Hacking What is with the CFW Wars?

[HamBone41801]

That's disabling the entire Rosalina system module, disabling just the menu wouldn't have that effect

What else would they want? Why would anyone want the module but not the menu?

 

[Bluespheal]

I love Luma because it's simple enough, and I'd use or even make other CFW if I had the knowledge and the time, and if it was really needed, however, I think Luma offers so much for little to knowledge on the subject of CFW, and the amount of issues I've had have been almost zero. That being said, I can see why people don't like the phrase "Just use Luma" it's short and somewhat "funny" but I can see why it would stir up some people, it also comes out as stingy and preachy. The "problem" lies in the number of newbies in the scene, most users just come here to have hacks and custom apps (among other things) while the minority actually develops for the 3DS, naturally Luma is gonna be way more popular because newbies will find it the easier to use at a most basic level, I believe it's popularity arises from that, it's only natural the most convenient thing for the masses is the most popular.

Then there are other problems, people who dislike Luma just because it's popular, I'm kinda also like that, however I know it's the fanbases that are the problem, so I don't let them get to me and just enjoy the game/show/whatever by itself, sadly the most annoying (and dumber) part of any fanbase are also the loudest. I also know the things I like have flaws, and I often analyze why they are flaws and what could be done to improve further the things I like. Now then, people who have been suggesting the ability to turn Rosalina off... I don't get it, it's not harmful and even if it was implemented, that wouldn't solve a thing regarding the "Just use Luma" mantra, to me it just sounds as an excuse to rain fire onto Luma, it's the only logical reason I can think of, and playing the victim card is not gonna solve anything either, other than making the divide in the community last longer, since it just seems to be a scapegoat to halt the conversation when it's turned against you. Anyway, that's what I've noticed, I could be wrong or maybe I nailed it, but arguing and stalling is just not gonna solve the issues at hand.

Cheers to everyone, and shout-outs to all the devs that make this sometimes foggy community shine ever-brightly, and to all the users that make this site worthwhile :3

 

[astronautlevel]

What else would they want? Why would anyone want the module but not the menu?

The module does a lot of patches on its own even without the menu (stuff like region emulation now). Though if you don't want the menu just don't use the buttons imo

 

[astrangeone]

Yeah, Luma works (thank you Aurora et al, seriously, it's very useful for people who want to "set it and forget it").

Should there be more support for other cfws? Definitely. I, for one would love to see a comeback of something similar to SaltFW (just a minimum cfw, just use it for loading games/apps). But since "the guide" has been out, installing Luma is the default choice because it requires little to no knowledge of how it works. (And is self-contained as a single file. No compiling code and no random troubleshooting.)

Currently with people switching over to BS9, Luma3Ds feels like it's the only option...

Luma3DS = Microsoft Windows + powershell package (most people aren't going to use Roselina, even for romhacks - but have a permanent/stable/predictable environment for .3dsx apps to run is great too)

I'm not a "power user" by any stretch, but I remember updating from rxTools to ReiNAND and then doing the update to AuReiNAND/Luma3DS because the other cfws had too many options to pick from. I liked how simple the thing is, but now with Roselina support...I dunno...

 

[siamese]

I'm not a "power user" by any stretch, but I remember updating from rxTools to ReiNAND and then doing the update to AuReiNAND/Luma3DS because the other cfws had too many options to pick from. I liked how simple the thing is

I like luma 3ds, from day one. No problems at all, cant find a reason for using another cfw. Thanks Aurora Wright fou your effort.

 

[01000]

Luma3ds is the most noob friendly CFW out there. It even says it in the GitHub page, "Noob-proof (N)3DS 'Custom Firmware'". There is a reason why 3ds.guide recommends it for your CFW. Honestly, telling new people to use it is not bad. The only reason why it could be bad is if you just don't like it. Nobody requires you to use it. If you don't like it, don't use it.

 

[Joom]

Can someone explain to me, as unbiased and detailed as they care to, why are people so bothered about using Luma?
I even saw a comment along the lines of "I wouldn't use Luma if it was the only CFW that existed."

