1. yoyoyo69

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    [QUOTE="The inside out tracking is supposedly near perfect on Oculus Quest and Rift S. WMR headsets so far have been using "last gen" inside out tracking which doesn't work as well. Hopefully this has better tracking.
    It doesn't need to track everything. It just needs enough information to track your position accurately, and have cameras on the sides to track the controllers past your FOV. Drones can track their position accurately enough using just a single camera and some other sensors to hover in the air.[/QUOTE]

    I've heard others say this, but I only have the WMR currently, so wish to avoid this tech going forward.

    The issue isn't tracking controllers it can see, obviously the cameras / sensor can see the controllers. The issue is when your range of movement leaves the positions the cameras can see. A drone isn't trying to determine the position of external devices it isn't observing, I think you are confusing which tech does which.

    A drone is using coordinates and GPS to determine location, with gyrosensors for stability.
    These headsets use cameras modern tracking tech, similar to PS wands to keep track of controllers (hence the lights on the control pad, for position and orientation). Once they loose sight of the controllers, they have to guess where they are.

    Perhaps Valve have helped Microsoft with their algorithms, for positioning when out of sight, this would only work for split seconds though, outside of that problems occur. All I can think of is the new models disable the tracking when the lose sight, and pick up tracking much quick when they re-enter vision.
     
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    Try Boneworks. That is my favorite VR game.

    Alyx feels restrictive in comparison to the freedom you're given in Boneworks.

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    I have a Rift S and 99.9% of the time the controllers will not leave the range of the cameras.
     
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    I saw Boneworks on steam... & know I have the way of getting all my VR collection from Fitgirl & other site I'm going to get em all
    .. I didn't know about the he sideloading stuff until yesterday with steam VR ect... Have you played Pavlov? It's good fun to play and watch other play stoned..
     
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    Any hardware capable of 8ish tflops or better is up to the job, so both PS5 and XBSX should have a pretty easy go of it in the VR space. As far as content goes, the world can never get enough, and that applies to pancake gaming just as well as VR. I've already got 182 VR games on Steam, about half of which I'd say are plenty high quality enough, the rest of which came cheap/free in bundles or promotions.

    And video standard? Who honestly gives half a fuck? Most are DisplayPort, some are HDMI. Either way you just plug it in once and forget it, like any other monitor.
     
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    Sorry man, I don't have a rift, only the WMR. Which games do you have? I've played a few where your hands can easily be used outside of view (throwing a grenade, holstering weapon, etc, but there are more).
     
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    When I say hardware I don't care about the computers to run it on. I care about the screens it is playing on inside the headset. If the computers required end up having to be the then equivalent of a £3K machine today I will wait a while again but I doubt it will be as things already are there if there were headsets worth having.
    Content wise I am back to meaningfully improved or essential for play (and good) consistently happening. A bunch of tech demos I can knock out via rental is not that.

    Video standard. Nice to see the current efforts are not silly standards, however I still don't care to be locked into a vendor/DRM standard which they seem to be heading towards -- I know why they are trying it but it matters not to me for this one.

    I don't know when we first saw scifi predict VR headsets to be the thing of the future but they were right whatever it was, assuming the even less likely step of matrix or eyeball implant does not happen in the meantime, however much like the last few attempts at it I don't see this current crop paying off and instead can happily ignore for another few cycles.
    When it is like 3d cards in the late 90s, analogue sticks on consoles, the end of keyboard for FPS games and rise of mouse and I can't reasonably ignore it (plus the other stuff mentioned, hopefully such that I can pick from a bunch of them like I will pick a screen, printer, 3d card or whatever today) without missing out then come back to me.
     
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    Thanks, you sound like you speak from experience. I guess I'm just a little worried about buying a $1k setup and having a "screen door" or being able to make out distinct pixels that I might not have with this cheaper option.

    Wish there was some place I could go and thoroughly try this gear out before putting money into it.
     
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    Same. All I have is a best buy and they're boring. From what I've read, the Index is the most pleasant display to look at. Even Samsungs Odyssey+ HMD is really good about the screen door effect. The tracking isn't that great on it, though. Great budget device that constantly goes on sale for as low as $250.

