PS3 keys finally released

[fgghjjkll]

This could scare away developer support. It could be PSP all over again. (Although some PSP devs stuck around to the bitter end, most jumped ship early.) Sony doesn't need any more bad news.

why are you quoting year old news that has nothing to do with the topic?

Opening the door to total piracy is what destroyed the Dreamcast. People say it was PS2 hype, but for the first couple of years the DC did fairly well. That was until the system was totally cracked. Everyone in the industry knew Sega was completely f***ed. Devs cancelled DC projects left and right. People jumped ship like rats leaving a sinking ship. Sega even tried to negotiate with the team that originally cracked the DC, but to no avail.

Most people in this topic are only interested in what this will mean for them as gamers. I'm more interested in the catastrophic destruction this will cause in a company that's already been struggling for the past several years. (In b4 Sony is more than just the playstation division.)

And yeah, you're right, that article is a year old. And since that time they've lost a lot more money. This new development wont help. Companies and retailers make their money on software, not hardware. (Especially the retailers.) Anything that discourages software development is bad. (They already have higher dev costs on the PS3, plus the hardware is a LOT more difficult to work with.)

PSP is a great system but it was basically destroyed by piracy. You had to pirate to enjoy that system. I hated using UMDs. While PSP piracy was great for me as a gamer, it sucked for the devs who all jumped ship. (Except for a loyal few, God bless them.)

tl:dr =deal with it.

Wii piracy is very common too, but video games released on PS3 and XBOX360 usually find themselves being released on the Wii also. I think the PS3 will be fine. The large filesize of the PS3 games already puts people off from piracy anyways, unless you have some sort of Unlimited optical fibre internet.

 

[Fear Zoa]

This could scare away developer support. It could be PSP all over again. (Although some PSP devs stuck around to the bitter end, most jumped ship early.) Sony doesn't need any more bad news.

why are you quoting year old news that has nothing to do with the topic?

Opening the door to total piracy is what destroyed the Dreamcast. People say it was PS2 hype, but for the first couple of years the DC did fairly well. That was until the system was totally cracked. Everyone in the industry knew Sega was completely f***ed. Devs cancelled DC projects left and right. People jumped ship like rats leaving a sinking ship. Sega even tried to negotiate with the team that originally cracked the DC, but to no avail.

Most people in this topic are only interested in what this will mean for them as gamers. I'm more interested in the catastrophic destruction this will cause in a company that's already been struggling for the past several years. (In b4 Sony is more than just the playstation division.)

And yeah, you're right, that article is a year old. And since that time they've lost a lot more money. This new development wont help. Companies and retailers make their money on software, not hardware. (Especially the retailers.) Anything that discourages software development is bad. (They already have higher dev costs on the PS3, plus the hardware is a LOT more difficult to work with.)

PSP is a great system but it was basically destroyed by piracy. You had to pirate to enjoy that system. I hated using UMDs. While PSP piracy was great for me as a gamer, it sucked for the devs who all jumped ship. (Except for a loyal few, God bless them.)

tl:dr =deal with it.

Wii piracy is very common too, but video games released on PS3 and XBOX360 usually find themselves being released on the Wii also. I think the PS3 will be fine. The large filesize of the PS3 games already puts people off from piracy anyways, unless you have some sort of Unlimited optical fibre internet.

Ehh or you could have friends with games, blockbuster....or even a gamefly subscription...hell you could even buy a game from gamestop...burn it...then return it...

 

[Technik]

Wait, so this is different from commonkey.bin?

 

[Nathan Drake]

Wait, so this is different from commonkey.bin?

Yes. For the second time, it is different.

 

[Jiggah]

I believe the fail0verflow guys that did the hack stated that the stored key cannot be changed. It is one part (metldr) of a two part system that cannot be updated.

 

[Joe88]

people have always said stuff like that

it will never be patched, fixed, blocked
and eventually it all does

we will see though

 

[Nathan Drake]

This is something that literally can't be changed though without releasing a new PS3. This is something, even if it could be changed, would cause every game to stop working, as the PS3 would no longer recognize the code correctly on ANY PS3 game to date.

This is the unfixable hack.

 

[DigitalDeviant]

just read that psp keys have been snatched as well, not a good year for sony...

 

[Hakoda]

So if I understand this correctly, these keys are like a genie's bottle with unlimited wishes; these are the keys that can do any and everything. So unlike the common key for the Wii, you'd be able to encrypt apps, like PS3 games are, and the firmware would detect it as digitally signed programs by Sony thus avoiding the need for an "HBC" so to speak.

