Opinions of the US govenment

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Aug 30, 2009

Opinions of the US govenment by Sterling at 3:31 AM (3,119 Views / 0 Likes) 47 replies

  1. Sterling
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    The government is not as balanced as it should be, because the Checks and Balances triangle is bigger on the Judicial side. Any law passed by Congress and the Senate may be proclaimed as 'unconstitutional' thus being thrown out before being ratified into the constitution as an amendment (there it can't be touched). As for our new president, I throw up a little in my mouth everytime I hear "Government Run Health Care Plan", honestly if the government is going to create something to give back to the people it usually means more taxes. Like Social Security, in retrospect we all have to pay for the so called "Government Health Care Plan" which I am not for having to pay for the Bailout plan AND a new Universal Health Care Plan. From reports from other countries, people come from "X" country to here to get the faster health care. If you think that it will be better service than now, you are incorrect, becuase it will only get worse. People with more severe diseases will NOT get the care they need when they need it. Of course you can still pay for better health care, but most businesses will switch from a health care plan the had to pay for previously, to one tax dollars pay for. You can see some problems for the upper middle, middle and lower classes that will be supplemented by rising rates of inflation, and lower pay rates.

    well thats all i have for now [​IMG]
     


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    well i don't think the american goverment can be worse than parliment here in the U.K *looks at gordon brown* *shakes head in dissafaction*


    EDIT: oh and please forgive the horrible grammer and spelling IM VERY DRUNK [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  3. Sterling
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    You are ok, this is a drunk person's second home [​IMG] (unless you manage to slurr your typing as well as your speech)
     
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    Honestly, I don't see why healthcare is as big of a political issue as it is today. Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but here's how I see it:

    We understand that our system is inefficient: that through a lack of communication and/or cooperation, we are not providing care as well or as much as we could. We also understand that our system is (and in a very similar fashion) costly: that because people can't pay for it, they aren't receiving it. We understand that healthcare is a fundamental need, as basic as food and shelter. And since Obama stepped into office, we also know it's just another excuse for people on TV to scream at each other.

    So, then, if there's a drastically neglected system, whose improvement would benefit almost all of the country...what's preventing the change? Let me answer that for you: DOLLARS. Lots and lots of corporate DOLLARS, made off of the sick and the dying and the old. Lots and lots of corporate dollars earned for every rejected claim and rescinded coverage.

    You can compare Obama to Hitler or Stalin (or whatever's popular these days) but my understanding of the healthcare situation in this country is greed. I know that the only reason that healthcare is not being made more available or affordable (if not Obama's Universal Healthcare Plan), is because the people who have most influence over the decision would lose power over it.

    TL;DR version:
    This country sucks because the people who run it are greedy fuckin' assholes, is what.
     
  5. TrolleyDave

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    http://www.jdsupra.com/documents/807ba8b5-...79ad8d50990.pdf

    It's a story about eBay being taken to court for infringing a smaller companys patent. They were found guilty of infringing the patent and the smaller company was awarded compensation but because it would cost eBay profits to remove the infringed patent the judge decided they didn't have to. To me it basically shows that in the US any larger company can steal any smaller companies patent and have the protection of the court. I'm sure that if it was the other way around the smaller company would have been punished more severely than eBay was.
     
  6. Sterling
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    Thats fucked up trolly. I dislike ebay even more now. The US courts are convoluted and messed up. I agree with some decisions, but alot of them are bogus, or wrong [​IMG]
     
  7. DSGamer64

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    I dunno, being a Canadian, I support Obama's motions to make healthcare a socialized system and people seem to be going completely apeshit over it. I feel sorry for politicians for having to deal with some of the retards blasting Obama for what he is doing with the things they say.
     
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    Let me ask you something: Do you recieve proper healthcare by walk in, or schedule? Are you at risk for any potential diseases/ genetic disorders, and what will you do for an unplanned permanent injury (eg: nerve damage from a car crash, or cartlige connecting a rib to the spine dies and the rib won't stay in). In those situations would you get the proper care when you need it fast?
     
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    Don't know about Canada but in the UK that's basically how it is. When I went in for the gallbladder thing I walked into the A&E without contacting them first, it took about 30 mins before I was seen for a prelim exam. Then I sat in a room for like another half hour and a doctor came to see me. Shortly after that I went for xrays and tests and then I was admitted. I was there for a week, discharged and given painkillers and anti-biotics. Didn't cost me a penny. I was supposed to have surgery recently but it was postponed, but only because the operation wasn't as urgent as they first thought. If it becomes severe again I just have to go to the A&E and I'll have the surgery within 24 hours.

    People with genetic predispositions for diseases and what not also get the same care. There's stories going around of people being refused treatment because they're smokers but I've never actually met anyone that it's happened to.

