbyssalMonkey]

LOL Japan isn't on the list...So are they still getting the One or is it just an oversight?

I remember reading that Microsoft was open to the possibility of it being released there at a later date. But no, it will not launch there.

 

[Subtle Demise]

I remember reading that Microsoft was open to the possibility of it being released there at a later date. But no, it will not launch there.

Yeah I read something on here about a 2014 release or something, but still you'd think it would be on the list of approved countries...

 

[FAST6191]

Let's hope car companies don't decide to start doing what Microsoft is doing. I know it's a far stretch but it has to start somewhere. No way should it be legal for a company to say you're not allowed to sue us. That is ridiculous!

You are allowed to sue, you are just not allowed (though this gets tricky depending upon the lawyer you speak to) to join a class action lawsuit. Now depending upon your view of the legal system this may or may not be a big thing (class action lawsuits are sometimes both the easiest way to achieve recompense for a perceived wrong and at others the worst).

 

[geodeath]

This console will be the fastest failure of all time. DOA. It will probably beat the jaguar and the virtual boy. If it is successful, I pity the fools. No matter how many gears of war, halos, forzas and whatever else they have up their sleeve they get out, I do not have the slightest interest in this freak of gaming and this is coming from someone with BOTH a virtual boy and a jaguar among lots of other consoles. Unless they change the rules when they see the charts following the release, I just cannot see how logical people will put up with all these limitations. It's like the apple of gaming.

 

[AbyssalMonkey]

This console will be the fastest failure of all time. DOA. It will probably beat the jaguar and the virtual boy. If it is successful, I pity the fools. No matter how many gears of war, halos, forzas and whatever else they have up their sleeve they get out, I do not have the slightest interest in this freak of gaming and this is coming from someone with BOTH a virtual boy and a jaguar among lots of other consoles. Unless they change the rules when they see the charts following the release, I just cannot see how logical people will put up with all these limitations. It's like the apple of gaming.

I doubt it will be the fastest failure of all time. People still want their gaming. Consoles provide the convenience of not having to assemble a couple thousand dollar computer, update it, and do all the fancy stuff just to play a game. The console market is a market spawned for the average person who couldn't care less about all the behind the scenes effort. All the average person wants to do is press a button, pick a game, and hit play. The XBox One will not fail, but it will not be adopted very quickly by people who do not like how restrictive it is.

 

[Sicklyboy]

[...]Consoles provide the convenience of not having to assemble a couple thousand dollar computer, update it, and do all the fancy stuff just to play a game.

Yeah, with consoles, you just need to pull your TV off of the wall, update it, and buy all of these fancy accessories just to play a game. So much simpler.

[...]All the average person wants to do is press a button, pick a game, and hit play.[...]

Which is exactly what you do with the computer. Since so many PC games have moved to Steam/online login authentication, no CD required! Xbox/other consoles, however, still require the disk unless it's a GoD game.

Would you like to rebut?

 

[Bobbyloujo]

I think Microsoft just committed suicide.

 

[AbyssalMonkey]

Yeah, with consoles, you just need to pull your TV off of the wall, update it, and buy all of these fancy accessories just to play a game. So much simpler.




Which is exactly what you do with the computer. Since so many PC games have moved to Steam/online login authentication, no CD required! Xbox/other consoles, however, still require the disk unless it's a GoD game.

Would you like to rebut?

Plugging in a console takes all of 1 minute, and I don't know about you, but my I personally don't have a wall mounted TV and even then, because the XBox One is meant to replace your cable box, you shouldn't have to either. Updating a console is a mere press of a button saying "confirm" which is much quicker and less work than opening up the browser and going to the manufactures website for the driver. And where did you find the need to get "fancy accessories"? I don't know about you, but AFAIK the system works perfectly fine out of the box, and now, due to the kinect, you dont even need a microphone!

Oh, I almost forgot, games on a console work as intended. You don't get any bugs or graphical glitches because you missed a setting or have the wrong graphics card. *looks at Tomb Raider*

 

[Rydian]

You basically do the same thing with most any other console. The only difference is you do it when you start it up instead of clicking a little box.

I don't think that'll change any one's reluctance to buy (or not buy) a system. Oh no now I wave my rights when I start up the system not when I check a box when the system starts up!

Buying the system is optional. Don't buy it, that's a choice.

The waiving of rights for older systems was when you attempted to use their online networks, not just using the system to play games at all.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

The waiving of rights for older systems was when you attempted to use their online networks, not just using the system to play games at all.

Considering online systems were like so much of the last generation, I still think the point stands.

 

[Gahars]

The waiving of rights for older systems was when you attempted to use their online networks, not just using the system to play games at all.

To be fair, the online network and the system itself are pretty much entwined with the Xbox One. There's no real separation anymore.

 

[the_randomizer]

I've no doubts that this system will sell more than the Virtual Boy and may even get more global attention than the WonderSwan Color! Only time will tell.

 

[Rydian]

Considering online systems were like so much of the last generation, I still think the point stands.

No it does not.

Older systems: You do not need to waive your rights to use the system to play any games at all.

Xbox One: You will waive your rights if you want to play any games at all.

That is a concrete difference.

To be fair, the online network and the system itself are pretty much entwined with the Xbox One. There's no real separation anymore.

Yeah, and that's the problem. Separating goods and services is important because consumers have more rights with goods, whereas companies have more rights with services. Unfortunately companies are pressing harder and harder to turn things into a service because a good is a one-time buy while a service is a constant income.

• Let's say I go buy a hammer. I take it home, the company that made it can fuck off. I have my hammer, I can do whatever. If I use it in a way they do not like, fuck them, I'm going to use it in that way all I want.
  
  
• On the other hand let's say I rent a hammer. I take it home, and I'm bound by the agreement with the company as long as I am renting the hammer, because I am in a service agreement with them. If I do something they don't like, they can revoke my right to use the hammer.

Obviously buying the hammer is better for me, the consumer, than renting one, therefore I would like to preserve that ability.

 

[the_randomizer]

Boy, I bet Microsoft loves all the publicity that their "console" is getting, it must be make so many people hyped to get one!


Oh wait....

 

[Metoroid0]

I don't like the Xbox I'm just not so fucking hellbent on whiteknighting against it.

Like if you don't like the console don't buy it. There are people who will want the console and they will buy it. I think it has A LOT that's wrong with it, but it also has some neat features (not that they overshadow the negatives) but it's worth acknowledging what's right and what's wrong with it, not just scraping around for any little garbage we can find on it so we can go "YEAH FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"

My point is that people don't blink twice at a skipping through a terms of services and signing it, effectively signing away a lot of their rights, but when Microsoft does it it's so goddamn evil.

EDIT: Criticize them for what they do wrong that others don't do wrong, don't criticize them singularly for what everyone does wrong.

It's like saying that building is beautiful and it has all nice things like nice decorations, murals, nice design and its state of the art building, but it has bad foundation that is made of something that is Z class, therefore, whole building is doomed to even exist in future, or maybe even in couple of days. Or It could turn into ruins in a minutes.

But I like your attitude, It's REALLY good thing not to just judge things because everyone is saying its bad, and because of features and all.. everything has its own beauty. True.
It's good thing to see what's good in things rather than just concentrate on negative and bad.

But the foundation is VERY important also!