Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

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  1. Snugglevixen

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    Transgender people require delicate psychological and medical assessments, medication and surgery. On top of that, many also suffer depression and join the military for the wrong reasons. Few are combat ready.

    The "transgender movement" is detrimental to real gender dysphoric people and focuses on all the wrong things. Trans people need better access to effective assessment and treatment, not nutjobs crying identity, social constructs, public restrooms etc. and lumping nonbinary (completely different issue) under the transgender umbrella.

    A real transperson is someone who is dysphoric with the physical gender they were born with, gets assessed by a psychologist and gets hormones and surgery to achieve a body they mentally fit into. They also identify as men or women, not transmen or transwomen, and likewise identify "cis people" as just men or women, because their goal isn't to discriminate or alienate themselves.
     
  2. osm70

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    They seem to think they can do that. You seem to think they can't. What makes you think your opinion is better than theirs?
     
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  5. AmandaRose

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    So a personal belief is OK on this site even though it is full of hatred?
     
  6. Lilith Valentine

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    I respect you and I am going to be honest with you, the transphobic comments are mostly lowkey dog whistles that reporting each one and explaining them would just flood the report section and personally, I really don't want to break down each comment one by one. I can if someone personally wants talk about that, but that's beside the point. The issue is that if this were a topic with the same wording, but about race, it wouldn't have last until this point. There is an issue where the staff finds transphobia to be acceptable debatable subject and continue to argue it as such when such an argument is rather clear hypocrisy. People are entitled to their own opinions, that's very much true, but that doesn't mean they need to be respected nor given a platform when their opinions so clearly violate the rules of a private site and would be punished if given just small detail changes. In other words, if we don't give a platform to racism, we shouldn't give a platform for transphobia.
     
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  7. Memoir

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    People really like to throw -phobic around like it's going out of style. Someone giving their opinion on transgenderism shouldn't instantly be labeled as hate speech or "transphobia". It should be regarded as the former, which is open to interpretation and discussion. As it should be. All the slander and truly toxic comments are dealt with far quicker than they used to be. Just because you don't, and won't agree with it doesn't make their views wrong. Some of you really ought to be the bigger person and just walk away instead of instigating an issue where there should be none.
     
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  8. osm70

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    Is that really possible, though? If you take the statement and replace "trans" with "black", it will make no sense.
     
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  9. Lilith Valentine

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    Expect the OP is transphobic and is being transphobic. It's one thing if the OP was someone talking out ignorance and other when it's out of malice. If this topic was asking questions regarding the ban and issues revolving around it, that's one thing. It's another when the OP outright inserted their own opinions as facts and continued making transphobic comments that quite frankly have nothing to do with this actual article.
    It's also worth noting (again) that transphobia goes beyond simply disagreeing with someone and the results of transphobia have resulted in real-world harm to people.
    Maybe a few more details changes here and there, but yeah. The OP could say that Black people shouldn't be involved with the military due to the higher rate of gang violence in primarily black neighborhoods. Although not 1 to 1 the same thing, it's still the same concept of cherrypicking to justify bigotted ideas.
     
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    science. FACT. Cut off whatever parts you like... you still have a Y and an X chromosome or two X chromosomes. Not a damn thing you do is going to change that. XY is male, XX is female. PERIOD. If you were born with a penis, you're a man. Sorry, but it's not an opinion. Any notion otherwise is about as dumb as a flat Earth.

    EDIT: And just to be clear, I honestly don't hold anything against people to feel that their likes/dislikes/mannerisms/etc relate more to the opposite sex. The idea that all men must dress and act one way, and all women another, is flawed to its core, and this ideology is why we have discussions like this. The only problem I have is that most trans present themselves like they are ACTUALLY the opposite sex, trapped in the wrong body. No, you're not actually a woman or supposed to be a woman. You just happen to think and feel like what society has deemed a woman should be. It's not the same thing. Everyone on both sides is confused about this.
     
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    I completely agree, and while I can't catch everything, I'll do my best to not allow for such a platform. Where a thread on race relations would be ideal to discuss racism and its negative connotations, here is an ideal place to do the same for transphobia and other issues facing trans individuals. No rule against swarming OP's thread with relatively on-topic posts, after all. :lol:

    Nor that you should feel pressured to, but trans members are of course free to create their own threads in this subforum as often as they wish; there's no denying trans issues are becoming more mainstream in politics and the news.
     
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    And yet, you can't deny that trans people exist. And they probably aren't trans because they want to, right? I mean, why would anyone choose to go through all this trouble for no good reason? Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that they feel like they need to (not want to) change?

    EDIT: Typo
     
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    ...And that's actualy a good thing for USA. This is for what you people should be thankful to Trump.
    In army you need mentaly stable people, not self-centered crybabies that make tantrums over wrong pronouns, lack of their favorite soya-based drink in rations and gender-neutral toilets.
    Just think about what would happen if USA would start compulsory military service and drafts in enviroment where there's no strict rules about who can be a soldier. No one will then ask if these people want to be part of it, they just will be forced to do it and it will be a freaking mess.
     
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    I feel you, but most of the time that just ends pretty badly because the staff isn't really doing anything about the transphobic members on this site. In all honesty, the reason most don't make threads and or have quit is that we don't feel safe nor welcome in the forums and then when we try to address the issues, it becomes this thread. In several cases, we get warned because we tried to address transphobic comments. I know you and I know that you are a good person trying to encourage us, but there's a lot more going on than just this thread.
     
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    Go back and read my edit. I understand the sociology/phsychology behind it. At least I feel that I do. But in reality, it's not about being a man or a woman. Nothing anybody does, trans or not, changes what gender you were born with; you will ALWAYS be that gender.
     
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    Wait, let me get this straight. You are saying that if you start a thread about trans issues and people start attacking you, you can get warned for self-defense?
     
  17. AmandaRose

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    Whatever you do in your private life and the way that you choose to express yourself is something that shouldn't be infringed upon. However in a public and law viewpoint, I would say that if your are MtF or FtM you should always be identified with what you biologically are, as to avoid any harmful and awful abuses of the way that you express yourself. I also believe that it should be down to the people in regards to these types of issues and that the best way for this to be enacted should have been with some kind of direct democratic procedure.
     
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    I am not going to lie, that has actually happened before because "Flaming, even in self-defense, is strictly prohibited." It's happened to several people that I have been talking to for years now.
     
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    How extreme the "defense" is what warrants the warn. There are other methods in place to get a desired outcome instead of blatantly attacking someone. Which does happen, a lot.
     
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    If people are truly attacking you, you need to report the posts and not retaliate.
     
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    There's a large number of immutable characteristics that can disqualify someone from military service, this goes well beyond disability. For instance, the U.S. Military has decided that anyone who wishes to enlist needs to have an IQ of 85 at minimum. The military is the only organisation legally allowed to discriminate based on IQ, no other employer, private or public, is allowed to use intelligence testing in enrollment. This raises many uncomfortable questions due to the disparity in IQ based on genetics, economic standing, upbringing etc., even race, and I don't see any issue with discussing any of that. In fact, I would rather see such topics discussed instead of being brushed off and hidden under the rug where prejudice is allowed to fester away from the public eye. You might consider this stance to be - phobic, I think it's the exact opposite. We should not be afraid to discuss uncomfortable subjects and if you consider any posts to be infringing upon anyone's rights, you *should* report them and substantiate your opinion. I wish to see this community built on dialogue, not on stonewalling uncomfortable subjects and penalising users for their speech while coddling others. I have no intention to smother people with kindness, that's not a way to progress any community.
     
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