What's actually wrong with it?

"My dick is bigger than yours."
"Nuh uh."
/thread

 

[Billy Acuña]

Luma3ds is the most noob friendly CFW out there. It even says it in the GitHub page, "Noob-proof (N)3DS 'Custom Firmware'". There is a reason why 3ds.guide recommends it for your CFW. Honestly, telling new people to use it is not bad. The only reason why it could be bad is if you just don't like it. Nobody requires you to use it. If you don't like it, don't use it.

Actually ReiNand is more noob-friendly then Luma.

 

[einhuman197]

I can tell you my reason why I don't like Luma (not hate)
It's simple:
Removing arm9loaderhax support
I have modded six 3ds from my friends. Normally, I just had to update Luma. Instead, I had to update to b9s for all of them, although they don't need more and arm9loaderhax still does it's thing. @d0k3 does it right: keeping arm9loaderhax and boot9strap support.

 

[Joom]

Actually ReiNand is more noob-friendly then Luma.

Does it wipe your ass as well? I didn't think things could get much easier than dragging and dropping files. Guess I just put too much faith into humanity.

 

[Billy Acuña]

Does it wipe your ass as well? I didn't think things could get much easier than dragging and dropping files. Guess I just put too much faith into humanity.

Trust me, there is a lot of threads of guys having problems setting up languaje emulation.

 

[RustInPeace]

I can tell you my reason why I don't like Luma (not hate)
It's simple:
Removing arm9loaderhax support
I have modded six 3ds from my friends. Normally, I just had to update Luma. Instead, I had to update to b9s for all of them, although they don't need more and arm9loaderhax still does it's thing. @d0k3 does it right: keeping arm9loaderhax and boot9strap support.

dok3 in the release notes is very adamant in saying people should update to B9S, it's only a matter of time before A9LH is left in the dust. Going from A9LH to B9S is really quick, you're probably annoyed by the prospect of doing that for multiple consoles, it does add up. I have 7 consoles and it took me an hour to get all those from A9LH to B9S, but it's 1 hour of your life, inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

 

[CrimsonMaple]

Can you provide the source code for the release you linked?

I am willing to send you the source code to comply with the rulings of GPL v3. I'll just upload it to a github.

 

[Joom]

I can tell you my reason why I don't like Luma (not hate)
It's simple:
Removing arm9loaderhax support
I have modded six 3ds from my friends. Normally, I just had to update Luma. Instead, I had to update to b9s for all of them, although they don't need more and arm9loaderhax still does it's thing. @d0k3 does it right: keeping arm9loaderhax and boot9strap support.

This is like complaining about Microsoft dropping support for XP. Using @d0k3 as an example is also a poor choice seeing as his tools don't work the same way as a custom firmware. He also offers NDS builds for the five MSET users still remaining, yet you don't see people claiming that that's more convenient than B9S.

 

[Cuphat]

Trust me, there is a lot of threads of guys having problems setting up languaje emulation.

Does ReiNand even have language/region emulation?

 

[kuwanger]

Throwing in my two cents, I don't really see the reason for the whole CFW Wars either. Certainly, there's a lot that has been promised before (CakesFW seemed like an interesting idea) that really haven't panned out, so I'm very much in the wait and see camp. I will say I appreciate all the effort in developing A9LH and B9S as well as the various CFWs I've used so far. It certainly wasn't just one person or one group responsible for where we're at today. We have more reason to congratulate every contributor, even we have moved on from their project, than to speak out in hate.

PS - For example, I have one o3DS on menuhax + rxtools until Magnethax is released (because I gifted it to someone else and want to guarantee against even the remotest possibility of a brick (likely human error)). And I have a 2DS and a n3DS on B9S v1.0 and Luma v7.1 (because currently I have no motivation to update). Which leads to...

This is like complaining about Microsoft dropping support for XP.

