Im a little confused on homosexuality

[HateBreed]

And finally

4). What other species show intercourse (I guess would be the word) with the same sex
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Here.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBDn5PiL00[/youtube]

You are seriously going to criticize the integrity of the great and holy Wikipedia?!? Blasphemy!

+1

 

[Schlupi]

@ Hatebreed: +1 posts are not welcome here. Try to give your post some more substance, please.

 

[Nathan Drake]

That makes no logical sense. Chromosomes don't just "get mixed up". There most certainly is some kind of genetic influence, but neither parents are to blame. On one part there are genes and on the other there are a plethora of factors that could influence sexual orientation.

First, yes, chromosomes do just "get mixed up." The results can be fairly disastrous too, or the effect could be very minor. Welcome to the world of genetic mutations. Also, yes, both parents could be to blame from a technical standpoint if it is genetic. Kind of like if the mother and father don't have hemophilia, but their kid does, it is their fault for having a kid whilst being carriers (and trust me, they should know if hemophilia is in their family). Homosexuality is near impossible to track genetically though, as it is impossible to find those who are truly homosexual.

 

[Pyrmon]

That makes no logical sense. Chromosomes don't just "get mixed up". There most certainly is some kind of genetic influence, but neither parents are to blame. On one part there are genes and on the other there are a plethora of factors that could influence sexual orientation.

First, yes, chromosomes do just "get mixed up." The results can be fairly disastrous too, or the effect could be very minor. Welcome to the world of genetic mutations. Also, yes, both parents could be to blame from a technical standpoint if it is genetic. Kind of like if the mother and father don't have hemophilia, but their kid does, it is their fault for having a kid whilst being carriers (and trust me, they should know if hemophilia is in their family). Homosexuality is near impossible to track genetically though, as it is impossible to find those who are truly homosexual.

And just how do the X and Y chromosomes get "mixed up"? Mutations are caused by changes in the genes. A gene can be changed by radiations and other environmental factors. Chromosomes don't switch place or something. The only case of "mixing up" I can think of would be trisomy.

 

[Nathan Drake]

Yes, pieces of genes do get moved into the wrong places. I wish I had the pictures my genetics teacher showed me. During meiosis (the combination of two separate sex cells experience in mammals), the chromosomes eventually need to move into place. While being pulled into the correct place, pieces may be left behind or end up in the wrong place. You can literally have pieces of chromosome on the wrong chromosomes. It is perfectly possible, and has happened.

Edit: Also, the only time trisomy is really referred to is trisomy 21 (a third 21st chromosome), generally the cause of mental retardation.

Edit 2: Sorry for not being super specific. I'm trying to remember the names of everything, but it's all escaping me. At the moment, I'm making no effort to go find my biology notes, primarily because the only notes I have are from the awful student teacher that taught the unit. My actual teacher had to teach it all again so that we actually understood. Of course, that was over two years ago now.

Edit 3: FFS, meiosis is the copying of sex cells, where stuff can go where it shouldn't. Damn, I need to read up again.

 

[cwstjdenobs]

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You are seriously going to criticize the integrity of the great and holy Wikipedia?!? Blasphemy!

Well a lot of what Wikipedia is counting as homosexual behaviour outside of mammals and birds is just that animals normal mating behaviour. Parthenogenesis for example. They are also counting species that only have females (but must mate with a male of another species to produce young, even though they use no genetic material from the male) as homosexuality. I really think that is stretching the definition a bit.

And @JoostinOnline, not all animals do that for the sake of asserting dominance. Dogs do but I can't think of another where it's about dominance. With Bonobos, well they'll jump anything and everything at the drop of a hat, male or female.

EDIT:And @ Pyrmon, the copying mechanism itself can introduce errors.

 

[ibis_87]

Well, say, my girfriend is attracted by beatiful women. She likes to observe the body of a beatiful woman - be it dressed or nude. She thought she was bi or even lesbian, but she tried, and found out she was completely straight. So, I guess secondary things (like your "gym case") don't mean much.

 

[prowler]

IAMA homosexual, AMA.

 

[Miss Panda]

How do YOU know heterosexuality is "normal" anyways? Like how most people can drink cow's milk; you KNOW THAT is a proper mutation, correct? Those few who are lactose intolerant are the "normal" ones. We aren't supposed to drink cow's milk. Nobody can say what is "right or wrong".

