Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[xplus93]

I just want to point out the pointlessness of the piracy protection for a console where the games are no longer sold by the manufacturer. The whole point of anti-piracy is to encourage people to go out and buy a game from the manufacturer through a retailer and therefore allowing them to collect payment to give to the developers and to use to develop new games. When you force people to buy games that aren't sold by manufacturers the only people that profit are companies like gamestop that are built around ripping off the consumer. So I hope that any idealistic idiot who shoves anti-piracy down somebodies throat thinks about that before they start preaching.

 

[Slartibartfast42]

I just want to point out the pointlessness of the piracy protection for a console where the games are no longer sold by the manufacturer. The whole point of anti-piracy is to encourage people to go out and buy a game from the manufacturer through a retailer and therefore allowing them to collect payment to give to the developers and to use to develop new games. When you force people to buy games that aren't sold by manufacturers the only people that profit are companies like gamestop that are built around ripping off the consumer. So I hope that any idealistic idiot who shoves anti-piracy down somebodies throat thinks about that before they start preaching.

Yea, I say that all the time, but the anti-piracy zealots don't listen. It's like a religion to them, you can't reason with em.

 

[Subtle Demise]

Yea, I say that all the time, but the anti-piracy zealots don't listen. It's like a religion to them, you can't reason with em.

Leave it to a ROM site to be a pro-dmca shit hole.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Yea, I say that all the time, but the anti-piracy zealots don't listen. It's like a religion to them, you can't reason with em.

The developer doesn't want his work being used for something illegal. Instead of just not releasing it (which isn't as uncommon as you might think), he added a small restriction to it that let's anyone enjoy a backup of games they own. There's nothing unreasonable about that.

Quit bitching because the author didn't compromise his values to appease some strangers.

 

[Slartibartfast42]

The developer doesn't want his work being used for something illegal. Instead of just not releasing it (which isn't as uncommon as you might think), he added a small restriction to it that let's anyone enjoy a backup of games they own. There's nothing unreasonable about that.

Quit bitching because the author didn't compromise his values to appease some strangers.

It's not a small restriction. You need physical access to a working copy of the disc, and you need an original Wii with gamecube reading capabilities, on top of your Wii U. And you need to move the controllers back and forth. If you have all that, might as well just play it on the original Wii. The rest of us no longer have a working original Wii, or never had one, and the gamecube discs have long been destroyed, lost, or put away in storage somewhere. If someone's original wii laser wore out or their gamecube game was scratched, they should morally still be entitled to play the game. I would not go through all this trouble just to play my remaining discs in good condition. I don't need to play gamecube that much. If I really wanted gamecube, I would just put Dios Mios on my old Wii, because I still have that around. It would be nice to someday have every single version of MarioKart on my Wii U, but that isn't necessary.

Who else has morals like that? Scientists don't hold out because someone might do something illegal with it. Real software engineers don't either. MS Excel doesn't have anti book cooking protection. Google doesn't make sure you can't make drug deals. He's valuing his morality more then the enjoyment of thousands of people. It's his legal right to do that, but we can still call him out on it. Imagine if Bill Gates didn't want anyone to buy Wii Us. So he bought every single Wii U that Nintendo makes, then destroys them. he can do that I guess, but it's still a mean thing to do. On a smaller scale, if I see something good on sale at the store, I usually don't buy out the rest of their stock. I want at least one other next person to be able to get the deal too. If they only have 4 left, I might buy 2, not all 4. It's called being nice and a decent person.

 

[Subtle Demise]

If you bought a game once in the past, morally how is it wrong to just go download it? Downloading games that are not manufactured anymore hurts absolutely no one besides resellers who charge far more than what those outdated games are even worth.

 

[tswntk]

The developer doesn't want his work being used for something illegal. Instead of just not releasing it (which isn't as uncommon as you might think), he added a small restriction to it that let's anyone enjoy a backup of games they own. There's nothing unreasonable about that.

Quit bitching because the author didn't compromise his values to appease some strangers.

Yes, I guess Tueidj should never release the thing and these guys will all be happy. In fact, this thread would not exist.

 

[tbgtbg]

Quit bitching because the author didn't compromise his values to appease some strangers.

Isn't that the entire purpose of this thread, though? Do all the bitching here and not in other Devolution topics?

 

[the_randomizer]

Isn't that the entire purpose of this thread, though? Do all the bitching here and not in other Devolution topics?

Because if enough people bitch, tueidj will magically change his stance on implementing the AP? Besides, Nintendont is showing promise.

 

[stomp_442]

If someone's original wii laser wore out or their gamecube game was scratched, they should morally still be entitled to play the game..

Morally entitled? I disagree with you on that part. If your Wii laser wore out then you are required to fix it before you can use it again. If any of your physical hardware is broken then you cannot use it until it's fixed. If your disc is scratched then it's a broken item and need to be repaired or replaced. If you want to load gamecube backups then get a device that will do it and quit wining. Neogamma works fine for loading gamecube backup, now go replace that broken wii with one that works (with gamecube backups). I'm glad I don't gotta depend on devo for my gamecube backups.

