Opinions of the US govenment

[Maktub]

Its run by....Christian Companies?

Im okay with it.

lolwut?

lolwut???

Run by Christian Companies?

 

[Sterling]

I think you've been listening to waaaay too much American government propoganda! Sure it's a type of communism at it's essiential definition but that in no way makes it a bad thing, in fact it makes it more "free" than in the US who you've defined as the "free" country in this scenario. Changing over to socialised health care will not threaten the jobs like you think it will. Our hospitals don't just contain doctors and nurses! There's porters, kitchen staff, cleaners, administration staff, gift shop workers and everything else you'd expect to see in an american hospital.

The only thing that's really threatened by a socialised health care system are the workers tax rates. In America it's slightly different I suppose because the doctors demand such high amounts. In a socialised health system they would be forced to take a pay cut unless the American tax payer was willing to shell out the extra funds in tax dollars for them to keep it. Again it boils down to what you value more, 50 cents a week or a good standard of health care for all US citizens regardless of financial status. The best way to look at it is this, how much do you, your parents and your grandparents pay each for medical insurance? The amount you pay in taxes to run a decent socialised health care system would probably be a substantially smaller amount and you wouldn't have to worry about the pitfalls of all the rubbish that your current health care system throws at you to deny your treatment. I mean lets face it, there are people who pay their whole lives for medical insurance and when they really need it they're denied it because of whatever clause ie. genetic predisposition.

Socialised health care is a good thing, and to be honest in my opinion decent medical care is a root necessity for any country claiming to be "free". It all boils down to how greedy, selfish or uncaring the average citizen of the country is. Do they care more about 50 cents a week, or do they care more for the citizens of their country. In my opinion anyone calling themselves a patriot has a duty to care for the other citizens of their country, a socialised health care system paid for by a minimal amount of taxes is a bloody good start.

edit : Also I should warn you, I'm a big fan of the true ideal of communism/socialism so comparing it to communism won't make me instantly hate it like alot of American citizens are trained to do. The problem here is you've mistaken communism for the American governments definition of communism. The American government likes to define dictatorships as communism. There has never been a truly communist government, the closest ever has been Cuba which was still a dictatorship rooted in the idels of communism.

edit2 : And to further the point of people having problems paying for college/university. How about instituting free higher education? Again a small amount of tax dollars from each worker could be used to pay for free higher education.

edit3:

As the free country gets comfy with one Universal Plan, the govenment will try to take over another part of your life. Decades later the country is not free it is oppressed.

I could go on about this statement for hours. Isn't your country already doing something similar under the guise of The Patriot Act? I recommend you watch a lecture titled "The End of America".



Perhaps I have been listening to too much of that stuff, but it really does make me think on my own terms. All the mainstream media here is pretty much liberal, and fox news network I believe is the only televised network that has almost equal amounts of conservative, and liberal news, and really liberals only tell you half the story, and sometimes half truths. From what I understand the Congressmenmen, and Senators have not even read the bill, because it its over 1000 pages long

thats outrageous.

I am not trained to hate communism, I am only wary of it. True Communisim is good on paper, but in practice its alot harder to pull off due to human nature.

Part of a discription of the patriot act:

The Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties. It has been criticized for weakening protections of civil liberties, as well as being overbroad in regard to its circumstances of application. In particular, opponents of the law have criticized its authorization of indefinite detentions of immigrants; searches through which law enforcement officers search a home or business without the owner’s or the occupant’s permission or knowledge;

The fourth Amemndment:
QUOTE

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The patriot Act tries to protect the American people, but searching like that is a direct violation of the fouth amendment, and is unconstitutional. Yet again, I think they Didn't read the bill.

I dislike both parties at the moment, The republicans have no balls, and the Democrats are leaning quite a bit towards communism. During the 20th century the beliefs of the dem and rep parties flipflopped to what they are today, very extreme leftism leans to communism, while very extreme repulicanism leans to fascim. I don't agree with either.

