Is all masculinity toxic?

[fixingmytoys]

if people can be who they are or who they think they are , why in this so called new world why can't males just can't be males why is that male masculinity toxic all of a sudden? what because one half dose not like the cards they got when they came into this world, not like we could pick, it is what is.
masculinity dose not have a on off button , sorry new order pc people no switch , you do realizes or do you choose to not that masculinity comes at different leaves, all males don't have the same amount. you cant change who you are or make laws to change some one, all that will happen is a new group of people will go into hiding , and for you people that were hiding who you are and what you. need i say more

 

[bitjacker]

Political correctness is the problem in a lot of areas right now. why cant feminism be called toxic for imposing a penalty on anyone with a trace amount of testosterone? Its the male gender's fault for letting outrage culture ruin everyone's lives. Alot of people need to just get punched in the face. Wait, was that toxic?

 

[Xzi]

Do people really not know what toxic masculinity is? In simple terms it's a nicer way of calling someone a douchebag or a jackass. From the replies it seems like most people here would rather be called those names, though. "Toxic masculinity" seems to be too triggering.

And lol at the argument "you are who you are." Well...yeah, but you could use that shallow thought to excuse away literally anything. Pedophilia, rape, murder, anything.

 

[fiis]

If you add an "if (insert something here)" to the question, you leveled up from 1 to 99.

 

[bitjacker]

If you add an "if (insert something here)" to the question, you leveled up from 1 to 99.

And have keep it civil as your first post.

 

[Deleted member 461907]

Any proposition that assumes an absolute, like this one is worthless to discuss.

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Political correctness is the problem in a lot of areas right now. why cant feminism be called toxic for imposing a penalty on anyone with a trace amount of testosterone? Its the male gender's fault for letting outrage culture ruin everyone's lives. Alot of people need to just get punched in the face. Wait, was that toxic?

Fallacy of relative privation. Pointing at something else doesn't justify your point.

 

[vinstage]

Good example of toxic masculinity is Romeo and Juliet but I don’t know about all masculinity being toxic.
Some of it can be toxic but not all of it.

 

[FAST6191]

Good example of toxic masculinity is Romeo and Juliet

Where? It has been a while since I was subject to it at school, however going by what others have said in this thread if such could things be reasonably defined as overemphasis on "manly" traits then it is not in the establishing framework of the story, a causing factor in the story, a driving factor in the story, responsible for its "tragic" end or reasonably could be said to be the moral of the story. Maybe the opening fight but even that would be something of a stretch.

 

[vinstage]

Where? It has been a while since I was subject to it at school, however going by what others have said in this thread if such could things be reasonably defined as overemphasis on "manly" traits then it is not in the establishing framework of the story, a causing factor in the story, a driving factor in the story, responsible for its "tragic" end or reasonably could be said to be the moral of the story. Maybe the opening fight but even that would be something of a stretch.

Depends how you interpret it so maybe I should word it better. The play opens with two servants of the Montague household. Between them they makes jokes of rape “I will be cruel with the maids, and cut off their heads…the heads of the maids, or their maidenheads” “I will push Montague’s men from the wall, and thrust his maids to the wall” and mocking the Capulet household in their fustration to show their masculinity in a toxic manner of comparing rape as an equal to violence (despite neither households knowing why they're truly in conflict, it's pointless but some interpet as most the fighting as a consequence of toxic masculinity. No evidence to back this up however just an interpretation) the proceeding brawl occurs as a result of men simply trying to feel superior. Women are never present during the brawls, only ever after.

That's just the opening scene. Tybalt embodies the idea of toxic masculinity as he only ever seeks to fight throughout the play even daring to challenge someone at a higher authority to him, something a woman could never possibly do otherwise grave consequences are to occur as demonstrated through Juliet. Instead were a man to do it, it is gruffly re asserted but nothing greater. On the other hand characters such as Romeo trivialise the idea of toxic masculinity (yet the idea conflict overpowers all comes into play as even he turns to violence) and arguably Mercutio.

 

[FAST6191]

Hmm. I have long been wary of buying any given person's interpretation of a work but that is a step beyond.

Joke time

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Totally. And Guaidó will Make Venezuela Great Again!

 

[camW00dS]

no

these trends are so stupid, they develop not equality for women, but sexist oppression of men

the same thing is with all other minorities that somehow stood out of crowd

 

[bitjacker]

Red herring!

 

[Glyptofane]

Yea, so what?