 

[the_randomizer]

People should use Dios Mios instead, because it does pretty much the same damn thing as Devolution. Aside from being able to play a few games that use streaming audio, there's no real advantage.

 

[Clarky]

People should use Dios Mios instead, because it does pretty much the same damn thing as Devolution. Aside from being able to play a few games that use streaming audio, there's no real advantage.

I dunno...devolution can use extras from the Wii hardware to make some games run smoother, I would call that a big advantage

 

[the_randomizer]

I dunno...devolution can use extras from the Wii hardware to make some games run smoother, I would call that a big advantage

Like what for example?

 

[Wisenheimer]

It is his program. You should either be thanking him for releasing it gratis or at least be tactful and rational in requesting any changes.

And yes, scientists and software developers do take measures to ensure legal use of their work. Google censors child pornogaphy suspected results using algorithms. Photocopiers and Photoshop code algorithms to prevent currency counterfeiting. Scientists are not going to send gene sequences or specimens of deadly bacterial strains to just anyone.

I disagree with the AP measures for several reasons others have mentioned; however, it is his program. It works well despite the minor AP flaws and I want to thank him for his work.

Be grateful for what he has given you and make something better yourself if you have the inclination, skills, and time.

It takes minutes to complain but years to build something like Devolution in your spare time.

It's not a small restriction. You need physical access to a working copy of the disc, and you need an original Wii with gamecube reading capabilities, on top of your Wii U. And you need to move the controllers back and forth. If you have all that, might as well just play it on the original Wii. The rest of us no longer have a working original Wii, or never had one, and the gamecube discs have long been destroyed, lost, or put away in storage somewhere. If someone's original wii laser wore out or their gamecube game was scratched, they should morally still be entitled to play the game. I would not go through all this trouble just to play my remaining discs in good condition. I don't need to play gamecube that much. If I really wanted gamecube, I would just put Dios Mios on my old Wii, because I still have that around. It would be nice to someday have every single version of MarioKart on my Wii U, but that isn't necessary.

Who else has morals like that? Scientists don't hold out because someone might do something illegal with it. Real software engineers don't either. MS Excel doesn't have anti book cooking protection. Google doesn't make sure you can't make drug deals. He's valuing his morality more then the enjoyment of thousands of people. It's his legal right to do that, but we can still call him out on it. Imagine if Bill Gates didn't want anyone to buy Wii Us. So he bought every single Wii U that Nintendo makes, then destroys them. he can do that I guess, but it's still a mean thing to do. On a smaller scale, if I see something good on sale at the store, I usually don't buy out the rest of their stock. I want at least one other next person to be able to get the deal too. If they only have 4 left, I might buy 2, not all 4. It's called being nice and a decent person.

 

[JoostinOnline]

You aren't entitled to a copy of the game if you broke your old one, or a new way to play it.

Yes, I guess Tueidj should never release the thing and these guys will all be happy. In fact, this thread would not exist.

I'm glad he released it. I went out and bought some GC games and put them on my HDD. However, no matter what, people will always bitch about piracy restrictions, even though they know deep down that they aren't entitled to anything.

 

[Clarky]

Like what for example?

One example of the top of my head is the midway arcade collection volume 3 with one of its rush games, in the multiplayer the game would run at a much slower pace due to more going on. With devolution Using the Wii hardware it can run the multiplayer at full speed

 

[the_randomizer]

I'm personally waiting for Nintendont for obvious reasons I do not wish to discuss lest I upset a certain group of people lol

 

[Slartibartfast42]

Morally entitled? I disagree with you on that part. If your Wii laser wore out then you are required to fix it before you can use it again. If any of your physical hardware is broken then you cannot use it until it's fixed. If your disc is scratched then it's a broken item and need to be repaired or replaced. If you want to load gamecube backups then get a device that will do it and quit wining. Neogamma works fine for loading gamecube backup, now go replace that broken wii with one that works (with gamecube backups). I'm glad I don't gotta depend on devo for my gamecube backups.

I consider buying a game to be a license to play the game indefinitely. That isn't quite how it is legally, but that is how it should be morally. Hardware is just hardware. You buy it as a means to play the software, and it lasts how it lasts. 50 years from now, the original hardware is going to be very rare and not hook up properly to anything anyways. I will still consider myself to have a license to play the games I bought. If I can get them to run on other hardware in the future, I might do it. Of course then, it'd be for the grandkids. But I could transfer my license to them, even though it isn't a real license anymore. They can play them guilt free. The original developers would be dead anyways.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I consider buying a game to be a license to play the game indefinitely.

Well I guess that makes it so. Let me try it. I consider candy to be healthy.

I'll get back to you in a week to report how much weight I lose from an all-candy diet.

 

[tbgtbg]

Because if enough people bitch, tueidj will magically change his stance on implementing the AP?

No. Because people bitching about it is a given.