Hacking Team Xecuter stalling?

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As somebody who uses their Switch as their daily driver so will always need to be on or close to the latest firmware, whoever releases the 'unpatchable' boot time exploit first will be the winner. It would be great if it came from the scene rather Xecuter but that may not be the case due to how the scene now approaches '0-day' exploits.
 
360 sales "Worldwide 84 million"

By the end of 2016.

Xbox 360 took over two years to reach 10 million units (in May 2008, after its launch on November 2005)

Switch reached the 10 million mark in 9 months (by December 2017, after its launch in March)
Note that this exceeded the sales for the Wii in the same time period.
 
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360 sales "Worldwide 84 million"!

Yes, for the whole life span. It's first year was 5.9 million worldwide. Switch sold almost 5 million for the first 10 months alone just in the US, and already passed 10 million within the first year. Last time someone come close to this is Wii, which sold 14 million units in the first year and 101 million for it's life span.

Those kind of products were mostly driven by initial sales, as it's more likely to find exploits that aren't patchable and later on when most people already stack up their games, chip like this won't be as appealing to the market.
 
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360 sales "Worldwide 84 million"!

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only to find out it wasn't as stealth to begin with after a few months? sorry, softmod it is for me.

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a boot level exploit cannot be patched. see a9h.
I don't understand that though... If hackers can write to the bootloader, why can't Nintendo? It's THEIR hardware!
 
Here is some rocket science for you. Three levels of permissions. Read. Write. Execute. If haxxors find a way to execute, corp still isnt able to rewrite.

More rocket science. Lets say you owned a music CD at one point in your life. You always liked track 4. You used the heck out of it. Your brother the prankster wanted to delete it. He cant.

Rocket science.

Lets say you are god. You are almighty. Lets say you make a rock, thats too heavy for you to lift. You can - you are god. But you now cant lift it, even though you are god.

(Why would you make such a rock? Lets say, you wouldnt want others to lift it.)

Rocket science.
 
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As somebody who uses their Switch as their daily driver so will always need to be on or close to the latest firmware, whoever releases the 'unpatchable' boot time exploit first will be the winner. It would be great if it came from the scene rather Xecuter but that may not be the case due to how the scene now approaches '0-day' exploits.
Now might be a good time to consider not updating, cfw will probably allow you to play new games on w/e firmware your on. I will say tho everyone should expect a online ban.
 
To extend a lofty analogy a little further.

The rock in the god example above - If you (= god ;) ) make it perfect, or at least, very, very good - it is a good way to tackle the underlying problem. The rock doesnt even have to be big, that helps. But if you mess up - you are stuck with it. :) Even you cant lift it.

(Once its in wide distribution. Hardware revisions (you making a new rock) can fix it though.)

edit: Also: A lesson on general purpose computing. Everyone can write everything on those platforms in theory. Thats why hackers are "almost as capable as god" in our example. Hackers can be self taught, that makes it a complex problem. ;) (Basically no institutional control - which opens up another cans of worms. ;) )

What this means though is that - if you write in a "certification" mechanism, hackers can write it out, circumvent it, turn it on its head, make it post valentine greetings instead, if they find a way into the system. So whats happening now is twofold, systems are designed in many, many layers to separate the entry point from the jackpot. And the "secret" that allows you to say "you made it", is tried to be hidden in unchangeable "hardware", which is funny as well - because hackers then can just highjack the "verification attempt", if they find out how and when it takes place, and they find any exploitable flaw. Also verification takes place by exchanging key pairs, and once you know the keys you are god. Most keys can be changed. Some can not. For corps sake, btw - otherwise hackers would replace it with 00000000 or a funny phrase (DEADBEEF) instantly, or add 10 of their own, or make the mechanism play checkers with itself.

And thats general computing in a nutshell for you. :)

All that security and trust on todays "smart" devices basically are, are plausibility and probability contracts that get layered on top of an ultimately very malleable core. That core, and its flexibility - btw is what drove the entirety of the personal computing revolution, the smartphone age, the communication revolution, current day globalization, ...

Also the people making the most money out of it, are those that take a cut of others enginuity - by behaving as platforms, which is why "first to market" becomes that important, and why Amazon for example is big in the UBER business ( https://www.forbes.com/sites/greats...ocusing-on-a-logistics-business/#74b906d49893 ) - even if you might have not heard of it.. ;) Someone invented the "shipping container" is the analogy to "someone invented the app (and enforcement through a closed system and rule setting through "the app store").

Hackers are able to rewrite those rules. Thats why you see them depicted in the usual stereotypes (young, hoodied, no good, no moral beatniks, outcasts... - you pick one.. ;) ).

Another thing. Apple was caught recently giving the real UBER special "californian friendship" privileges to be able to take screenshots of anyones phones, at any time. Without the users knowledge. Without it being anywhere in any permissions you grant "the app". Hackers can do the same (fundamentaly speaking), and share it with their friends. The difference between one being a corporation and the other being an individual (or a small group) is what all the bad rep they get is about. ;)
 
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So tired of seeing new threads being made, about previously mentioned topics.

I'm on fw 4.1.0 and I'm not complaining (Yes, I know there are impatient people)

Just be patient and wait for a new announcement, they're probably hard at work and don't want to make new announcements about new stuff they're adding.
 
Now might be a good time to consider not updating, cfw will probably allow you to play new games on w/e firmware your on. I will say tho everyone should expect a online ban.

I rarely play games online anymore anyway and plus if you wanna chat with someone in mario kart, you need a phone and that Nintendo app, which is ridiculous.

But I may buy games on eshop still.
 
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For some reasons I'm not as enthusiastic about switch hacking than 3ds. I'm pretty sure Nintendo will bring a lot of amazing features in future updates and obviously some games wont be playable under a certain firmware and there's the risk of getting banned and staying offline because of that ... seems like too much trouble, unless you have 2 switch ;)
 
For some reasons I'm not as enthusiastic about switch hacking than 3ds. I'm pretty sure Nintendo will bring a lot of amazing features in future updates and obviously some games wont be playable under a certain firmware and there's the risk of getting banned and staying offline because of that ... seems like too much trouble, unless you have 2 switch ;)

Aren't all those things a non-issue with CFW?
 
future updates and obviously some games wont be playable under a certain firmware and there's the risk of getting banned and staying offline because of that ... seems like too much trouble, unless you have 2 switch ;)
They will bring 'stability'. Or 'features' you will have to pay to full use. Games arepatchable.
 

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