Trump Raid and the End of the United States (Padraig Martin)

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Ask an anthropologist, they are the experts and all agree.

Do I also need to ask the experts what a woman is? Typical leftist.
If polar bears and brown bears are different races (brown bears make brown bears and polar bears polar bears; and together they make a mix), then Subsaharan Africans and Europeans are different races.
You can swap out the word for another if it makes you uncomfortable, but the biological principle remains.

BTW have people seen the change of terminology on live mainstream television? Somebody from the FBI was interviewed and said that the FBI does not like the term "raid" and instead prefers "search". Within seconds, the title at the bottom of the screen was changed. Soviet nostalgia...

 

[KennyAtom]

Look, I've been a long time right leaning guy, but even I can tell Trump broke the law here.

It's the reason I refer to myself as right leaning, and not republican, because people associate you with being a brain dead, stupid son of a bitch traitor when you say you were a republican, and not if you say you are right leaning.

 

[kevin corms]

I do want add one thing, if trump goes to jail it will be based on a law he passed.

 

[kevin corms]

Do I also need to ask the experts what a woman is? Typical leftist.
If polar bears and brown bears are different races (brown bears make brown bears and polar bears polar bears; and together they make a mix), then Subsaharan Africans and Europeans are different races.
You can swap out the word for another if it makes you uncomfortable, but the biological principle remains.

BTW have people seen the change of terminology on live mainstream television? Somebody from the FBI was interviewed and said that the FBI does not like the term "raid" and instead prefers "search". Within seconds, the title at the bottom of the screen was changed. Soviet nostalgia...

Imaginary lines have nothing to do with facts. Polar bears and black bears aren’t just a different color

There simply isn’t much difference between people anywhere. Spare me the social science.

 

[Tsukiru]

Only here to comment that reading "the End of the United States" is one of the funniest things I've read, only yo be followed up with "The rest of the democratic world looked upon the United States as a model for successful representative government". I feel like calling for officer's who "pushed back" to be sent to Gitmo is actually more reason why the democratic world doesn't look at the US in that light.

 

[Tsukiru]

Do I also need to ask the experts what a woman is? Typical leftist.

IDK if you need to hear this but it is insanely normal to default to an expert on a question like "why don't we have different kinds" (like the fact no one in the field says kinds. Brown bears and polar bears are different species under the 7 classifications, while humans do not have this). It would make complete sense to leave that to someone who knows how the classifications work.

I do not know why your brain tried to link it to "what a woman is" (who are also not a different species) and thought that was cool enough to smugly say "typical leftist". It's not related beyond a sad attempt at a dunk.

 

[RAHelllord]

Do I also need to ask the experts what a woman is? Typical leftist.
If polar bears and brown bears are different races (brown bears make brown bears and polar bears polar bears; and together they make a mix), then Subsaharan Africans and Europeans are different races.
You can swap out the word for another if it makes you uncomfortable, but the biological principle remains.

BTW have people seen the change of terminology on live mainstream television? Somebody from the FBI was interviewed and said that the FBI does not like the term "raid" and instead prefers "search". Within seconds, the title at the bottom of the screen was changed. Soviet nostalgia...

Do you understand what a species is? Brown bears and polar bears are genetically much farther away from each other than any human from any other human, regardless of their skin color.
Our genetic diversity as a species is not large enough to deserve a classification into different subspecies. If you wouldn't call black haired and blonde haired individuals as different "races" then neither are people with different skin colors because the genetic differences are on the same level as hair color.

 

[kevin corms]

IDK if you need to hear this but it is insanely normal to default to an expert on a question like "why don't we have different kinds" (like the fact no one in the field says kinds. Brown bears and polar bears are different species under the 7 classifications, while humans do not have this). It would make complete sense to leave that to someone who knows how the classifications work.

I do not know why your brain tried to link it to "what a woman is" (who are also not a different species) and thought that was cool enough to smugly say "typical leftist". It's not related beyond a sad attempt at a dunk.