To answer your question about free Higher education, we have public school, and state colleges. If you can't pay to go to a expensive college, the government may be able to give you financial aid at a state college. There are also many many Scholorships that people don't even apply for, and they are basically money handouts for college. If you don't seek to find a way to pay to go to college, then you do not deserve to go to college.

I may just take a look at that lecture Trolly

 

[silent sniper]

TL;DR version:
This country sucks because the people who run it are greedy fuckin' assholes, is what.

Nuff said... almost. The USA will be fucked up forever unless politicians decide to live on the same level as the people they govern; not this holier-than-thou-art bullshit.

 

[Sterling]

I think it's safe to say Trollydave said everything that needed to be said.

I remember reading a while ago that the former USSR had more doctors per every 100 then the US.

Being frank socialised healthcare is brilliant, it never leaves anyone behind and you essentially only pay for it via taxation and the NHS is a lot better then what people say. The fact there's fourty-six million people in the US without any heath plan is bloody demorialising and it more alike to a poverty stricken nation rather then the "greatest country in the world." IMO it's embarrassing that the US the are I beleive the only country int eh developed world without universal healthcare as it simply shows teh selfish nature some people have in the US.

To describe it as communism is stupedly irrelevant in today's society has it's now IMO (well in Britain) a cross party agreement Socialists, Social Democrats, Liberals and even Conservatives (well Cameron at least) agree that there should be universal healthcare. Yeah; essentially it is a socialist idea. The health system in the UK was set up be a socialist. Nye Bevan and nobody goes sees him as a figure of evil. In fact people still admire the bloke despite he died nearly fifty years; personally teh man's my hero becasue he fought so hard for something that has helped so many people.

Socialised healthcare has more pros then cons. it means everyone are entitled to a standard of healthcare rather tehn the current system of making money out of the sick because that's what it is essentially. The wholething about being "free," is utter bollocks because I can't see anything in it. "Woo hoo, I'm going to die without any medical care becasue we're economically free." And I really hope the Republicans are proud that thier doing what they can to deny people healthcare. What makes me laugh is that the republicans claim to be the party of God and Jesus; what would Jesus do? He'd support universal healthcare; did he go and refuse to heal people because they didn't have health insurance? No he fucking didn't. ( I can't beleive I've just used religion here)

Summary: You've got to be a totally selfish cunt to be against socialised healthcare.


Views on the US government?

Current lot- seem all right, they have a hint of rationality and but fast enough for my liking they should have got teh ball rolling earlier when teh republicans were down.

General opinion of US governments- TBF they generally seem to be total cunts. teh US have a lot of making up to do becasue in all honesty the Us have upset a lot of people.

Really, if you'll notice that that US government is not run by the principles of christianity. Sure the country was built on the principles of christianity, but after Abe Lincoln the country in my opinion started to go downhill morally.

Now, Now, no name calling

Seriously the gains would be immensive if done right, but it really is a step in the wrong direction, it may or may not show during my lifetime but it will show later

Besides I bet our Govenment would fuck it all up...

True the US needs to apologize for many things.

 

[Sterling]

hmm I am not sure why you created a whole new thread to reply to mine, but I am not going to re-type all my opinions in this thread. Please keep the debate in the thread created specially for it, and not clutter the front page with replies to it

And now read the later ones I posted, and also I am beginning to see why George Washington believed that political parties would be the end of the country

 

[ACK06]

also I am beginning to see why George Washington believed that political parties would be the end of the country

No, it's greed. But we'd need a whole 'nother thread to talk about how the paper pulp industry killed marijuana.

 

[DSGamer64]

I dunno, being a Canadian, I support Obama's motions to make healthcare a socialized system and people seem to be going completely apeshit over it. I feel sorry for politicians for having to deal with some of the retards blasting Obama for what he is doing with the things they say.

Let me ask you something: Do you recieve proper healthcare by walk in, or schedule? Are you at risk for any potential diseases/ genetic disorders, and what will you do for an unplanned permanent injury (eg: nerve damage from a car crash, or cartlige connecting a rib to the spine dies and the rib won't stay in). In those situations would you get the proper care when you need it fast?