    My only gripe with HP is that the resolution per eye being the only notable upgrade from the Quest or even the Rift S isn't worth an additional $200 IMO.
     
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    Yeah I'd definitely go with an Index if I was starting from scratch. I do own the controllers, so I know for a fact those are excellent. I got in on the early bird Kickstarter pricing for the Pimax 5K+, and a recent firmware update even took it from 90Hz to 110Hz. I guess the newer models can do up to 144Hz, but I'm certainly not complaining given the price I paid.
     
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    144hz? Daaaannnnggg. If I played more than once a month I'd have to look into that.
     
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    I really believe Quest + VD is the best option at the moment.
     
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    I honestly hope the VR shit die, like virtual glove, one day

    Actually it's ok if VR shit is around for casual fun here and there, just as long as they are not main way to play video-games. *cough* Alyx*cough*

    I tried a lot of shit, but i always find my self going back to big screen or small (that's not 5cm from my eyes) and a JoyPad/mouse&keyboard.
     
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    That's a good deal, seen many people selling sealed ones for +200 than RSP that's why it's out of stock everywhere. Yeah indeed wearing it for 2+ hours will make you dizzy. I agree VR is still in development and whatever experience we are having now is just beta.

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    Agreed, maybe in a couple of years with quarentine and all will be like Ready player one. (Hopefully by then quarentine is over)
     
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    It's actually a great deal the only reason I did take the dive I was kinda 50/50 on a ps3 VR as I just wanted to get through Skyrim Again.. But then I found Morroblivion which I'm still playing atm... It's huge & I've done skyrim on so many platforms now it's too samey but if I bought it for $500 I'd probably send it back to Amazon or whatever...
     
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    Were you able to play half life?
     
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    Half life alx yeah.. It was great looking but isn't deep enough completely feels like a really good tech demo & I absolutely love Half Life 2.. & black Mesa which is half life 1 re skined.. But it's nowhere in the league.. Shooting feels off key.. Walking dead I was so looking forward to that too but in the end its just so so but Pavlov is just great all around... Resident Evil 7 just amazing! & I'm not ashamed to o say it got jump scares all over the place... Which made it so much fun.. Long story short its one of those things where you do love it but in the back of your mind you always thinking it could have been better if... They did this or that.. Watching films though is great.. But I have a HD projector & using that doesn't give me hardcore motion sickness.. & that's what I use for most my games especially the WIIU ones or my pc.. I still love some older wii games like wii sports on the projector.. Or Mario's or Zeldas ( Nintendo fanboy here).. It's one of those things when friends pop over and notice it just have to try & that's really the best part watching them goof around while we giggle at them... & seeing what they are doing in game on the projector screen.... I think it will be good in the future but as of now too expensive games are not up to par.. & even the best ones feel just OK.. & demo'ish if you know what I mean...
     
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    I hope consoles die and portables die and computers die. There should only be books.
     
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    Yeah I know what you mean, I thought Alyx isn't supported by Quest, I bet you have a great gaming PC
     
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    Jesssus Christy get a grip boys loool... It supposed to be fun... You have a choice do play them or not.. Or read a book.. Have a fart... Get stoned and listen to pink floyd might help..

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    It's my 1st gaming pc ever I think it's good I've grown to love my rig only had it since Xmas..

    AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6 core processor Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 ti 16 gig ram

    My older brother sent it from London to USA as a surprise gift... I'm sure there is better but not paying for games or going to gamestop and getting ripped off every time is worth buying... He been banging on about gaming pc since forever I just never bothered but he has been building breaking ( overclocking) them forever... & is a complete game snob hahaha & hates consoles... Where I love my consoles always have... Always will... But not paying for games having switch & ps3 emulator and all the others is the way forward for me so many games to get for free so easily... & many random pc games I never heard of Morroblivion is my favorite atm ect ect loads of horror games not on consoles not having to pay to play online ect ect
    Lastly being able to my games library on my Ps Vita using Moonlight.. Was just amazing... I only found out about moonlight recently...
     

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    Wow looks great, lucky you to have such a brother! Are there any working PS3 emulators ? Im a big Metal gear can but never played it the 4th. Or does it require a PC like yours ?
     
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