I find it funny that tribalists call me a trump supporter and a leftist on the same thread on a forum. Truth is I just don’t have much filter and I would consider myself a pacifist anarchist if I needed a label.

 

[CMDreamer]

The fact that they can attempt the gulag treatment on Trump should be a massive wake-up to any powerless, ordinary citizen with an unpopular view. They are coming for you, next.

This is pure contradiction. First you point out that Trumpet is "one of a kind, billionare", and now you try to sell the idea that when Trumpet gets raided by the FBi, they're "raiding" the whole U.S. population; when in first stance Trumpet didn't represented the whole U.S. citizens, but the opposite, Trumpet represented (and still do) those minorities that seek and see raids as something that should be done whenever they don't get what they want.

Trumpet represents not a future but a return to Middle Ages, willing to build higher walls while trying to protect a very few that can pay for such protection or are friends, family or colleagues of them.

Don't try to say that the U.S. is rotten now that Trumpet must face the law, when your political system is rotten from the roots, and got worse right after "The Western" years ended. If you can't see it, then you now nothing about your own country's history.

 

[xIce101x]

What a title

 

[Tsukiru]

I find it funny that tribalists call me a trump supporter and a leftist on the same thread on a forum. Truth is I just don’t have much filter and I would consider myself a pacifist anarchist if I needed a label.

It's what I would expect from the most successful representative government, obviously.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Do you understand what a species is? Brown bears and polar bears are genetically much farther away from each other than any human from any other human, regardless of their skin color.

They have split longer ago than all human races but they can produce offspring together. It was just an example. If polar bears and brown bears can be considered species, surely humans can be considered races/subspecies:

Our genetic diversity as a species is not large enough to deserve a classification into different subspecies. If you wouldn't call black haired and blonde haired individuals as different "races" then neither are people with different skin colors because the genetic differences are on the same level as hair color.

I´m not calling human races "races" because of a single trait. Pygmys (see above) have the same skin color as some Subsaharan African races, but they are very distinct. You could theoretically create a blond race through isolation but it hasn´t happened. That´s why I don´t call blonds a seperate race. Sweden is pretty blonde (more than 50%). If you took blonds (who don´t have brown hair genes in them which is extremely rare) and isolated them on an island for 10000 years, perhaps I would call them a different race. But hair color would be only one trait that would differ. Races are about gene clusters.

The principle of isolation is the same as with bears:

"Male brown bears swam across to the islands from the Alaskan mainland and mated with female polar bears, eventually transforming the polar bear population into brown bears.
Polar bears are genetically a very homogeneous species, with no evidence of brown bear genes in the population."
"[...]about the evolutionary history of the two species, which are closely related and known to produce fertile hybrids."
https://www.universityofcalifornia....ationship-between-polar-bears-and-brown-bears

 

[MikaDubbz]

I think it's too late, but to be honest, I think it is at least 20 years too late.
The empire is falling, and it's not exactly good for anybody. IMHO.
But perhaps I am just pessimistic.

I'm just saying that if people think that THIS is the move that ruins America, then they are ridiculously out of touch.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

I was shocked to see that former President of the United States, Donald Trump, had his home raided by the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).

wasn't shocked.

For those who hate Trump, it is important to note that this raid is more than just Trump.

Yes it is just Trump

Trump is a polarizing figure in American politics.

And?

Trump is also a billionaire. This is not an ordinary, well intentioned political protester who walked the Halls of Congress on January 6th

January6th was a coup attempt. 14 characteristics of fascism, Trump lands on all 14.
They are the following

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   "Make American Great Again" Matches patriotic motto.
   
   
   
   Flag condition matched. Then of course you have the bumper stickers and hats.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   Support of removal abortion. Plain and simple. Republican party can dress it up as "states rights" but within their states, they removed that right.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   "Back the Blue!"
   as a response to BLM
   "The illegals are out to rape, kill, and take your benefits crossing the boarder illegally. We must build a wall!"
   As a dog whistle against Mexicans.
   "ANTIFA did X"
   As a scapegoat for Jan6th
   (insert CRT comment. Or Transphobia)
   We also know this rehetroic drives people to kill, or injure, see the 31. White nationalists/facists who wanted to injure people at a Pride parade)
   
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   I don't need to explain this one. What country and what is the thing we spend the most on answers it.
   
