Trans Girl Suspended From High School for Using Bathroom

[Hyro-Sama]

Just install a single person bathroom in each classroom so no one has to stare at anyone's junk. Problem Solved. Cookie please.

Seriously, Where is my fucking cookie?

 

[Foxi4]

Just install a single person bathroom in each classroom so no one has to stare at anyone's junk. Problem Solved. Cookie please.

Seriously, Where is my fucking cookie?

That's architectually impossible. Provided there are 3 floors and, say, 80 classes on each, in the school building, you would need 80 downpipes and for higenical reasons, 240 cold and 240 hot water pipe connections or alternatively 240 cold water pipe connections and 240 small water heaters.

UNLESS you connect smaller sewege pipes into a larger, central downpipe, but you'd still end up with more restrooms than a hotel.

This building would literally have no walls left.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

Just install a single person bathroom in each classroom so no one has to stare at anyone's junk. Problem Solved. Cookie please.

Seriously, Where is my fucking cookie?

That's architecually impossible. Provided there are 3 floors and, say, 80 classes in the school building, you would need 80 downpipes and for higenical reasons, 80 cold and 80 hot water pipes or alternatively 80 cold water pipes and 80 small water heaters.

This building would literally have no walls left.

And smell like shit. Let's not forget that. Moreover, What's wrong with a steampunk looking school with pipes for walls. That would actually be awesome IMO.

 

[Foxi4]

Fixed a slight miscalculation on my end in the previous post. It's not really a matter of "steampunk", the problem here is that as you mentioned yourself, it'd smell, but more importantly "it wouldn't stand sound and in one piece for long" due to lack of structural integrity.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

Then just big brother the school and put cameras everywhere. YES. Even in the bathrooms.

 

[Foxi4]

Then just big brother the school and put cameras everywhere. YES. Even in the bathrooms.

 

[Devante]

You have to blend into society, not make the society blend you in.

http://en.wikipedia....es_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia....es_Constitution

Frankly, you have a troubled world view.

Frankly, this is where America started going wrong. '

 

[Valwin]

if it use to be male it need to use the male bathroom

 

[Foxi4]

You have to blend into society, not make the society blend you in.

http://en.wikipedia....es_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia....es_Constitution

Frankly, you have a troubled world view.

Frankly, this is where America started going wrong. '

Yer right, them women should go back to the kitchen and make me a goddamn sandwich, and them faggits' should go to Holland, they are not welcome in these parts!

 

[smile72]

Valwin need learn correct grammar.

 

[Kioku]

Malikowski told reporters, “There’s not staff bathrooms all over the school, so when you really got to pee, you got to pee.”

This is the most beautiful grammar I've seen in my life.
"when you really got to pee, you got to pee"? Don't you have some patience?

As for the suspension, if she can't deal with the school and the Transgender Law Center's policies (whether it is right or wrong), she should go to another school. It's for her fucking safety. And to be honest, I'd be so cool to use a staff restroom.

I'm not trying to be sexist, but she should be a little smarter and acknowledge how much danger she is putting herself in.

When you're one-sided like that? It makes sense. However, I seriously doubt it's for HER safety. It's flat out wrong, even if they were given explicit access to the staff bathrooms. Keeping them out of the student (which THEY ARE, mind you) bathrooms is ridiculous.

 

[KingVamp]

People keep forgetting that everyone doesn't look or feel what their chromosomes state. That not everyone can afford nor that it even safe to do so.
Why are you looking at other people why using the bathroom? Staring at people and their junks should make
you feel shamed regardless.


Plus sense there are cases where a boy can have girl parts or vi versa, why would they use a toilet that not easily accessible to them.
Other words why would a transsexual girl use a toilet that they are most likely going have much difficulty than using the stalls.

(iirc this is to the people who are saying this.) Saying that unisex bathrooms will smell doesn't make any sense, since any bathroom will smell if you don't clean it.

A unisex bathroom doesn't need to be in every classroom.

 

[Canonbeat234]

Well well well, equality rights strikes again. Now the trans students want to be play it 'safe' like there's no consequence, well the Board of Education shall say otherwise.

I don't have no sympathy for this at all, if you want to play the 'swap' card then by all means do it afterschool not during school.

 

[Crimson Ghoul]

Just for an ignorant laugh.. Instead of the man and woman signs they should just put a penis or a vagina on the door

 

[KingVamp]

Well well well, equality rights strikes again. Now the trans students want to be play it 'safe' like there's no consequence, well the Board of Education shall say otherwise.

