Trump 2024 - Is it inevitable?

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Hello everybody,

Joe Biden is a great president, perhaps even the best president the USA ever had. But I'm concerned that his old age won't allow him to be the president of the USA till 2028. So it's unlikely that he will extend his period. But what compelling candidate can the democratic side offer, that can unite the increasingly fractured american population? In my view there really is no other candidate on that side that could do that like Joe Biden.

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On the other side we have Ron DeSantis. An evil man no doubt, but he has certain qualites that could make him at least a competent president. However, I do believe he is too obviously astroturfed and even evil bigots on the right have become aware enough not to take the bait. For this reason I don't think it is plausible for him to gather enough grass roots support to be president. You cant completly fake this stuff, there must be at least some real energy behind it.

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This leaves us with evil Donald Trump. I think he will win the next election, just because there are no viable candidates. Now, I am pretty sure that everyone on every side of the spectrum from extremist terrorist like the republicans to the democratic side can agree that would be a quite unfortunate future. Donald Trump is not only a nasty evil old man, he also is incompetent beyond believe. He doesn't even follow up on his evil promises.

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Please explain to me how I am wrong, or how this outcome can be prevented. We have time still to move things into the direction of a brighter future.
 
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Joe Biden is a great president, perhaps even the best president the USA ever had.
He won against evil Donald Trump. He prevented a pandamic to decimate the american population. He is very tactfully handling the situation in Ukraine. Which US-President has managed so many obsticales of this grand scale?
 

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I think it's likely Biden will run in 2024. I also think it's likely that Trump will get the nomination in 2024 if he runs (if he doesn't run, whichever candidate gets his support will probably get the nomination). I don't feel confident enough to make any other predictions yet. Let's see how the midterm elections go.

What concerns me most is pro-Trump Republicans setting the stage to overturn election results they don't like in 2024.
 

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Hello everybody,

Joe Biden is a great president, perhaps even the best president the USA ever had.
Erm...you're of course entitled to your opinion, but it's way to fucking early to make these sorts of statements.
* the retreat from Afghanistan was somewhere between sloppy and a total failure, depending on your political side. But no way it's the best that could've been done
* the strong divide between political parties hasn't diminished. Fuck...this Roe vs Wade overturning just shows that republicans basically rule the country
* likewise: the amount of fake news, paranoia, conspiracy theories and such have barely left the office with Trump
* the Ukranian war is just way too young to attribute winners, let alone hand out these kinds of congratulations

Yes, I know: he inherited the country in about the worst situation possible (covid, Trump's big lie, Russian situation) so he has the potential to become a great president. But that all depends on the outcome, and that's far from certain.

But I'm concerned that his old age won't allow him to be the president of the USA till 2028. So it's unlikely that he will extend his period. But what compelling candidate can the democratic side offer, that can unite the increasingly fractured american population? In my view there really is no other candidate on that side that could do that like Joe Biden.
Sorry, but your concern isn't making it unlikely by itself. I think he'll be just running for president again.
Also: the elephant in the room...Trump's only four years younger (74 vs 78 as of writing). Hardly the difference. My grandmother's nearing 97 and still lives at home. Not that I would want her to run for president, but she can do that while others 20 years younger are no longer self-sufficient, which show that old age symptoms reveal themselves different for everyone. If at all.

This leaves us with evil Donald Trump. I think he will win the next election, just because there are no viable candidates.
You just mentioned DeSantis as Trump's replacement. If Trump won't run (it's still possible he'll be held accountable for his actions...or simply have deteriorated too far mentally to convince even his supporters) he's still the likely candidate for the admittedly big user base Trump has gathered.

But I wouldn't count out the more average republicans either. Mitt Romney and Lizz Cheney aren't popular with their colleagues (and/or fox news? I tend to avoid that clown circus, so I'm not sure), but I wouldn't count them out.


