Hacking Why is a 3DS flash cart needed?

[Flame]

well, it should be possible if anyone wanted to release it anonymously

but no, everyone wants to be famous on the internet

yeah this.. but dont forget kids.. the "bigger" your post count name is on the web the bigger yoru e-penis is.

 

[4gionz]

yeah this.. but dont forget kids.. the bigger your post count name is on the web the bigger yoru e-penis is.

So I have a tiny e-penis then

 

[Matthew Rayfield]

Because the only people smart enough to do it work at gateway, then smea did that but refuses to release it, and everyone else simply can't do it or doesn't care, a lot of the higher up guys in the 3ds scene have cfw running on their 3ds for a long time, they just don't want to give it away to people since it will cause piracy.

Thanks, this makes sense.

 

[Jayro]

Actually, that's not true, he is releasing it, you must not have seen that on Twitter. He's waiting for the New 3DS to launch in Japan next month.

I was wondering what the hold-up was... I thought it should have dropped by now. Hopefully there's nothing new about the New 3DS that stalls further release.

 

[the_randomizer]

I was wondering what the hold-up was... I thought it should have dropped by now. Hopefully there's nothing new about the New 3DS that stalls further release.

Seeing as I'm seriously considering getting one in the near future, I figure third time's the charm. The delay is for that reason, if there is a drastic change in the New 3DS models, well, hard to know for sure...

 

[misterb98]

I was wondering what the hold-up was... I thought it should have dropped by now. Hopefully there's nothing new about the New 3DS that stalls further release.

I think what will happen is this:

If the New 3ds is susceptible to the hack - Wait until US/EU versions come out, then release
If the New 3ds is not susceptible to the hack - Release now.

Basically, I'm pretty sure the point is that he want to see if the new 3ds supports SSSPwn, and if it does, to drag that out as well. Usermode loading on new3ds would be a godsend - Imagine New3ds Exclusives being modded!

Im not entirely sure about this, but with all the 3ds games being re-encrypted with 0's, might it be possible to load a re-encrypted ROM from userland? That could mean Game mods first day New 3ds launches.

 

[NCDyson]

Hey all,

I've been reading about the state of the 3DS homebrew scene, and I'm curious about something...

Why is a 3DS flash cart (like Gateway needed at all)? Shouldn't you be able to use an NDS flash cart and the on-board SD card to load whatever you want?

My understanding is that the exploit used by Gateway runs a .NDS program, and then loads Launcher.dat code. Once this happens, and a custom NAND is loaded, why can't you run .3DS files off the SD card itself? What am I missing?


Thanks.

The part where Gateway exists to make money. If you could run .3ds files directly off the SD card, you wouldn't need gateway to begin with. Gateway's launcher.dat is heavily obsfucated (encrypted and made into a pain to reverse engineer), so it's not like everyone could just go in and change that. on top of that, it's got code embedded that could brick your console, which as far as I remember, can be fixed, but is still a major inconvenience.

well, it should be possible if anyone wanted to release it anonymously

but no, everyone wants to be famous on the internet

But now it's all about hackers wanting their signatures on everything, I can understand needing publicity but if something's any good it will make its rounds anyway.

Go spend 40-60+ hours a week on something for several months and see if by then end of it you don't at least want your name on it so some stupid kids on the internet don't claim they did all the work, or have some company selling your work and not giving you a dime. Not just online, go do that offline, on your own time, using your own money to make something amazing, and see if you don't want to at least sign your name somewhere.

Hacking isn't sit down, write a few lines of code, get famous. That's closer to being a script kiddie. It's sitting for countless hours in front of a computer, losing countless hours of sleep, nearly pulling your hair out, and taking apart a puzzle so complex that you wonder if you'll ever get the pieces back together. It's an art form.

Everyone wants name call and talk down on the hackers who don't release things for not wanting to support piracy, but when it comes down to it, they're the ones with the skills, and it's their decision. There are major ramifications to releasing something like that, and the people who are smart enough to make such things, are smart enough to know that. It's one thing to unlock a system to allow it to reach it's full potential, but it's an entirely different thing to unlock a system for theft.

If you want to be able to pirate games for free, go pirate some books and train to gain the skills necessary to do it yourself. Everybody needs to quit complaining that the hackers don't want to just give them their free games. The world doesn't work like that offline, and there's no reason it should work like that online too.

 

[piratesephiroth]

The part where Gateway exists to make money. If you could run .3ds files directly off the SD card, you wouldn't need gateway to begin with. Gateway's launcher.dat is heavily obsfucated (encrypted and made into a pain to reverse engineer), so it's not like everyone could just go in and change that. on top of that, it's got code embedded that could brick your console, which as far as I remember, can be fixed, but is still a major inconvenience.


Go spend 40-60+ hours a week on something for several months and see if by then end of it you don't at least want your name on it so some stupid kids on the internet don't claim they did all the work, or have some company selling your work and not giving you a dime. Not just online, go do that offline, on your own time, using your own money to make something amazing, and see if you don't want to at least sign your name somewhere.