I don't have no sympathy for this at all, if you want to play the 'swap' card then by all means do it afterschool not during school.

True transsexuals is something of their life and not some "swapping" game. Stop being so ignorant closed-minded.

 

[s4mid4re]

Malikowski told reporters, “There’s not staff bathrooms all over the school, so when you really got to pee, you got to pee.”

This is the most beautiful grammar I've seen in my life.
"when you really got to pee, you got to pee"? Don't you have some patience?

As for the suspension, if she can't deal with the school and the Transgender Law Center's policies (whether it is right or wrong), she should go to another school. It's for her fucking safety. And to be honest, I'd be so cool to use a staff restroom.

I'm not trying to be sexist, but she should be a little smarter and acknowledge how much danger she is putting herself in.

When you're one-sided like that? It makes sense. However, I seriously doubt it's for HER safety. It's flat out wrong, even if they were given explicit access to the staff bathrooms. Keeping them out of the student (which THEY ARE, mind you) bathrooms is ridiculous.

]I think I have made it very clear that being transsexual doesn't mean that a male is female, vise-versa. They just feel like they should. Now, do you think it is morally correct for a female to enter a male restroom, vise-versa, just because they think they're in the 'wrong' restroom? I presume you are male: would you feel comforted, peeing while a girl is in the male restroom (oh yes I would )? Even worse: would you feel comforted that a guy is using the female public restroom, while your girlfriend or female friend is also using the restroom? How would parents feel about their son/daughter going into a restroom with somebody of opposite gender? It is also an undeniable fact that transsexual people are a bully's target, and the school and TLC is trying to keep it to the minimum.


They have proposed the best solution to prevent any conflict: make them use the staff restroom.

People keep forgetting that everyone doesn't look or feel what their chromosomes state. That not everyone can afford nor that it even safe to do so.
Why are you looking at other people why using the bathroom? Staring at people and their junks should make
you feel shamed regardless.
Quite true, but the point is that it isn't secure nor morally correct for a person to be using a restroom for the opposite sex.

Plus sense there are cases where a boy can have girl parts or vi versa, why would they use a toilet that not easily accessible to them.
Other words why would a transsexual girl use a toilet that they are most likely going have much difficulty than using the stalls.
She's transsexual. It doesn't involve having genitals or body parts from the opposite gender; they just think they should.

(iirc this is to the people who are saying this.) Saying that unisex bathrooms will smell doesn't make any sense, since any bathroom will smell if you don't clean it.

A unisex bathroom doesn't need to be in every classroom.

 

[Canonbeat234]

Well well well, equality rights strikes again. Now the trans students want to be play it 'safe' like there's no consequence, well the Board of Education shall say otherwise.

I don't have no sympathy for this at all, if you want to play the 'swap' card then by all means do it afterschool not during school.

True transsexuals is something of their life and not some "swapping" game. Stop being so ignorant closed-minded.

Oh yes, I'm sure their life isn't so warp to the point they can't figure out what are the rules inside the school. How many times have a guy 'accidentally' went inside the girl's room and got warned about it? It's the same thing with these students; come on now the officials have given them an alternative to use the staff restroom. No, those stuck-up students want to be 'accepted' inside a society where their transgender matters. It DOES matter if you was born like that with a freakin' penis or vagina; later on in life if they want to keep that act up then fine by me.

 

[BlueStar]

I'm amazed homophobes and transphobes are so determined that an effeminate, female identifying and probably male-attracted pupil absolutely must use the male bathroom with them and stand alongside them when you've both got your junk out.

But whatever floats your boat.

 

[Mirby]

I'm amazed at the levels of hate in this thread.

It's quite simple. She identifies as female, thus she used the female's bathroom. There's really not much more to it than that. Overcomplicating things or saying that just because she has a penis means she absolutely must use the men's restroom is just.... wrong. Do you think she really wants to deal with that? I'm pretty sure she probably doesn't even want that reminder of her incorrect birth gender every time she has to go to the bathroom. Or every time she takes a shower. Or any time she may have to see it at all.

The point is, she used the restroom she felt she should be able to, and that's where all the trouble began.