    The one thing that Britain no longer has tho are doctors that make housecalls, or at least I haven't seen any for a long time now.

    About 15 years ago now my nephew was bitten by a dog, it took a huge chunk out of his cheek (you could literally see through his cheek into his mouth). There was an ambulance within 30 mins, he was admitted immediately and a plastic surgeon was flown in from Liverpool. He was operated on as soon as the surgeon arrived and kept in hospital to recover for about a week. Again, no charge to us.

    Health care should be free-ish, ie. a small portion of everyones taxes should be earmarked for running socialised health-care. Is 50 cents a week really too much to ask to guarantee that everyone the US receives the medical treatment they need?
     
  10. Sterling
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    Hmm so you can be seen by walkins for checkups, and a fast schedule for minor surgurys, and a medical response unit for emergencies no questions asked. I would imagine thats the way it would be in the US too, but do you know anything about how long it takes for serious diseases, and terminal injurys take to get in and treat? I believe they are put on a list and have to wait for months, and sometimes years. Also senior citizens may be crippled by a Universal plan, as the government would reserve the right to decide if they need it, or be SOL. I am concered for terminal disease because they are often painful and need several surgurys, and alot of medication. And my Grandparents are seniors, and to be honest they are my second parents, and I wouldn't want them to be in pain.
     
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    Well you can't walk into the A&E just for a checkup. You have to actually have something wrong with you! For a checkup we visit our GP/Doctor. Alot of doctors use the appointment system now though, although the doctor I'm with I can just walk in and wait to see him.

    Terminal illness isn't really something I've got alot of experience with. My Moms aunt (is that my great-aunt? I'm not really clued up on these things) died of cancer. She had great treatment during the whole thing and when she died it was in a hospital room surrounded by loved ones and doped to the eyeballs on painkillers. My brother-in-laws sister had cancer not so long ago and she was treated immediately and has made a good recovery.

    You hear stories of people waiting months for simple operations and other such things, but usually they're statistics provided by BUPA who are the people who provide our version of the American medical insurance thing. I've never actually known anyone personally that's had their health put at risk from waiting for surgery. In England and Scotland you have to pay for medication, but here in Wales it's all provided free of charge regardless of age or circumstance. Our government/health care system would never refuse treatment to someone who really needed it. Although saying that you get the odd story on the national news of someone being refused treatment and being forced to go to America to get it, but again I've got no personal experience with ever meeting someone who's been denied treatment. Plus we always have the option of going to another country in the EU (like France) where there's socialised health care. From what I hear the French health care system is outstanding, Costello would know more about that than me though.
     
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    Wow thanks you have informed me on the pluses of a Universal plan, but now if you look at it a few ways you'll see communism rear its ugly head, the link to communism is when everyone will have the same quality of care, same cost. When you have a free country for that is driven by a free market, where the healthcare companies provide jobs to the general public, and when companies drop those companies for healthcare people will be laid off. Our economy has been picking up, and the way I see it those jobs will probably affect the economy and drive unemployment up. Jobs are already scarce now,I am 18, and have yet to be hired for my second job, Students are having trouble finding jobs to pay for college because adults are taking all the minimum wage jobs [​IMG] As the free country gets comfy with one Universal Plan, the govenment will try to take over another part of your life. Decades later the country is not free it is oppressed.

    Now about term limits for Congress and the Senate, there needs to be something there so there will be new blood like maybe every 3 terms, that way we only have to deal with crap 3 times before we get new crap (maybe better crap) for three more times, rinse wash repeat [​IMG].
     
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    I could go on about this statement for hours. Isn't your country already doing something similar under the guise of The Patriot Act? I recommend you watch a lecture titled "The End of America".
     
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    Interesting topic, I am somewhat well versed in NHS/care services courtesy of friends and family and find the debates in the US highly amusing if not only because I would take healthcare as a right rather than a nicety. I will mention the difference in mindset though- it is frequently several years between checkups for most people and the borderline hypochondria that I see in a good chunk of the US population (see people buying out medications for scares) as well as tendency to sue (although it is changing for the worse*) is near nonexistent.
    Also people seem to assume that because it is available for free everything else will vanish which is anything but the case.
    As for medics and more money I know of many who work for the NHS and play private medic at the same time (even in the same facilities). This runs the gamut from basic carers to nurses (pay rates for agency work over Christmas/new years is enough to net several grand when done properly) to junior doctors to GPs to top flight surgeons (and their "teams") and everyone else in between. Also TrolleyDave no callouts? odd, it is not liked and is mainly for emergencies (especially if you are in the sticks) but most GP surgeries I have seen will do it. You also have community nursing (psychiatric and general medical) as well social care which take a bunch of what would be considered the home visit territory and can and do call in things if it is serious.
    That is not to say the system is perfect or is not in need of a serious overhaul in places, it is anything but, but it works.