But to get back to the democrat side...in all seriousness: what's wrong with Kamala Harris? The only negative I can think of is a big one ("she won't convince the large group of racists and misogynists in the country to vote for her"), but not her fault.

Okay, and there's of course Bernie. Unfortunately, his two runs have pretty much shown that the USA is just not ready for 21st century's ideas. :creep:

Please explain to me how I am wrong, or how this outcome can be prevented. We have time still to move things into the direction of a brighter future.
To be fair: I get your concerns. I think they're overblown a bit, but not by much. But regardless: the average gbatemper doesn't have the power to prevent any sort of outcome in terms of presidents. In terms of action, it's better to just move those things in the direction of a brighter future yourself rather than hoping you'll see a name on a presidential ballot you'll trust.
 
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I think it's likely Biden will run in 2024.
I hope that is true. Alot of people seem to think, and I assume they are being honest, that in their view his candidacy in 2020 was a strech, because he did seem in focus a lot of times to them. If he is fit enough in 2024 he surely will win. No doubt. For those who question his qualities, I have to ask to name a better candidate.
I also think it's likely that Trump will get the nomination in 2024 if he runs (if he doesn't run, whichever candidate gets his support will probably get the nomination).
A man like him would not pass on that opportunity I think, lets hope he can't take advantage of a potentially vulnerable Joe Biden. Trump has no decency and would exploit any chance he sees to point out and question Bidens health.
I don't feel confident enough to make any other predictions yet. Let's see how the midterm elections go.
Well, my analysis is reductionist. I look at whats there and what is plausible, and I don't see anything close to the comptency of Biden or Trumps deviancy, which attracts alot of evil people to vote for him.
What concerns me most is pro-Trump Republicans setting the stage to overturn election results they don't like in 2024.
Oh yes. They did try it last time and they will be even better prepared this time. I do think Trump is that type of leader. Look at his historic role models:

This guy is dangerous. How can we prevent this from happening?
Erm...you're of course entitled to your opinion, but it's way to fucking early to make these sorts of statements.
I see your point. But Biden has overcome obsticales of historic magnitude that I think no other president compares really.
* the retreat from Afghanistan was somewhere between sloppy and a total failure, depending on your political side. But no way it's the best that could've been done
Yes, but at least he had the balls to do it. Trump promised to do it and did not to it at all. Maybe a earlier retreat would have been cleaner. Poor Biden was left with this mess to deal with.
* the strong divide between political parties hasn't diminished. Fuck...this Roe vs Wade overturning just shows that republicans basically rule the country
This is true. But the republicans are only reactionary agents without any vision. The democrats want to start a new paradigm where transgender is as american as apple pie and that even for little children. You may not like it but you've got to admit that those are extremly bold moves on a histroical scale. The republicans got nothing and fail to inspire a vital movement.
* likewise: the amount of fake news, paranoia, conspiracy theories and such have barely left the office with Trump
Thats just the noisefloor of political debate in a falling western civilisation.
* the Ukranian war is just way too young to attribute winners, let alone hand out these kinds of congratulations
Morally Biden stands way above evil Vladimir Putin. And if you no the literature in war moral right is king.
Yes, I know: he inherited the country in about the worst situation possible (covid, Trump's big lie, Russian situation) so he has the potential to become a great president. But that all depends on the outcome, and that's far from certain.
True, but he looks quite solid so far, way better than alot of other presidents in the history in the united states so far in his term.
Sorry, but your concern isn't making it unlikely by itself. I think he'll be just running for president again.
Well I hope you are right.
Also: the elephant in the room...Trump's only four years younger (74 vs 78 as of writing). Hardly the difference. My grandmother's nearing 97 and still lives at home. Not that I would want her to run for president, but she can do that while others 20 years younger are no longer self-sufficient, which show that old age symptoms reveal themselves different for everyone. If at all.
Yes, but I think Biden has the harder job of the two. Since Trumps goal is the destruction of decency and Biden's goal is to create a new order in america I think it is unfair to compare the two.
You just mentioned DeSantis as Trump's replacement. If Trump won't run (it's still possible he'll be held accountable for his actions...or simply have deteriorated too far mentally to convince even his supporters) he's still the likely candidate for the admittedly big user base Trump has gathered.
DeSantis will loose against against any democrat candidate. He is too obviously bait.

