From review and checking around a lot here are my conclusions. scone has a better cheat system r4 has faster updates but then again the scone gets them also just a tad slower. price r4 is cheaper. by a bit like 3-8$ depending on where ya look game compatability same download play same scone has old moonshell? scone has more interactiveness, like more to do with touch screen. From what I saw the r4 only has the first 3 menu buttons? i dunno. so in the end it seems to be imo scone is the best but I'd like to get your input also. And please no (insert card here) IS THE BEST 'CAUSE IT JUST OWNS. the only thing I'm worried about is the moon shell thing and updates but what can they really add to these cards? they basicly have everything. execpet for sdhc but hey its an older model and a lot cheaper than cyclods so what can ya expect. Thanks for your input.