Coffee over keyboard moment.
I have no issue with gay peeps let me be clear on that. But trying to validate them by making out that heterosexuality might not be 'normal'...... every scientist in the world just had a little giggle. Or maybe shook their head in disbelief.
You do the gay community no favours with this nonsense. There is this thing called evolution and there is this other thing called 'perpetuating the species' and 'Darwinism' oh yeah and logic. If we didn't exist neither would gay people.

But I like you Schlupi even if you are on the funny pills today. I like your username too.

 

[cwstjdenobs]

@Schlupi I'm afraid you can easily. It's a maths matter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

 

[Depravo]

2). Is homosexuality natural or is a "gene mutation"

I'm no biologist but don't gene mutations occur naturally?

 

[Nathan Drake]

2). Is homosexuality natural or is a "gene mutation"

I'm no biologist but don't gene mutations occur naturally?

Generally, yes. I think a better way to form the question would be - Nature vs Nurture - Errr...had to fix that, since genetics sort of is the nature part.

Of course, then the thread just turns into a debate on the causes of homosexuality and is eventually shut.

 

[Depravo]

Of course, then the thread just turns into a debate on the causes of homosexuality and is eventually shut.

As is the fate of all threads concerning homosexuality.

 

[Pong20302000]

What about the people that like both?

the Bi-sexual's

but say they don't mind either but they prefer one over the other.

 

[Nathan Drake]

Most bisexuals I've come to know come to form a tendency and either land on one end of the spectrum or the other. There is no actual in between, there are just people who are confused and don't know which way to go yet. Anybody who says they are bisexual their entire life is just kidding themselves. It isn't possible. Basic sexuality is fairly absolute from everything that has been seen.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Of course, then the thread just turns into a debate on the causes of homosexuality and is eventually shut.

As is the fate of all threads concerning homosexuality.

I went ahead and called 911 already, so there will be plenty of fireman here once the flaming starts.

 

[Jamstruth]

Of course, then the thread just turns into a debate on the causes of homosexuality and is eventually shut.

Considering that this thread is almsot entirely based on that topic I think its fine as long as we don't get some big hate up in here.

QUOTE(Wllmrly @ Jul 7 2011, 05:13 AM) Well i want to know two thins about this subject and if you are homosexual it would be great to her your input also

1).What exactly defines homosexuality? Could you be homosexual if you are in a gym full of naked guys and you get a boner does that make you gay?
Homosexuality is defined as a sexual attraction to a member of the same sex. This occurs naturally in nature. Your random boner in the locker room means nothing unless it was fantasies and the sight of the naked male body that insighted it. Course if you're a teenager these happen all the time. I could end up with boners in random classes but that doesn't mean anything

1a). If you answer yes do that above statement does that mean if you don't agree with it mentally your still classified under that
If you disagree mentally then... well its hard to say. Its a possible denial if you do find yourself fantasising about guys in a sexual way but bury it because you think its wrong/unnatural/sinful/whatever. Everybody's different on this score.

2). Is homosexuality natural or is a "gene mutation" me personally i believe its a mutation but I'm walking into this subject with a clean slate.
Every time a baby is born it has small forms of "genetic mutation". Its called evolution, the characterisitics of the mother and father are mixed to create the baby. If it is a strange quirk in the genetic structure but it doesn't make it any less natural than the colour of your hair or something. These things happen in nature

2a). If it is natural how can you have evidence showing that this is a natural occurrence
It is natural because it happens. Its that simple. You can't make somebody gay by firing radiation at them or something. Its just a fact of the world.

2b). If it is a gene mutation could it possibly be that the X and Y chromosomes are mixed up some time during the developing fetus (also who is to blame for this the male parent or female parent).
While this can happen (XXY males or whatever) it is not the cause of homosexuality. I don't know what it is myself. Nobody is "to blame" for the sexuality of their child.

3). How can you not be attracted to a naked female? Well what i want to know about this one is if you see a naked female/male you are completely turned off with no intent to do anything with that person
The same way girls aren't attracted to it. Its that simple. Personally I think all humans have some form of bisexuality to them in differing forms at least early in life before they finally settle on one or the other. Genes may have a factor in this as well not just preference.

And finally

4). What other species show intercourse (I guess would be the word) with the same sex
I remember a story somewhere about a pair of gay penguins at a zoo...

Basically some people are gay. Get over it.

 

[KingVamp]

You'd think from an evolutionary standpoint straight men should hate lesbians, love gay men and try and stay away from other straight men. Less competition that way.

My mind couldn't register any sense out of that...