    My main gripe is software patents though- Trolleydave mentioned the ebay thing and to my mind software should not be patentable at all (moreover the whole thing was started a somewhat backdoor method based on a court ruling from a genetics patent dispute which again I am not convinced needs to/can justifiably exist).
    This is also causing some pressure on the rest of the world as well to adopt software patents too and I am truly scared at such a thing happening.

    "more taxes"- seems to be a sticking point with many people, in terms of total amounts of income the US seems to be fairly average or even low among first world countries.

    I suppose above it all any issues I have with the US government is the same as any other government I have even seen- use of fear tactics and masses of spin, lack of science based decision making, near total unaccountability and lack of transparency. Seen as damn near everyone is elected there it permeates a good chunk of society which in theory is nice but when everyone has to play politics the original mission seems to go out of the window.
    On the flip side of that is their employment thinking (especially around self employment and dismissal of staff) which I can certainly get behind- far less convoluted and far more fair and from what I have seen they are usually inclined to leave you alone rather than meddle which I like.

    *Nowadays I quite often get cold calls from telemarketers operating for such companies- managed to waste 45 minutes of one the other day spinning a story and using the time to read the 'temp and some news stories... for some reason he got extremely angry at the end when I decided to not go ahead with the claim.
     
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    I think it's safe to say Trollydave said everything that needed to be said.

    I remember reading a while ago that the former USSR had more doctors per every 100 then the US.

    Being frank socialised healthcare is brilliant, it never leaves anyone behind and you essentially only pay for it via taxation and the NHS is a lot better then what people say. The fact there's fourty-six million people in the US without any heath plan is bloody demorialising and it more alike to a poverty stricken nation rather then the "greatest country in the world." IMO it's embarrassing that the US the are I beleive the only country int eh developed world without universal healthcare as it simply shows teh selfish nature some people have in the US.

    To describe it as communism is stupedly irrelevant in today's society has it's now IMO (well in Britain) a cross party agreement Socialists, Social Democrats, Liberals and even Conservatives (well Cameron at least) agree that there should be universal healthcare. Yeah; essentially it is a socialist idea. The health system in the UK was set up be a socialist. Nye Bevan and nobody goes sees him as a figure of evil. In fact people still admire the bloke despite he died nearly fifty years; personally teh man's my hero becasue he fought so hard for something that has helped so many people.

    Socialised healthcare has more pros then cons. it means everyone are entitled to a standard of healthcare rather tehn the current system of making money out of the sick because that's what it is essentially. The wholething about being "free," is utter bollocks because I can't see anything in it. "Woo hoo, I'm going to die without any medical care becasue we're economically free." And I really hope the Republicans are proud that thier doing what they can to deny people healthcare. What makes me laugh is that the republicans claim to be the party of God and Jesus; what would Jesus do? He'd support universal healthcare; did he go and refuse to heal people because they didn't have health insurance? No he fucking didn't. ( I can't beleive I've just used religion here)

    Summary: You've got to be a totally selfish cunt to be against socialised healthcare.


    Views on the US government?

    Current lot- seem all right, they have a hint of rationality and but fast enough for my liking they should have got teh ball rolling earlier when teh republicans were down.

    General opinion of US governments- TBF they generally seem to be total cunts. teh US have a lot of making up to do becasue in all honesty the Us have upset a lot of people.
     
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    WHY DON'T I HAVE MORE EUROPEAN FRIENDS?
     
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    I live in the UK and (although comedians mock the NHS) it DOES work. I've had to go into hospital many times for operations and I've not died from MRSA or any other infection...and I hardly think you can call the UK a communist country [​IMG]

    It also didn't take long for me to be seen at hospital at all, within an hours of arriving with apendicitus I was being examined and treated.
     
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    What kind of phallacy is that that states that anything that goes close to communism is bad?

    Look at the nordic countries. If they had a good climate, they'd be the closest to Heaven on Earth.

    In Spain we have the free healthcare system. It covers most of the daily shit a person's going to go through during their lifespan (HELL! it even covers sex change in some places). Of course there's a waiting list for important things such as surgery, transplantation, etc., but it is on overall a very good health care system. We do lack personal at the moment, but that's got to do with the current meanness of people in the lead rather than a failure in the system.

    Anyway, health goes FIRST. Without health, what is there to do? What does money matter if there's no hope of waking up tomorrow? If you fear that a stupid flu will screw up you forever because it goes from sneezing to pneumonia? Health is much more important than the USA government has thought it to be for centuries, and when the USA come up in a conversation, it's rare when we don't discuss how barbaric it is, not having a free health care system.

    It's funny how they might have nukes to blow up planet Earth but not to defend themselves against some fucking flu.
     
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    Its run by....Christian Companies?

    Im okay with it.
     

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