But I wouldn't count out the more average republicans either. Mitt Romney and Lizz Cheney aren't popular with their colleagues (and/or fox news? I tend to avoid that clown circus, so I'm not sure), but I wouldn't count them out.
Mitt Romney as a mormon is not a canidate that can tackle the challenges of the new world. How do you see him deal with the debates of the day. He is just too far off and not evil, at least not in an obvious way, enough to attract the hateful masses that threaten our democracy.
But to get back to the democrat side...in all seriousness: what's wrong with Kamala Harris?
She is just not intelligent enough. You can fake alot of things but she is just to stupid, I'm sorry if that offends anyone.
The only negative I can think of is a big one ("she won't convince the large group of racists and misogynists in the country to vote for her"), but not her fault.
Yes, this doesn't help either. She maybe able to attract non-white racists, but there are so little people of color that are racist that this is just not a viable route.
Okay, and there's of course Bernie. Unfortunately, his two runs have pretty much shown that the USA is just not ready for 21st century's ideas. :creep:
Bernie, no one believes Bernie anymore.
To be fair: I get your concerns. I think they're overblown a bit, but not by much.
How so? You know that Trump can overthrow our democracy?
But regardless: the average gbatemper doesn't have the power to prevent any sort of outcome in terms of presidents.
This I believe is wrong. I estimate that the average gbatempy is more intelligent and cultivated that the average. I think its a critical demographic that is able to move things in a big way with intelligence and creativity.
In terms of action, it's better to just move those things in the direction of a brighter future yourself rather than hoping you'll see a name on a presidential ballot you'll trust.
Sure, but you should hold the line on all fronts. You are not alone. We are in this together. If we let loose than we may find ourselves in positions that are so desperate, where we have to resort to their tactics. We are better then this. When we act in cruel ways like them, than we are just like them.

We need to tell them that it doesn't have to be this way. They don't have to do this, there is another way.
 

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Not sure honestly. Trump's biggest fear is being labeled a loser, and he's also the only person who can make Biden look good by comparison. I'd say equal odds we get a Trump-endorsed DeSantis running instead, which would honestly be the smarter move from a republican perspective. He's just as shitty a person and still a Florida man, but he doesn't carry the baggage of having killed half a million Americans by bungling the pandemic response.
 
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I don't think he has much to lose at this point, being one of the biggest losers in presidential history.
True, but he doesn't accept that loss as legitimate and neither do his cultists. If he does run again, he'll keep harping on the idea that 2020 was stolen from him throughout the entire campaign. Losing a second time, however, might cause some of his most loyal devotees to start questioning that narrative, and might even be enough to cause him a full-on psychological break.
 

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Not sure honestly. Trump's biggest fear is being labeled a loser, and he's also the only person who can make Biden look good by comparison.
I don't think so but lets move on.
I'd say equal odds we get a Trump-endorsed DeSantis running instead, which would honestly be the smarter move from a republican perspective. He's just as shitty a person and still a Florida man, but he doesn't carry the baggage of having killed half a million Americans by bungling the pandemic response.
He will not be voted for, for being a florida man. The evil right wing wants a more italian style leader like trump.
True, but he doesn't accept that loss as legitimate and neither do his cultists. If he does run again, he'll keep harping on the idea that 2020 was stolen from him throughout the entire campaign. Losing a second time, however, might cause some of his most loyal devotees to start questioning that narrative, and might even be enough to cause him a full-on psychological break.
Yes
 

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Joe Biden is a great president, perhaps even the best president the USA ever had.

Don't get ahead of yourself, please. Even I do not think this and I do not even consider myself a republican.