Hacking isn't sit down, write a few lines of code, get famous. That's closer to being a script kiddie. It's sitting for countless hours in front of a computer, losing countless hours of sleep, nearly pulling your hair out, and taking apart a puzzle so complex that you wonder if you'll ever get the pieces back together. It's an art form.

Everyone wants name call and talk down on the hackers who don't release things for not wanting to support piracy, but when it comes down to it, they're the ones with the skills, and it's their decision. There are major ramifications to releasing something like that, and the people who are smart enough to make such things, are smart enough to know that. It's one thing to unlock a system to allow it to reach it's full potential, but it's an entirely different thing to unlock a system for theft.

If you want to be able to pirate games for free, go pirate some books and train to gain the skills necessary to do it yourself. Everybody needs to quit complaining that the hackers don't want to just give them their free games. The world doesn't work like that offline, and there's no reason it should work like that online too.

Again, hackers can do whatever they want to. You can keeping kissing their asses as well, maybe they'll give you something if you get them more twitter followers.
We're also free to talk about them the way we want.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIcEEA6zrmA

 

[tbb043]

Why is a 3DS flash cart (like Gateway needed at all)?

exFAT. I really don't want to have to split roms to get them to work on the FAT32 formatted on board SD card (although I'm aware that some people still do that even with Gateway).

 

[NCDyson]

Again, hackers can do whatever they want to. You can keeping kissing their asses as well, maybe they'll give you something if you get them more twitter followers.
We're also free to talk about them the way we want.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIcEEA6zrmA

I'm not kissing anybody's asses, I'm speaking as someone who is mature enough to realize that I'm owed nothing by anybody, least of all on the internet.

 

[Huntereb]

The first three responses to this thread are all you need to read.

 

[NCDyson]

The first three responses to this thread are all you need to read.

this thread wasn't necessary to begin with...

 

[ichichfly]

<-- sorry I can't resist but post this every time I see a thread like this

 

[st4rk]

GW is useless, you can do everything without flashcard, i just don't know why anyone no released a way to load warez with SD, to my mind the "No, because it will do more piracy" not is true, i just see a Flashcard getting more and more rich day by day.

 

[Huntereb]

GW is useless, you can do everything without flashcard, i just don't know why anyone no released a way to load warez with SD, to my mind the "No, because it will do more piracy" not is true, i just see a Flashcard getting more and more rich day by day.

This. 100%.

 

[drfsupercenter]

GW is useless, you can do everything without flashcard, i just don't know why anyone no released a way to load warez with SD, to my mind the "No, because it will do more piracy" not is true, i just see a Flashcard getting more and more rich day by day.

Well, look at it like this

Gateway actually figured out how to make ROMs load.

Everybody else just sits around whining and acting self-entitled saying they want more stuff.

If you want something better, go learn the skills and do it yourself.

I'm not claiming to be able to do anything better, because I'm not a coder. But I also don't go around ragging on Gateway for selling a product which is the result of their work. Look at the "competition," other than MT-Card (which seems to have gone down the dark path recently as well even though they started out legit), everybody's just stealing Gateway's work and trying to undercut their price.

The 4.x kernel exploit/ROP loader is out there in the wild, what you do with it is up to you. If someone wants to code their own version of a Gateway-esque launcher that will let you run pirated games off of your SD card, more power to you, feel free to share when it's done

 

[kyogre123]

everybody's just stealing Gateway's work

Pretty much and not only flashcards companies (you know what I mean).

 

[Huntereb]

Everybody else just sits around whining and acting self-entitled saying they want more stuff.

We're not. Or, not me at least. What we have works, but what we should already have is a way of loading roms and homebrew that doesn't "require" a flashcard. We don't because of the ass-backwards morals from the talented "hackers".

 

[drfsupercenter]

We're not. Or, not me at least. What we have works, but what we should already have is a way of loading roms and homebrew that doesn't "require" a flashcard. We don't because of the ass-backwards morals from the talented "hackers".

Well I do understand not wanting to directly support piracy, since anyone who codes a Gateway-esque launcher that directly loads ROMs is going to get massively sued by Nintendo unless they happen to reside in China.

But going out of your way to make sure piracy won't happen on the other hand is harmful to the dev scene, I agree on that point, but I'm not going to go hating on smea either. I just don't like all the complaining on gbatemp about "baww Gateway"... if you want something better, find someone and make it happen.

 

[Huntereb]

...but I'm not going to go hating on smea either.

Smea is fine with me, he's not really directly trying to enforce the blocking of piracy. I really wish Red Nand would have stuck around, though. Because of that, I still have to frown a little when I hear about him.

I just don't like all the complaining on gbatemp about "baww Gateway"...

If you don't like 'em, ignore 'em (Either using the actual feature, or just doing it in general). Responding to people saying things you dislike only fuels the hate for both sides of the situation on this forum.