New protection on DS carts

GexX2 · Feb 10, 2007

You buy something like flashcarts, because you expect them to last until the consoles end. I would expect protection like this would throw people off from buying a flashcard until they know that the protection can be thwarted.

simpson17 · Feb 10, 2007

According to a digg user, this is a first party game.
Here's the official website -
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/awgj/index.html

Unfortunately this game looks pretty damn cool too -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ksIolu65CbI

OSW · Feb 10, 2007

Interesting news. i'm keen on an update where furthur info is discovered.

Nemo_DS · Feb 10, 2007

As told, here's a better explanation in last NFO wrg release, Wi-Fi_Taiou_Morita_Shogi_DS_READ_NFO_JPN_NDS-WRG:

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Â Â Â| ÂA possibly new protection method was implied to the latest NDS Â|
Â Â Â| ÂGame Jet Impulse/DS Air (NTR-AWGJ-JPN). Two of our suppliers Â Â|
Â Â Â| Âhave tried WRG DUMP 1.4/M3 and got the same dumping problems. Â |
Â Â Â| ÂSee Jet_Impulse05.jpg ~ Jet_Impulse10.jpg. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| ÂThis game is 1Gbit in size and uses the Macronix chip. A Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| Ânoticeable fact is that this is the first 1Gbit chip from Â Â Â |
Â Â Â| ÂMacronix.Check Jet_Impulse00.jpg ~ Jet_Impulse04.jpg. Â Â Â Â Â |
Â Â Â| Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| ÂAnyone who has the same interest in solving this myth, please Â |
Â Â Â| Âfeel free to contact us. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|
Â Â Â| ÂWRG 2007 - TOO SHIT THESE DAYS, I SAID 233 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â|

pasc · Feb 10, 2007

I thought everyone was allowed to backup his own game ONCE for himself, so isn´t this protection AGAINST THIS RULE ?

I think if Big N got this protection that strong that we can´t dump it then they have discovered our last weak point...

If this shit is true then my biggest nightmare has just came true

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EDIT: Hope the problem lies in that new Chip.

BTW: Holy Crap ! 1 Gbit ? If they bring out much more games of this type then we maybe get 2 Gbit Games soon !

nloding · Feb 10, 2007

Technically you are allowed to have backups of your movies/CDs/DVDs/etc, but technically you aren't allowed to bypass the copy protection to make them. So having one, if you own the original, isn't illegal, but making the copy is.

And it's not enough to just say you lost the original -- you need substantial proof.

My first thought was ... so how does this affect the Wii? What hasn't Nintendo shown us yet?

H8TR · Feb 10, 2007

The R4 would be another flash cart for another DS. I already have an M3 DS Simply an I not going to stop using it because of this. I just want to know if this case is isolated to one game or maybe even just Japan. If it is, I will continue with my purchase. If this is the case with all DS games, until we can break through the protection, I will continue to buy my games, which like many others I still do even though I have a flash cart. I still have intention of buying PKMN D/P. (I want the pre-order stylus! LOL.)

blackjack · Feb 10, 2007

QUOTE(pasc @ Feb 10 2007 said:
I thought everyone was allowed to backup his own game ONCE for himself, so isn´t this protection AGAINST THIS RULE ?

I think if Big N got this protection that strong that we can´t dump it thenÂ they have discovered our last weak point...

BUT if someone could figure out how the DS reads those Games thenÂ couldn´t we make a dumper that works ON the DS ?

If this shit is true then my biggest nightmare just came true

.

EDIT: Hope the problem lies in that new Chip.

BTW: Holy Crap ! 1 Gbit ? If they bring out much more games of this type then we maybe get 2 Gbit soon !

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openchip · Feb 10, 2007

humm.. an LPT port slot-1 reader reports
non-standard port init values for nintendo browser
00416017 001808F8
^ this is not usual value, 00586000 is standard.
havent had time to figure out what it does cause.
the usual KEY1 stuff doesnt at least work on that card.

but the 1G card seems to be even worse,
has new chip coding also 23J not 23L
n browser has 23L 8mbyte chip in it chip ID C2 07 00 00

hm.. that new game seems only be available in JPN or?

ChowMein · Feb 10, 2007

I hope that it's just an isolated case and that Macronix doesn't play smart and sell their chip to other DS developers as "copy protection".

Flash · Feb 10, 2007

I think it's only a dumping problem. If they found a solution to make a backup it should be no problem to load the rom on a current flash card.

Killermech · Feb 10, 2007

Everytime a new protection is presented. A person(s) is motivated to take upon the challenge of bypassing it. I wouldn't worry too much, but likely we might have to wait a while till it's fixed.

Satangel · Feb 10, 2007

I just ordered a R4 DS, is this great game gonna be playable on it when its dumped?

MrHellFire · Feb 10, 2007

Oh dear God, no...please please don't have Bleach 2nd use the same carts...Only 5 days away, we can't have something like this happen...

Flash · Feb 10, 2007

QUOTE(Satangel @ Feb 10 2007 said:
I just ordered a R4 DS, is this great game gonna be playable on it when its dumped?

Seems to be a dumping problem. After firmeware update there should be no problem to use the roms with current geeneration of cards.

openchip · Feb 10, 2007

QUOTE(openchip @ Feb 10 2007 said:
humm.. an LPT port slot-1 reader reports
non-standard port init values for nintendo browser
00416017 001808F8
^ this is not usual value, 00586000 is standard.
havent had time to figure out what it does cause.
the usual KEY1 stuff doesnt at least work on that card.

but the 1G card seems to be even worse,
has new chip coding also 23J not 23L
n browser has 23L 8mbyte chip in it chip ID C2 07 00 00

hm.. that new game seems only be available in JPN or?

uups, I take it back, the non-standard portinit values for
nds browser do have no effect on standard card reading.
it can be read with lpt port reader ok.
Was my bad, had some strange testing results initially.

Satangel · Feb 10, 2007

QUOTE(Flash @ Feb 10 2007 said:
QUOTE(Satangel @ Feb 10 2007 said:

I just ordered a R4 DS, is this great game gonna be playable on it when its dumped?

Seems to be a dumping problem. After firmeware update there should be no problem to use the roms with current geeneration of cards.

Click to expand...

Oh tnx alot!!!!

And they willl dump it, anything made by a man, can be cracked by a man

bobrules · Feb 10, 2007

Is there a possibility of new firmware on the DS? Does that mean people should get their ds lite as soon as possible?

science · Feb 10, 2007

LOL why is everyone in such a panic? STOP PANICKING!!!

Flash · Feb 10, 2007

QUOTE(bobrules @ Feb 10 2007 said:
Is there a possibility of new firmware on the DS? Does that mean people should get their ds lite as soon as possible?

LOL, no new ds firmeware, i said flash card (M3 simply, R4 etc.) firmeware

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