Hacking Why is a 3DS flash cart needed?

[Matthew Rayfield]

Hey all,

I've been reading about the state of the 3DS homebrew scene, and I'm curious about something...

Why is a 3DS flash cart (like Gateway needed at all)? Shouldn't you be able to use an NDS flash cart and the on-board SD card to load whatever you want?

My understanding is that the exploit used by Gateway runs a .NDS program, and then loads Launcher.dat code. Once this happens, and a custom NAND is loaded, why can't you run .3DS files off the SD card itself? What am I missing?


Thanks.

 

[Rediska]

Because Gateway make lot of MONEY!!!!!!!

 

[4gionz]

Because the only people smart enough to do it work at gateway, then smea did that but refuses to release it, and everyone else simply can't do it or doesn't care, a lot of the higher up guys in the 3ds scene have cfw running on their 3ds for a long time, they just don't want to give it away to people since it will cause piracy.

 

[Duo8]

Money is the only answer.

 

[piratesephiroth]

social justice warriors helping smart people make money
or
smart people making money out of social justice warrors' stupidity

 

[the_randomizer]

Because the only people smart enough to do it work at gateway, then smea did that but refuses to release it, and everyone else simply can't do it or doesn't care, a lot of the higher up guys in the 3ds scene have cfw running on their 3ds for a long time, they just don't want to give it away to people since it will cause piracy.

Actually, that's not true, he is releasing it, you must not have seen that on Twitter. He's waiting for the New 3DS to launch in Japan next month.

 

[4gionz]

Actually, that's not true, he is releasing it, you must not have seen that on Twitter. He's waiting for the New 3DS to launch in Japan next month.

I'm talking about rednand I know he's releasing ssspwn

 

[the_randomizer]

I'm talking about rednand I know he's releasing ssspwn

Ooh, not sure about that first hack, don't know much about it to be honest.

 

[4gionz]

Ooh, not sure about that first hack, don't know much about it to be honest.

It was exact copy of gateways emunand written from scratch without the rom loader or need for flashcarts

 

[the_randomizer]

It was exact copy of gateways emunand written from scratch without the rom loader or need for flashcarts

Damn, wasn't aware of that...

 

[drfsupercenter]

redNAND doesn't automatically equal piracy though

You can already use emuNAND without a Gateway (except the newest one that lets you use the 8.x crypto and I'm guessing smea and the others haven't worked that out yet either)

I really see no reason why smea would need to release redNAND other than "oh it doesn't rely on Gateway coders"

 

[Subtle Demise]

I've been thinking of a few ways to not rely on the card, the problem is I don't have enough low-level programming experience to actually implement those ideas.

 

[Flame]

its this simple...

what would a person/homebrew dev gain from releasing a 3DS rom loader at this time in moment expect getting sued?

 

[the_randomizer]

Was merely curious as I've been toying with the idea of getting a refurbished 3DS...

 

[4gionz]

redNAND doesn't automatically equal piracy though

You can already use emuNAND without a Gateway (except the newest one that lets you use the 8.x crypto and I'm guessing smea and the others haven't worked that out yet either)

I really see no reason why smea would need to release redNAND other than "oh it doesn't rely on Gateway coders"

Because a lot of people don't care about piracy I have plenty of games, i know that rednand would do everything a gateway can do EXEPT PIRACY (like allow me to play pokemon even tho I'm on 4.5-or play monster hunter 4 imported from japan) i don't care about piracy but i care about region free a lot, I also really liked adding homebrew to your homemenu, with rednand their could have been a REAL HOMEBREW channel not a loader that only works when loading a save file and will be patched and no way of updating past whatever firmware is out when ssspwn is released.

then when it was announced that smea would be delaying ssspwn (and region free was already delayed before that) i went crazy to switch my two 3ds for 4.5 3ds and bought a gateway card. I waited for rednand only to be disappointed... then ssspwn gets delayed i couldn't wait any longer. I don't want a gateway i didn't want to pay 70$ so that I can play my 30$ game on my console but it looks like this is going to be the only way to do it while staying on 4.5 (probably the last kernel exploit ever for 3ds) i personally think rednand wasn't released because smea would have to update and work on it every time a new firmware is released and I don't think he wanted to do that.