 

[Crass]

i wish we had the xbox keys, that would be awesome. i just want some emulators on my xbox, the dlc games suck.

Lol I keep seeing people say this, and I expect more people will continue to say this. But you can already extract the keys out of Xbox 360s and run unsigned code on them. It requires an older xbox before the August 2009 update, and some l33t technical skills. JTAG'd Xbox's are awesome.

 

[Rydian]

Yup. Getting the private key is like, the dream of the hacker community.

 

[Hakoda]

Yup. Getting the private key is like, the dream of the hacker community.

So hypothetically, could you digitally sign an ISO and run it through the firmware without the need of a backup launcher? That's different than the way we have it for the Wii so I assume we don't have this equivalent for it. Or how does this work? I'm not fluent on this subject.

 

[Rydian]

We have the common key for the wii, but that's not the key used to sign content, the private key is (and that's what was found for the PS3).

I know we can sign eboots with it, but I don't know about ISOs directly (as that involves a virtual filesystem driver), but at the most we'll just need an ISO-loading program... unless this is only user mode, not kernel mode. Not sure how the PSP determines what does and does not have kernel access.

 

[Hakoda]

We have the common key for the wii, but that's not the key used to sign content, the private key is (and that's what was found for the PS3).

I know we can sign eboots with it, but I don't know about ISOs directly (as that involves a virtual filesystem driver), but at the most we'll just need an ISO-loading program... unless this is only user mode, not kernel mode. Not sure how the PSP determines what does and does not have kernel access.

Oh I see. I needed the clarification between common key and private key. Thanks.

 

[chyyran]

So, that means, Sony epic failed harder than Nintendo?

*Ninty Headquarters*
"w00t, Sony failed more than we did with the Wii! Time to rub it in their faces

"

I might get a PS3 or a PSP now.

I saw Console Hacking 2010 on youtube, fail0verflow made Sony look so dumb.
This just makes Sony look even more idiotic.

 

[Joe88]

*Ninty Headquarters*
"w00t, Sony failed more than we did with the Wii! Time to rub it in their faces

"

the wii and ds have been hacked for ages now what do they have to celebrate about?
the ps3 held out the longest of the rest

 

[Canonbeat234]

Well if Sony goes bankrupt, I'm blaming it on the PS3. If they just allow the other OS option to available once more than this wouldn't have happened! However, the hacking community is going to be corrupted because of this.

 

[chyyran]

*Ninty Headquarters*
"w00t, Sony failed more than we did with the Wii! Time to rub it in their faces

"

the wii and ds have been hacked for ages now what do they have to celebrate about?
the ps3 held out the longest of of the rest

Even if, Sony failed hard this time, at least the DSi held out, until now. The DS is quite a fail on Nintendo's part, but who places both the PSP keys and the PS3 keys on one system.
It's like investing all your money in company. You still can't play disk backups on Wiis with the new drive and without a modification. You don't need to modify anything on the PS3 or PSP to play backups because of this. Nintendo can find out if you have a cIOS installed, but Sony can't find out that you're playing backups as you didn't modify anything, and the PS3 or PSP thinks that the backup is a legit disk, as it could be signed with these keys. As in the previous posts, this is way better than the common keys that we've managed to extract from the Wii.

Watch Console Hacking 2010 here

 

[DiscostewSM]

*Ninty Headquarters*
"w00t, Sony failed more than we did with the Wii! Time to rub it in their faces

"

the wii and ds have been hacked for ages now what do they have to celebrate about?
the ps3 held out the longest of the rest

We're expecting to hear about Nintendo's newest console within a year I'd imagine, and the 3DS is coming out soon. Sony was planning on the PS3 being around at least a good 5 years more.

 

[Hakoda]

*Ninty Headquarters*
"w00t, Sony failed more than we did with the Wii! Time to rub it in their faces

"

the ps3 held out the longest of the rest

Well the whole reason that happened is because the PS3 was able to install Linux the entire time until Sony disabled the function. Then the hacking community started care & was like "alright b*tch, be that way" and milked out the private keys. Homebrew is now back but at the expense of piracy. If Sony had left the Other OS option intact, this would have never happened. Whoever thought of that just got fired at Sony HQ.

However, the major fail occurred when both the PS3 AND PSP keys were found the on PS3.