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So we are in the middle of a nice market crash. What are the investors around here doing?

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As the title says we appear to be in the middle of a market crash (for those thinking Black Tuesday, Black Wednesday and such then those are more historical exceptions -- most crashes happen over a given period rather than all at once), with more to come when the current housing bubble pops, and are probably in a recession as well. Certainly nobody sensible is predicting sunshine and rainbows in the near term, and sometimes dark skies for longer than that.
https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=sec&st=ytd has a nice tree map chart which seems to be a style increasing in popularity over traditional candlesticks and line graphs, and does work for things at a glance.

Is "Sell in May and Go Away" more "Sell in April" this year for you?

Have you gone for alternative investments than simple indexes and nominally diverse exchange traded funds? Are you going for shorts or even puts on things? Bonds might not beat inflation (never mind the real inflation http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-07-...n-now-is-really-13-5-and-will-get-higher.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/rising-rent-prices/ . Your boring and basic consumer price index is a government provided thing, the government having inflation targets so one does tend to question the one policing themselves with CPI having many questions over it) but the returns on them are higher than money in a bank or markets, with future returns set to be more notable still (prices right now are somewhat low for some of them, which is odd to some which sees them sell out in the "bottom" of the market about when all the other places might well buy back in -- by law various financial institutions must hold certain amounts of government bonds or sometimes housing).
With cheap finance coming to an end (less in the way of money to grow companies, this being the growth stocks analysts talk about, comparing them to value stocks which are companies that might not grow much and just plug along) are you going for things that weather high inflation (looking at those charts for the US then while Nvidia might have lost you something like 33% year to date, with most tech also not doing much better and crypto largely following it, then much of the energy sector is up the same amount, or walmart seems to have provided that 8% some aim for in a year though again inflation is higher than that so still technically losing money) or even something crazy like art (all your favourite financial channels likely plugging such a thing, and last time around during the 2008 crash then speaking to antiques shops they could not keep anything in stock).
 

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My plan as of now is getting at least 50 stronger nodes, and Cashout A bit of my crypto and use it to pay my bills in advance, and put some into A stable coin; then re enter into the race at A lower price. what do you have planned?
 

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Me? I don't invest in anything other than tools to do jobs with (a bad plan I know*) but hey. Just like watching the markets all over the world and the financial bloodsports that ensue.

*the general phrase being nobody ever got rich off the sweat of their own brow. Mathematically it makes sense (statistically speaking then nobody here is becoming C?O of anything fun so even if you go to university on the cheap, get a haircut and get a real job in STEM, continue living like a student and stuffing the excess into a basic savings account/retirement scheme it is not going to amount to much by the time inflation kicks in, compound interest at the rate of return of even an index fund will get you somewhere interesting and those extra 10 years from 20 to 30 vs "time to get serious" at 30 is way way way more than the basic money you put in**).

**for those that never had the maths run for them then $1000 per year from 30 to 65 at 8% (average rate of return of an index fund on the stock market) is $172,316.80, 20 to 65 is no $10000 more, try it comes to $386,505.62. https://www.calculator.net/investme...end&ciadditionat1=annually&printit=0&x=90&y=9
With some career progression you will probably earn enough more to bump that up a bit from the $1000 per year contribution too.
If 3% inflation is the average during that time (reminder we are presently seeing 8.5% if we believe official numbers, north of 10% if more realistic ones are believed, though maybe that is just a one time thing because money printer go brrrr) then something costing $1000 today would need be the equivalent of $3,781.60 in 45 years. https://www.calculator.net/inflatio...e2=3&cinyear2=45&calctype=2&x=47&y=14#forward (or basically divide by 3 for the 30 year old starting today or divide by 4 for the 20 year old looking to start saving).
 

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Everything is going to zero , you will have no will no store of wealth you vill own nothing, and you vill be happy
you vill live in ze tube and eat ze bugs
it's all part of the great rest, agenda 21 agenda 2030
the only thing that will keep going up is real estate
it is the only store of value at his point
stocks , meals , crypto, the dollar and other currencies are all going down
real estate and maybe commodities oil/gas
unless you are Blackrock, Vanguard, or the Rothschild or Wallenberg family you will be reduced to a surf owing nothing and barely starving on a UBI unless you are willing to kill a lot of people
 

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I keep hearing about how we are on the edge of collapse for the last few years, if we did not lose our system due to covid chances are its going to be awhile before we see a collapse happen. I would personally love to see a housing collapse or a few markets fall, but there is no certainty that this is going to happen anytime soon as most of it is just blind hype and doom talk.

Come back to me when a 90k house selling for 230k comes back down to 90k again. Then I will believe shit is actually falling apart.
 

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As the title says we appear to be in the middle of a market crash (for those thinking Black Tuesday, Black Wednesday and such then those are more historical exceptions -- most crashes happen over a given period rather than all at once), with more to come when the current housing bubble pops, and are probably in a recession as well. Certainly nobody sensible is predicting sunshine and rainbows in the near term, and sometimes dark skies for longer than that.
https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=sec&st=ytd has a nice tree map chart which seems to be a style increasing in popularity over traditional candlesticks and line graphs, and does work for things at a glance.

Is "Sell in May and Go Away" more "Sell in April" this year for you?

Have you gone for alternative investments than simple indexes and nominally diverse exchange traded funds? Are you going for shorts or even puts on things? Bonds might not beat inflation (never mind the real inflation http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-07-...n-now-is-really-13-5-and-will-get-higher.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/rising-rent-prices/ . Your boring and basic consumer price index is a government provided thing, the government having inflation targets so one does tend to question the one policing themselves with CPI having many questions over it) but the returns on them are higher than money in a bank or markets, with future returns set to be more notable still (prices right now are somewhat low for some of them, which is odd to some which sees them sell out in the "bottom" of the market about when all the other places might well buy back in -- by law various financial institutions must hold certain amounts of government bonds or sometimes housing).
With cheap finance coming to an end (less in the way of money to grow companies, this being the growth stocks analysts talk about, comparing them to value stocks which are companies that might not grow much and just plug along) are you going for things that weather high inflation (looking at those charts for the US then while Nvidia might have lost you something like 33% year to date, with most tech also not doing much better and crypto largely following it, then much of the energy sector is up the same amount, or walmart seems to have provided that 8% some aim for in a year though again inflation is higher than that so still technically losing money) or even something crazy like art (all your favourite financial channels likely plugging such a thing, and last time around during the 2008 crash then speaking to antiques shops they could not keep anything in stock).

Why dont you wanna invest in anything atm, its definetly A good time to buy
 

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Why dont you wanna invest in anything atm, its definetly A good time to buy
You reckon this is the bottom of the market or near enough as makes no difference? Even with China being locked down, diesel at an all time high, the housing market still set to decline (we are only at the start), the start of a really unpleasant food market and energy similarly going high?
 
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