I get 24 hours of medical service through my doctors office and having gone through the ER in hospitals before a few times, they don't keep you sitting there waiting if you have been seriously hurt you know.

 

[emigre]

Perhaps I have been listening to too much of that stuff, but it really does make me think on my own terms. All the mainstream media here is pretty much liberal, and fox news network I believe is the only televised network that has almost equal amounts of conservative, and liberal news, and really liberals only tell you half the story, and sometimes half truths. From what I understand the Congressmenmen, and Senators have not even read the bill, because it its over 1000 pages long

thats outrageous.

I am not trained to hate communism, I am only wary of it. True Communisim is good on paper, but in practice its alot harder to pull off due to human nature.

Part of a discription of the patriot act:

The Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties. It has been criticized for weakening protections of civil liberties, as well as being overbroad in regard to its circumstances of application. In particular, opponents of the law have criticized its authorization of indefinite detentions of immigrants; searches through which law enforcement officers search a home or business without the owner’s or the occupant’s permission or knowledge;

The fourth Amemndment:
QUOTEThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The patriot Act tries to protect the American people, but searching like that is a direct violation of the fouth amendment, and is unconstitutional. Yet again, I think they Didn't read the bill.

I dislike both parties at the moment, The republicans have no balls, and the Democrats are leaning quite a bit towards communism. During the 20th century the beliefs of the dem and rep parties flipflopped to what they are today, very extreme leftism leans to communism, while very extreme repulicanism leans to fascim. I don't agree with either.

To answer your question about free Higher education, we have public school, and state colleges. If you can't pay to go to a expensive college, the government may be able to give you financial aid at a state college. There are also many many Scholorships that people don't even apply for, and they are basically money handouts for college. If you don't seek to find a way to pay to go to college, then you do not deserve to go to college.

I may just take a look at that lecture Trolly

Christ on a fucking bike...

1. If you think Fox news are unbiased then you seriously have a problem . FOx are owned by teh cunt Rupert Murdoch. A man who is known for using his media to support RIght Wing political parties i.e. the Conservatives int eh UK, teh Republicans in the US. Every news source is bias, I' not doubting that hence you read from a number of different papers and make your own mind up.

2. Cuba's rather nice y'know. Whilst I don't support communism elements of it are pretty brilliant such as giving equal opportunities to kids whether their from a wealthy or deprived background. In East Germany, kids got taught a musical instrument regardless of ability to pay. In a free market economy it probably wouldn't happen. In the former USSR going to see the arts (opera) were relatively inexpensive meaning that everyone could enjoy it. I think that's pretty brilliant.. Cuba have got an excellent medical system; which I believe is rated higher then the US according to the WHO. Chavez in Venezuela (not communism but more undemocratic socialism I'd say) is a hero for making sure people get healthcare and education. He hasn't just given aid; he's determined to get people to have an education to help themselves and their society. Chavez has done so much in excelling people's lives that they agreed for him to be a literal elected dictator.

3. The Democrats aren't leaning to communism. Do you see them nationalising anything? No you fucking haven't! They border on SOCIAL DEMOCRACY. Read up on it. I know Barack is talking about change but the man is talking about one state socialism.

4. Everyone should have teh right to go onto higher education should they wish and have the ability to do so. What you said was essentially if they don't have a way to afford it then they don't deserve higher education. In the US my family wouldn't be able to afford health insurance and I wouldn't be able to afford to go to higher education. Just fucking lovely. Fees for higher education do nothing but place an extra financial burden from those from less economically prosperous backgrounds. I start university next month and I'm looking at paying about £3500 for each year the debt is going to be horrible. Yahoooooo!

What I find funny is that education is really the only way you can improve your life, if you can't afford it you're stuck in the same old shitty background. It fucking ridiculous. If you're wondering if I do deserves to go onto higher education? yeah I fucking am. I got an AAB in my A-levels to do Politics and International Relations and my older sister is a teacher. Oh LOL.