 

[rastsan]

Well i want to know two thins about this subject and if you are homosexual it would be great to her your input also

1).What exactly defines homosexuality? Could you be homosexual if you are in a gym full of naked guys and you get a boner does that make you gay?

1a). If you answer yes do that above statement does that mean if you don't agree with it mentally your still classified under that

2). Is homosexuality natural or is a "gene mutation" me personally i believe its a mutation but I'm walking into this subject with a clean slate.

2a). If it is natural how can you have evidence showing that this is a natural occurrence

2b). If it is a gene mutation could it possibly be that the X and Y chromosomes are mixed up some time during the developing fetus (also who is to blame for this the male parent or female parent).

3). How can you not be attracted to a naked female? Well what i want to know about this one is if you see a naked female/male you are completely turned off with no intent to do anything with that person

And finally

4). What other species show intercourse (I guess would be the word) with the same sex
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1 you can get a boner in agym full of guys and not be gay... you could just be turned on by something... heck some of the married men I used to work out with that was the only place they could masturbate without getting trouble from their wives about it... does it make them gay that they can masturbate in front of other guys no... only gay if they are getting the other guys to turn them on by doing something to them and even then... that would still be a grey area cause the guy turning the other guy on could be talking about the sex he had with his girlfriend.

1a,2,2a,2b,3 refusing to answer this as you are already biased and seem to have some preconceptions about homosexuality and appear to be trying to get people pissed off with you...

4 i am not going to look this up for you... as you can do it yourself- my experience though... squirrels, dogs cats, budgees, frogs, rats... there is more but eh

so let me go over something:
types of:

men whose preference is to see their sexual organs in the act of sexual intercourse- can be non specific to any sexuality as long as they see their sexual organs doing it... this covers necrophilia, bestiality, pedophilia and probably quite a lot more that I don't care to go into.
men whose preference is to see female sexual organs in the act of intercourse. a strong sigh of heterosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality.
men whose preference is to see other male organs in the act of sexual intercourse. specific to homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality...
men whose preference is inanimate objects and has nothing to do with their own sexual organs... don't remember what to call this... I am biased on this one as I had a neighbor who had this condition.

this is just a small list and you sir obviously just wanted a fight... if you truly care to broaden yourself with knowledge. abandon preconceptions like any of the above and be ready to listen...
just because the guy has a boner in the locker room when he is around a bunch of other guys could mean literally anything. you need to look up locker room porn that involves males and take a subjective look...

but since I am sensing an immature under 14 year old person... I would also like to state that if you are indeed that age Don't look up what I suggested until you are legally of the age to do so.

Memories of my redneck highschool and the poor guy that got sent to the hospital for 6 months cause just he masturbated in the shower and had the tail end of a "boner" afterwards when he went to put his clothes on... 15 of my classmates were expelled and nearly brought up on criminal charges. Why cause some guy with preconceptions about homosexuality decided that he didn't like another guy having a "boner" around him and that that meant "gay". further decided to hurt said boner afflicted person because of those preconceptions... and got his friends to help him hurt said person..

grow up and think before you write...

 

[koimayeul]

Hey dude i will try to help you out giving my point of view about your questions - for the record im 31 (34 now as I edit my post) male straight.

1).What exactly defines homosexuality? Could you be homosexual if you are in a gym full of naked guys and you get a boner does that make you gay?

I would say, attraction to same gender sexually and, more importantly, emotionally. As for your gym thing its just a physical reaction.

2). Is homosexuality natural or is a "gene mutation" me personally i believe its a mutation but I'm walking into this subject with a clean slate.

It is "natural", plain and simple. But the usage of sexual organs is deviant in homosexuality, as no actual mating is possible for two penises / vaginas.

2a). If it is natural how can you have evidence showing that this is a natural occurrence

How to prove evidence of that? Just the fact it exist in nature is proof enough of it being natural, really. then again, few animal display that behavior, and these rare at 99% beastly puslions, We are not animals, as humans..

3). How can you not be attracted to a naked female? Well what i want to know about this one is if you see a naked female/male you are completely turned off with no intent to do anything with that person

I don't get the question.. It's all in your mind and only a matter of will.. Based on your own intentions to do whatever you think fit, according to your set of morals and ethics.

4). What other species show intercourse (I guess would be the word) with the same sex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Orientation is a thing but acting on your desires is another and a sin by the Bible Holy Scriptures, though!

So I would just say, it's only up to YOU and your sensibility on that one.. Don't forget GOD has the final word, though whatever you chose!!