I know I might sound like an entitled baby i usually hate those people on these forums but its one thing to find an exploit and not release it to the wild, but to continually update your progress and the GREATEST hack for the 3ds that can possibly exist and then after months of waiting only to be told you won't release because it can cause piracy.....on literally the exact same and only firmwares that already support piracy(plus he wouldn't be adding a rom loader a different person would have write one from scratch so no piracy was involved) and don't say well someone would have quickly written a rom loader because their could easily be a rom loader right now if anyone cared enough or was smart enough to make one all the info is their and free to use.

TLDR: I don't pirate(not that anyone will believe me lol) but i like region free and HOMEBREW and would have loved a free solution that didn't require any pirating materials AND could keep me on the latest firmware not worrying about loosing the hack.


Edit: after reading this i do sound like an entitled baby...oh well

 

[piratesephiroth]

its this simple...

what would a person/homebrew dev gain from releasing a 3DS rom loader at this time in moment expect getting sued?

well, it should be possible if anyone wanted to release it anonymously

but no, everyone wants to be famous on the internet

 

[drfsupercenter]

Because a lot of people don't care about piracy I have plenty of games, i know that rednand would do everything a gateway can do EXEPT PIRACY (like allow me to play pokemon even tho I'm on 4.5-or play monster hunter 4 imported from japan) i don't care about piracy but i care about region free a lot, I also really liked adding homebrew to your homemenu, with rednand their could have been a REAL HOMEBREW channel not a loader that only works when loading a save file and will be patched and no way of updating past whatever firmware is out when ssspwn is released.

then when it was announced that smea would be delaying ssspwn (and region free was already delayed before that) i went crazy to switch my two 3ds for 4.5 3ds and bought a gateway card. I waited for rednand only to be disappointed... then ssspwn gets delayed i couldn't wait any longer. I don't want a gateway i didn't want to pay 70$ so that I can play my 30$ game on my console but it looks like this is going to be the only way to do it while staying on 4.5 (probably the last kernel exploit ever for 3ds) i personally think rednand wasn't released because smea would have to update and work on it every time a new firmware is released and I don't think he wanted to do that.

I know I might sound like an entitled baby i usually hate those people on these forums but its one thing to find an exploit and not release it to the wild, but to continually update your progress and the GREATEST hack for the 3ds that can possibly exist and then after months of waiting only to be told you won't release because it can cause piracy.....on literally the exact same and only firmwares that already support piracy(plus he wouldn't be adding a rom loader a different person would have write one from scratch so no piracy was involved) and don't say well someone would have quickly written a rom loader because their could easily be a rom loader right now if anyone cared enough or was smart enough to make one all the info is their and free to use.

TLDR: I don't pirate(not that anyone will believe me lol) but i like region free and HOMEBREW and would have loved a free solution that didn't require any pirating materials AND could keep me on the latest firmware not worrying about loosing the hack.

You could still use emuNAND...

Any of these virtual NAND solutions can be extracted/injected using a simple tool, if/when smea's NAND loader is released you could just extract Gateway's and inject it to his. No big deal IMO

 

[4gionz]

You could still use emuNAND...

Any of these virtual NAND solutions can be extracted/injected using a simple tool, if/when smea's NAND loader is released you could just extract Gateway's and inject it to his. No big deal IMO

Emunand needs the gateway red card to boot up and smea isn't releasing a nand loader..

And I now do use emunand btw I bought the card so I guess is didnt matter anymore, but if rednand was ever released a would sell my gateway in a heartbeat

 

[drfsupercenter]

well, it should be possible if anyone wanted to release it anonymously

but no, everyone wants to be famous on the internet

So much this.

I remember the Wii scene... heck, I was one of the people using the original Twilight Hack for 3.2 to play Tetris with a GameCube controller just to show that it was possible, before any such thing called a homebrew channel was even developed... people like Waninkoko released all sorts of tools that helped a great deal and everybody used those to code their own really awesome stuff.

But now it's all about hackers wanting their signatures on everything, I can understand needing publicity but if something's any good it will make its rounds anyway.

Hey, I'm not a programmer but if anyone out there DOES know how to make useful hacking utilities that haven't been released yet, feel free to test this theory just put them up on usenet anonymously and see how long it takes for a thread to pop up here

 

[drfsupercenter]

Emunand needs the gateway red card to boot up and smea isn't releasing a nand loader..

And I now do use emunand btw I bought the card so I guess is didnt matter anymore, but if rednand was ever released a would sell my gateway in a heartbeat

Only the 2.3b one does. You can still use 2.2 launcher.dat to mane emuNAND without a Gateway. You just won't be able to update it to 8.1