People complain because Microsoft has focused on the "good enough" principle. Ie, Windows was created to be noob-friendly--I don't mean that as an insult, btw--and provide enough of what people need in an OS to use it. Windows XP specifically fit that bill being the first consumer-focused* version of Windows that had gaming support and proper memory protection. So, it's little surprise most people wanted updates and nothing more**. Honestly, I'm not sure how that would actually play out for MS given their whole OEM licensing*** thing. *shrug*

* As someone who used Windows 2000 for quite a while, I realize it actually had all the stated features. It just was sold as "for the average consumer".

** Actually untrue. People want support for WiFi, the install disc to be regularly updated with current "standard" drivers, support for 4K sector HDDs, proper considering of SSDs, etc. So, minor updates worthy of a Service Pak, maybe?

*** Your computer owns the Windows license or something. Ie, even if you have a 10 year old copy of XP on a system, you can't "legally" move it to your new system so you're still stuck buying a new copy of Windows XP/10/whatever. Since that's where most of MS's Windows revenue comes from... So, yea, no idea why they didn't just put Windows into some sort of legacy-support setup where big changes weren't a thing. I guess it goes against the MS ethos and there's a fear that some other company could swoop in and be cool and start a CFW^H^H^HOS War and take over. Yea, well, humans do work that way.

 

[Joom]

People complain because Microsoft has focused on the "good enough" principle. Ie, Windows was created to be noob-friendly--I don't mean that as an insult, btw--and provide enough of what people need in an OS to use it. Windows XP specifically fit that bill being the first consumer-focused* version of Windows that had gaming support and proper memory protection. So, it's little surprise most people wanted updates and nothing more**. Honestly, I'm not sure how that would actually play out for MS given their whole OEM licensing*** thing. *shrug*

Except there's been four (five, technically, but I don't want to chalk up 8.1 as a major release even though it made 8 usable) major Windows releases since XP. People have had an ample amount of time to make the upgrade and learn how to use these new versions of Windows, yet they continue to use XP out of sheer ignorance. Fear of something breaking during the upgrade just stems from that ignorance. People refuse to read, comprehend, and deduce as they should, and choose to remain ignorant on these subjects, and are therefore unable to make these upgrades without fear. All it takes is following bullet point instructions, and yet people still put their hands on stove eyes. When these things no longer work due to age they complain even more because developers stopped catering to obsolete software. They act like they're owed support for whatever reason, and throw a tantrum when they don't get it because they're so conditioned to be entitled shits that they won't even put forth the effort to support themselves. Windows is just one example, though. I like how you mentioned that people would have preferred a rolling release update scheme for XP (like what 10 has), yet if anything, Linux distributions should be a shining example of why a rolling release model isn't entirely ideal. After so long the entire OS has to be reinstalled because something using new standards is introduced that fucks everything else up because everything else doesn't follow these new standards (the introduction of systemd comes to mind, which resulted in the same kind of bitching we're seeing here). Technology is ever changing and evolving in all sects. I fail to understand how people can't grasp this. They seem to understand that a new iPhone released every fall is the norm, but when it comes to something not force fed down their throats through broadcast commercialism they panic and become irrationally aggressive.

Anyway, I'm drunk and I don't know why I even came to this thread. Everyone here complaining over free shit that enables them to get even more free shit should seriously evaluate themselves. It's just a video game console.

 

[naddel81]

I love a9lh and luma 7.0.5. it runs great. I am not missing anything. every game boots just fine. why change?

 

[Joom]

I love a9lh and luma 7.0.5. it runs great. I am not missing anything. every game boots just fine. why change?

More features like not relying on hax payloads, sighax, the ability to create and use third party DSP firmwares, and other general improvements that I can't be bothered to list.

 

[8BitWalugi]

I just wish I could disable the Rosalina menu. I don't want it, and if I did I'd use BootNTR.

The automatic SD-FS thing is the only feature that sticks out to me as especially fantastic.

Until then, I'll stick to the 7.1 B9S1.3 build