He won against evil Donald Trump. He prevented a pandamic to decimate the american population. He is very tactfully handling the situation in Ukraine. Which US-President has managed so many obsticales of this grand scale?
His win against Trump was narrow, and despite some clear fuckery going on at the time especially with the mail system being the way it was it really could have gone either way if things got more fucked up than they really were.

Finally he won against Trump not because of how great he was, but how much of a lesser evil he was compared to Trump. The dead corpse of Ronald Reagan would have probably won against Trump if it was in the direct running. When people have had enough of your shit almost anyone else would look like the better option. The DNC just went with Biden for the same reason they did with Hillary in 2016. It was a familiar face and it was an internal push to get them into the primary seat. He was not even in the most likeable candidates early on (about in the same category of likeability as Bloomberg and "YangGang") until they started pushing him more over the other candidates, otherwise we would have probably had Warren or Sanders touching the Primary seat.

Also he did not prevent anything pandemic wise. He pushed orders to control the pandemic and resources dedicated to the ongoing virus. Hell, even the development of the covid vaccines were in large part during the Trump administration (which I find funny as most Anti-Vax conspiracy driven far right ignores this detail and still sees it as all Biden's doing). There was no prevention here, the prevention would have had happened if this Virus would have been taken seriously as soon as reports started coming out of China and us shutting down international transport to prevent potential spread, which clearly did not fast enough and was during the Trump era.

As for the Ukraine situation, that is a problem split down the middle. Many countries are giving them their support as well as the people of the country donating their way to support as well, which is fine. That said there needs to be some attention here on what the effects of this situation has done to our already damaged and inflated economy as now gas prices are reaching new frightening highs with no priority task to limit or bring down said prices. This in large part is because of our dependence on Russia's petrol and we have not really done anything better to redirect those needs from other sources. As a result we are in a bit of a shitshow right now that seems to climb ever higher for a situation that might have no reasonable end in sight. There's nothing wrong with helping a country fight off an invasion, but we need help here too.


Finally, as for "Which US-President has managed so many obstetrical of this grand scale?" There are many examples, but if you do not want to count the founding fathers of our nation, or Lincoln, you also have Franklin F. Roosevelt, who was President during Word War 2, helped pull us out of the first great depression and more while his legs barely worked given that he had suffered from Polio which permanently disabled his ability to walk. He is an example of what a president is supposed to do, not a shining example of an exceptional one.

A president is supposed to lead the country and help it and its people prosper through any event no matter how grand or small. That is their job simple as that. You have shit ones, good ones, great ones, and ones that have done the bare minimum.


I think it's likely Biden will run in 2024. I also think it's likely that Trump will get the nomination in 2024 if he runs (if he doesn't run, whichever candidate gets his support will probably get the nomination). I don't feel confident enough to make any other predictions yet. Let's see how the midterm elections go.

What concerns me most is pro-Trump Republicans setting the stage to overturn election results they don't like in 2024.
Its probable. If Biden was smart he would either endorse someone younger to step up to the plate (though I do not know of Harris is capable of this and hell if I know the country is even ready to accept a "Madam President" yet, probably too risky of a bet for a primary seat) Because at his age even people on his side of the court are doubtful of his mental cognitive ability anymore. I still feel he won solely out of him being "the lesser evil" choice, but if his time in office does not highlight everything he has done vs the things he bungled on, its going to be a tough bet to try again and see what happens. A younger candidate would just be the better option wholesale.


As for Trump, its a bit chaotic right now. The Republican Party is a 3 headed dog that can't stop trying to bite one another while also fighting everyone else off. You have the traditional conservatives, you have the GOP republicans and you have your Trump supporters, not all 3 of these entities agree with each other or really want to be associated with each other. The Trads want the party to be respected as it once was even with its core beliefs and disbeliefs, the GOP wants to basically gain control of everything and throw the core concept of American freedom out the door while installing their own control for the country. Going out of the way to screw over everyone they can to get their way and set up elaborate systems just so they could shut down any opposing bill or plan with extreme tactical precision, and the Trump supporters are just chaotic disenfranchised folk that want to have their existence be recognized and Trump just happened to be the person to find and feed into these people utilizing and weaponizing them into a group that can actually be useful in voting and protesting., regardless of how mentally unstable they can be. The GOP by extent saw this and basically endorsed Trump for office because of the very same reason.