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   Self explanatory, and already a given. Remember when trans people were banned from the military? and or still being denied health care services?
6. Controlled Mass Media
   Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   Trump: All the news is fake news except the news I agree with
7. Obsession with National Security
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   See border security in point 3.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
   supreme court eroding the seperation of church and state. And Trump doing photo ops with bible.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
   Trump and co providing tax breaks and cuts for the rich, while only temporarily providing tax cuts for poor, raising them further.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
    
    
    Anti union.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    See lack of funding schools and teachers by Republican party
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    LAW and ORDER!
    Says the party who is now whining about the FBI they setup.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    See Trump's ally's asking for pardons on jan6th.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    
    See jan6th.

He should have been more aggressive regarding the removal of far-left activists

False, republican party would of supported looking into extremism in departments. Nearly all of them voted no on that bill. Wonder why (cough, hint, it's because the police force has a nazi problem)

Displaying imagery that expresses your bended knee toward Washington, DC, is an indication of your loyalties. You have chosen the Union over the Founding Principles. You have chosen elected bureaucrats over your own people. You have shown that when we need you, you will not be there for us.

This is a fascist call. Anarchists and left leaning adjacent ideologies will and never bend to any state, we look out for each other. Not a state, not a country.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

He should have acted the part and saved civilized society.

Part of fascism is seeing a figure is a savoir, idealizing one person to the extreme, despite all the evidence that exists. And even then, it's difficult for those to see that evidence for those who are caught in it. The door has been shut on them for those who have entered the far right rabbit hole. Any evidence that they don't like is either not spoken, or twisted to the point that it's long lost it's original meaning or factuality behind it within continuous boiling rage. Looking for the next immedate thing to get angry at.

 

[Creamu]

I'm just saying that if people think that THIS is the move that ruins America, then they are ridiculously out of touch.

Yeah in general, the movements you see happening are the result of a greater whole. However, Trump is a big shiny symbol. Him becoming president didnt look good. I mean a reality TV star merchant type as president of the most powerful empire oof. This now with raid doesnt look good as well. It is altogether a bad look I think.

 

[Creamu]

'“Number one, it was all declassified. Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything,” Mr. Trump said in a statement. “They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request. They could have had it anytime they wanted—and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK.”'

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/12/donald-trump-under-investigation-violating-espiona/

'The bigger problem is, what are they going to do with the 33 million pages of documents, many of which are classified, that President Obama took to Chicago?'
-Donald Trump

 

[Osakasan]

'“Number one, it was all declassified. Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything,” Mr. Trump said in a statement. “They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request. They could have had it anytime they wanted—and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK.”'

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/12/donald-trump-under-investigation-violating-espiona/

That's, literally, "if the president does it it isn't wrong" and it doesn't work like that.

Fuck, i'm spanish and even I know that.

Declassified documents still CAN'T get taken out of the official government archives, and it's a crime to do so.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

'“Number one, it was all declassified.

No they weren't declassifed. Even if they were however, he is holding property of the united states as a no longer sitting president. If I worked for the government, kept documents they provided and did not give it back after I was fired or left. I'd be in jail for not complying to give those documents back. And that's basic documents, not TSCI level documents. Which requires a separate agency to approve declassifying because it's that senstive. (TSCI stands for top secret senstive compartmentalized information.)
Which by the way TSCI IS THEE highest level of classification. It requires a dedicated area and staff to *even look* at those documents because it's that important, and NEVER leaves the whitehouse unless it's being securely transported by members who handle that.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything

Yes they did need to seize it, as trump did not comply with providing the documents he was supposed to provide that are the goverments own papers/property. And also before someone makes a fool of themselves, the national archive association (the one agency responsible for handling these documents) said that Obama did comply with providing the documents back, and did not hold onto anything.