 

[emigre]

Really, if you'll notice that that US government is not run by the principles of christianity. Sure the country was built on the principles of christianity, but after Abe Lincoln the country in my opinion started to go downhill morally.

Now, Now, no name calling

Seriously the gains would be immensive if done right, but it really is a step in the wrong direction, it may or may not show during my lifetime but it will show later

Besides I bet our Govenment would fuck it all up...

True the US needs to apologize for many things.

I have noticed that the Us government aren't run on the principals of Christianity. Look at the amount of shit they're in, questionable wars and economic ruin. Ironically the shit happened when a practising Christian was President. Oh the irony.

Fine I apologize for saying the US government are generally cunts. They're bloody incompetent morons. Bin Laden was trained by the US, Hussain was a darling of the US, the constant bias and unjust support of Israel even if they do something wrong such as when they attacked Palestine and destroyed UN schools knowing women and children were going to be taking shelter there; the Us refused to condemn them for that, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan are some of the biggest foreign policy disasters in living memory especially with George W Bush saying "you're either with us or against us." Great job in absolutes. I ashamed that the UK have a "special," relationship with the US with the joint foreign policy we had especially as most people in the country were against Iraq.

I'll put it bluntly a lot people don't like US governments ( or possibly they dislike the US Right Wingers). They have a despicable bully boy nature and claim to be an innocent victim; FFS they made money out of the Second World War. 9/11 was inexcusable but it's difficult to say something like that an attack like that was going to happen due to the US upsetting so many people.

The US has a shit load to apologize for, I hope Obama can have half decent foreign relations which seem likely. First of all the man isn't a borderline retard like some republicans and his Muslim heritage can hopefully ease tensions with the Muslim world.

 

[TrolleyDave]

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I am not trained to hate communism, I am only wary of it. True Communisim is good on paper, but in practice its alot harder to pull off due to human nature.

Part of a discription of the patriot act:
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The fourth Amemndment:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The patriot Act tries to protect the American people, but searching like that is a direct violation of the fouth amendment, and is unconstitutional. Yet again, I think they Didn't read the bill.

I dislike both parties at the moment, The republicans have no balls, and the Democrats are leaning quite a bit towards communism. During the 20th century the beliefs of the dem and rep parties flipflopped to what they are today, very extreme leftism leans to communism, while very extreme repulicanism leans to fascim. I don't agree with either.

To answer your question about free Higher education, we have public school, and state colleges. If you can't pay to go to a expensive college, the government may be able to give you financial aid at a state college. There are also many many Scholorships that people don't even apply for, and they are basically money handouts for college. If you don't seek to find a way to pay to go to college, then you do not deserve to go to college.

I may just take a look at that lecture Trolly <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
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Listening to propoganda does not help you to make up your own mind! That's like saying the average person in North Korea has a more informed view of the Western world. Propoganda is created to stop you making up your own mind. This statement that you made <b>"Seriously the gains would be immensive if done right, but it really is a step in the wrong direction"</b> only goes to show that your opinion isn't based on logic or freethinking. You say the gains would be immense but it's a step in the wrong direction. If an action helps society gain as a whole (rather than those who can afford it) it can not be a step in the wrong direction. It shows that you have made up your mind that it's a good thing but are regurgitating your corporate run governments propoganda and saying that it's harmful.

If you truly were a free thinker you would research other countries socialised health care systems, then compare it to your own and then make up your mind about whether or not it's good for your particular society. You have already admitted that it would be a good thing, it's the propoganda forced upon you by rich corporate bosses who make millions a year of refusing treatment to people who need it that's stopping you from actually saying "Yes we need it". Any time someone stands to profit from someone elses death you can not call it health care, it's income care.