The Republican party is honestly split internally, but would rather try to get along with eachother if only to have their hand in control again over simply splitering off the groups formed within so they could try to regain their credibility again. Its sad because if the Trads had more backbone and started to toss out the GOP/Trump folk from the party not only would it make them seem more respectable as a party again, but it would mean those who would be tossed out would try to platform as their own party. But we all know that no such third party ever succeeds in votes compared to the big two and as a result would be relegated as a joke.
 

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Don't get ahead of yourself, please. Even I do not think this and I do not even consider myself a republican.
What do you consider yourself as?
His win against Trump was narrow, and despite some clear fuckery going on at the time especially with the mail system being the way it was it really could have gone either way if things got more fucked up than they really were.
Can you provide proof?
Finally he won against Trump not because of how great he was, but how much of a lesser evil he was compared to Trump.
Okay, that is you interpretation right?
The dead corpse of Ronald Reagan would have probably won against Trump if it was in the direct running.
I don't think so, for the same reason wie neo-Reaga DeSantis will not win. Its over. The USA is in clear decline, a Reagan canidate will not work.
When people have had enough of your shit almost anyone else would look like the better option. The DNC just went with Biden for the same reason they did with Hillary in 2016. It was a familiar face and it was an internal push to get them into the primary seat. He was not even in the most likeable candidates early on (about in the same category of likeability as Bloomberg and "YangGang") until they started pushing him more over the other candidates, otherwise we would have probably had Warren or Sanders touching the Primary seat.
Well, he won fair and square.
Also he did not prevent anything pandemic wise. He pushed orders to control the pandemic and resources dedicated to the ongoing virus. Hell, even the development of the covid vaccines were in large part during the Trump administration (which I find funny as most Anti-Vax conspiracy driven far right ignores this detail and still sees it as all Biden's doing). There was no prevention here, the prevention would have had happened if this Virus would have been taken seriously as soon as reports started coming out of China and us shutting down international transport to prevent potential spread, which clearly did not fast enough and was during the Trump era.
What is your point here? That Biden did not handle the pandamic well?
As for the Ukraine situation, that is a problem split down the middle. Many countries are giving them their support as well as the people of the country donating their way to support as well, which is fine. That said there needs to be some attention here on what the effects of this situation has done to our already damaged and inflated economy as now gas prices are reaching new frightening highs with no priority task to limit or bring down said prices. This in large part is because of our dependence on Russia's petrol and we have not really done anything better to redirect those needs from other sources. As a result we are in a bit of a shitshow right now that seems to climb ever higher for a situation that might have no reasonable end in sight. There's nothing wrong with helping a country fight off an invasion, but we need help here too.
Well, thats life. Biden did handle the situation well.
Finally, as for "Which US-President has managed so many obstetrical of this grand scale?" There are many examples, but if you do not want to count the founding fathers of our nation, or Lincoln, you also have Franklin F. Roosevelt, who was President during Word War 2, helped pull us out of the first great depression and more while his legs barely worked given that he had suffered from Polio which permanently disabled his ability to walk. He is an example of what a president is supposed to do, not a shining example of an exceptional one.
Well most of the war effort came from britain and Russia. The US came in late and that is not as impressive as you seem to think.
A president is supposed to lead the country and help it and its people prosper through any event no matter how grand or small. That is their job simple as that. You have shit ones, good ones, great ones, and ones that have done the bare minimum.
No, look at Gaius Julius Caesar as a referance. Under Biden the USA is undergoing paradigm changes of a scale the US has never seen before. You may not like them but they are truely bold moves.
 
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