It reminds me of the recent story about a TG woman in Tennessee who, due to the state's strict laws, is still legally male. She went to get it changed at the DMV, and they said no. So, realizing that she was still "he" in the eyes of the state, decided to go topless. Why not? The state views her as male, so why couldn't she go topless like all the fat-ass trailer-trash guys in the state.

The state thought otherwise and she was arrested for indecent exposure.

They arrested someone who, as far as they were concerned, was male for something that only a female could get arrested for (exposing her breasts), and now she may have to register as a sex offender all because of bigoted people and outdated laws.

 

[Foxi4]

I'm amazed at the levels of hate in this thread. It's quite simple. She identifies as female, thus she used the female's bathroom.

That much is correct, however how she identifies herself is not the issue here. A school is a public place where certain rules apply. Males go to the gents restroom, females to the ladies room. It is a scientific fact that despite her own identity she is a man from a biological standpoint. Same applies to the girl that happens to feel like a man.

There's really not much more to it than that. Overcomplicating things or saying that just because she has a penis means she absolutely must use the men's restroom is just.... wrong.

No, it is not, and I will elaborate on that in a moment.

Do you think she really wants to deal with that?

School as such is a public place, the principal needs to think of the good of the collective rather than the good of a single unit. Exceptions should not be made.

I'm pretty sure she probably doesn't even want that reminder of her incorrect birth gender every time she has to go to the bathroom.

Incorrect sex, perhaps. Incorrect gender? Not so much. Her gender is female, however she was born with the male sex, thus she is classified as male and as such should use the restroom designated for the males according to the rules board. Nobody's asking about her psychological state or her identity - ladies want to pee only in the company of other ladies, gents pee only in the company of other gents.

Or every time she takes a shower. Or any time she may have to see it at all.

Restroom does not equal bathroom, but in that case it would be exactly the same. In fact, it would be stressed even more strongly. A person of the male sex should not bathe in the company of female students, and vice-versa. We're not thinking about 1 person here, we are thinking about an entire group of students.

I see what you are trying to say, and your approach is very liberal, but incorrect. You are mixing gender with sex and apply too many individualistic factors to the equation. The student body is a collective of students, and the rules apply to the collective and in favour of the collective, not particular units. The rules are fair, no rulesboard will ever be perfect, but its purpose is to apply to the majority of students.

Excuse me, but that "theoretical boys shower room" would consist of one person of the female sex and circa 29 boners if your "rules" were applied, this is unacceptable and you have to accept that as a fact.

The point is, she used the restroom she felt she should be able to, and that's where all the trouble began.

Yet again you apply feelings to legislature. You're not supposed to do "what you feel is right", you're supposed to follow the rules. It was not the first time, she has been forwarned, so was he. The rules were broken deliberatelly.

It reminds me of the recent story about a TG woman in Tennessee who, due to the state's strict laws, is still legally male.

Not only that - she is still biologically male. A 100% sex change is impossible from a medical standpoint - she still has no uterus, no ovaries, no milk glands or no naturally-formed vagina - all there really is is a set of fake breasts and a mutilated male reproductive organ shaped to look like a vagina. She was never born with those and her hormone levels are adjusted artificially.

If I tattoo my body black, I may look like a black person, but that doesn't make me legally black - I will remain caucasian. In other words, she now "looks like a woman", but she isn't one and she will never be. Adjustments like this are only made to enhance self-confidence and achieve comfort with ones own body. They're cosmetical.

She went to get it changed at the DMV, and they said no. So, realizing that she was still "he" in the eyes of the state, decided to go topless. Why not? The state views her as male, so why couldn't she go topless like all the fat-ass trailer-trash guys in the state.

She's not biologically female, but that does not mean that she is not bound by common laws of human decency. She looks like a woman, and that is enough to constitute indecensy in public places.

The state thought otherwise and she was arrested for indecent exposure.

That is fair. In fact, I would also arrest the fatsos. I'll even expand it to skinny males - I do not wish to be forced to stare at someone's nipples and general chest area.

They arrested someone who, as far as they were concerned, was male for something that only a female could get arrested for (exposing her breasts)

I assure you that this is not true. Breasts are breasts, you don't have to be female to have them. If the state laws specify that the breasts have to belong to a "female" then she can sucessfuly appeal, as she is not one.

and now she may have to register as a sex offender all because of bigoted people and outdated laws.

She's not registered as a sex offender because she did not commit a sexually-based offence onto anyone. Indecent exposure is a minor offence, not a federal crime.