As for the trained to hate communism thing, I should have put that a bit better. Since the 50's Americans have been trained to fear communism, and trained to hate any idea that might be based on "communist ideals". Socialised health care is not just a communist ideal, it's the ideal of anyone who cares for not only his fellow country member but also his fellow human being. In actual fact it's your patriotic duty to ensure that your fellow citizen is well looked after, after all are you not all Americans? It's also your patriotic duty to question when you think your government is making a decision that's not based on what's best for it's countrymen. Freedom doesn't mean that you're entitled to chase the almighty dollar to improve your life, freedom means that you have the ability to make choices. In America if you choose not to chase after the dollar and instead chase after compassionate goals or intellectual goals you are not entitled to the same benefits as those that help to line rich peoples pockets. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that people should be entitled to say Xbox360s and choose not to work, but if they choose to follow intellectual pursuits and decide to work just enough to keep themselves in shelter and food then they should still be entitled to the same basic health care that the bloke who's spent his whole life hoarding money has.

Let's face it as well, America was founded on some very communist style views. Does your constitution not say that "Everyone is created equal"? In otherwords everyone is entitled to the same benefits. It doesn't say "Everyone with money is created equal, everyone else can go to hell". Your view that only those that can afford should have is a very twisted, very selfish and very egotistical one. I'm assuming that you are either middle class or lower upper class in the income bracket. Try living like the poorest in your country. Try removing any benfit you have ever had in your life because your parents gave it to you, or the area you lived in afforded it you, do that and then come back and tell me that socialised health care or socialised higher education is a bad thing.

As for the option of community college, again that's not really an option. Are people qualified in community college and state universities looked at in the same light as those who've gone to an expesive college/university? If you were from a state university are you afforded the same opportunities as those from an Ivy League network?

Sorry if all this seems a bit all over the place but I'm pretty passionate about these kinds of thing and I'm trying to keep it as condensed as possible!

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The patriot Act tries to protect the American people,<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Don't make me larf! The Patriot Act was never designed to protect the American people. The Patriot Act was designed to allow the American government to have a bigger stranglehold on the American populace. If it was there simply to protect the American population from terrorism then why was it not introduced in the 70's when the PLO had a fetish for hijacking American planes? America has been suffering terrorism for going on 30 years now, admittedly nothing as big as the WTC but it's always been there.

The WTC was just an excuse to introduce more fascist like laws into American society. The American government was well aware of the impending attack (your own government has admitted this) yet did nothing to stop it. Instead they used the opportunity to drum up fear, fear great enough to make the American populace say "We don't care about the erosion of our rights, do everything you can to protect us".

Same goes for the invasion of Iraq. The American government generated such a huge amount of paranoia that Iraq had WMDs that the American populace said "Please invade them, protect us". Yet how many WMDs were actually found? None. Now look at how many of the elite/rich families/groups in America have profited from the invasion. Now tell me that the invasion was based on the protection of the American people and not the profits of the richest.

"but searching like that is a direct violation of the fouth amendment, and is unconstitutional. Yet again, I think they Didn't read the bill."

The bill was rushed through and there was alot of psychological tactics used to ensure it went through. Just look at it's name, "The Patriot Act". It implies that you're not a patriot unless you agree to it. It wasn't that people didn't read it, it was the fervour generated by the terrorist attacks that made people want it. Again, if you make people scared enough of something they'll allow their protectors to do whatever they think is necessary to stop it.

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Again I urge you to watch the lecture "The End of America".

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@FAST : I didn't realise they still made housecalls, they haven't done in this area for quite a while. You can phone 24 hrs a day but they basically just tell you over the phone to go to the A&E. Good to know it's still going on.

 

[Maktub]

Very interestingly written stuff.

Sir, you win many internets for your posts in GBATemp. You're one of the users who, to me, collaborate most interestingly and solidly in subjects not related to gaming.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Very interestingly written stuff.

Sir, you win many internets for your posts in GBATemp. You're one of the users who, to me, collaborate most interestingly and solidly in subjects not related to gaming.

Well thank you good sir! I'm very passionate about these kinds of things, I'm hopefully starting a law course in human rights in a month or so. I'm a firm believer in the statement "Power to the people" and the right to real freedom.

 

[mrfatso]

nice speech, at least yours make sense instead of sounding self-centred

Again, i don really have any comment on the govenment, i am not well-informed enough to make any post, any post by me would be purely by self-opnion i.e from newspaper and google.

 

[Sterling]

ok,

Politics is fucking politics!

1) FNN is the most unbiased fair network in America, the fact that someone who owns a network leans towards the right means nothing for the newscasters that project the news. The only reason why it seems like its right wing, is because its the only one with a good amount of replublican newscasters!

2) I can't really comment on that, and I really wouldn't want a dicatator in the first place. The government here has been doing a good job at making sure you get a education in the first place!

3) Leaning in my context is the same as Border in your context. And a social democracy is a bad idea to me, production controlled by the people is not a far cry from Communism.

4) ok damn it! Stop putting words in my mouth! I said:

If you don't seek to find a way to pay to go to college, then you do not deserve to go to college.

5) Please stop using Teh as a replacement for the, and if you really are going to a University, please review your use of grammer/spelling like you are a University student already

6) Look, religion should never be used in joint with politics, it will just mess things up

Also SHIT happens weather you are a practicing Christian or not.

ok you guys have given me alot to think about

I may not be back here for awhile, I will research and will return

(boy I would kill to have a copy of the Health care bill, so I can see the fine print and stuff.)

 

[Sterling]

Z.Z really?

 

[jaxxster]

I dont really have much to say, i try not to get involved in politics espically american ones but just by comparison it actually makes english politics look good....In my view America is just trying as much as it can to drag every other country down with itself.

Think about it, if england didnt get involved in these shitty wars with america our country would be in so much of a better finanical shape.

 

[jaxxster]

 

[emigre]

spelling, grammar on an internet forum where I spend less then five minutes on each post? Oh noes!

Seriously go and read up on political ideology and learn how they all differ. Too many people think Social Democracy is Socialism. Also look at the Social security, healthcare and education system in Scandinavia and differ from the US it's rather interesting.

 

[Maktub]

There's one thing that puzzles me - why do many people from the USA mostly use communism as something to be avoided? It's like they're using it as a synonym for "evil", "bad", "wrong"...

I just don't get it. It's simply another way to administer things, it's failed because of external pressure (well, mostly at least) and it's been demonized in the USA for God knows what reason in the past. Communism doesn't mean that no one has a property. Have any of you guys heard of the "third way"? (not sure this is the exact term you'd use in English). That's mostly communism. Communism as it's understood nowadays translates into socialism which is what a healthy democracy would naturally lead to, as the government is ultimately (or SHOULD be, at least) in hands of the majority, and the majority isn't composed of rich, powerful people but rather of the kind of people you see in the local grocery or buying newspapers. I don't think their goal is to let other people gain a lot of money wiht their hard work. The least people would want is to have the same as most other people do and to ascend in a system of merits.

This system of merits is, maybe, another one of the reasons why communism (hardcore communism after WWII) failed. Everyone got the same even if they did no work at all, and if you wanted to improve, there was no room because you simply belonged to the populace, the uniform mass. That's been "fixed" with the implementation of an upper "ceiling" in a very controlled environment (mostly because it's transparent) in countries that live on the "third way" (some kind of mixture between communism and capitalism), namely the nordic countries. I do know for a fact that some former presidents of the USA have pointed at those countries and said they were evil and shit but that was clearly propaganda for some stupid quarrel back then that doesn't make sense no more and that only a few rednecks would swallow.

Anyway, not like I'm interested in making an apology of any way. I just would like to know why, in most of USAns minds, the word "communism" rings with the same tone of bells of the apocalypse as "terrorism" is beginning to do nowadays.

 

[Sterling]

I will, and hey just so everyone knows I probably will convinently forget about the voting date

also I have to think hard about these kinds of things cause I am still in Highschool