How Japanese manga can land international travelers in jail

[hunter291]

The things were stored on his computer.

 

[DinohScene]

i play GTA does that mean i want to steal and kill people ?

Same here.

 

[titen96]

so should wikipedia be taken down for not removing the first picture here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

 

[sputnix]

the thing is thought the images where not and will not be released so really for all we know it could be some really manga

 

[Oveneise]

Wow... that's ridiculous. I don't care for loli, but its not even a real picture of a child.

EDIT: Actually, Doki Doki Majo Shinpan was pretty cool.

 

[Nathan Drake]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim. I mean, shit, half those pictures for lolicon were of obviously pre-pubescent animated girls. Animated or not, it shouldn't be okay to store such images for what is likely just a masturbatory aid if you are making a collection out of it all. The Japanese have a different culture. Regardless of what is okay there, that doesn't mean it is auto-okay elsewhere. If your basing your sense of right and wrong around what manga you like, you need one hell of a reality check, ASAP.

 

[KingVamp]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim. I mean, shit, half those pictures for lolicon were of obviously pre-pubescent animated girls. Animated or not, it shouldn't be okay to store such images for what is likely just a masturbatory aid if you are making a collection out of it all. The Japanese have a different culture. Regardless of what is okay there, that doesn't mean it is auto-okay elsewhere. If your basing your sense of right and wrong around what manga you like, you need one hell of a reality check, ASAP.

I'm sure that not a good reason to go off of.

I'm pretty anything with safe search off is going to show off crazy things.

With that reasoning, everyone should be arrested.


Do you not know rule 34? /joke

 

[Nathan Drake]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim. I mean, shit, half those pictures for lolicon were of obviously pre-pubescent animated girls. Animated or not, it shouldn't be okay to store such images for what is likely just a masturbatory aid if you are making a collection out of it all. The Japanese have a different culture. Regardless of what is okay there, that doesn't mean it is auto-okay elsewhere. If your basing your sense of right and wrong around what manga you like, you need one hell of a reality check, ASAP.

I'm sure that not a good reason to go off of.

I'm pretty anything with safe search off is going to show off crazy things.

With that reasoning, everyone should be arrested.


Do you not know rule 34? /joke

If you can't even search the term with safe search off and still find SFW images, then it is fairly obvious what the bulk of people that partake in that specific form of "art" consider its primary use.

 

[sputnix]

Here's the Canadian law about images of child pornography, got it from wikipedia but it looks legit

Prohibition covers the visual representations of sexual activity by persons (real or imaginary) under the age of 18 years and the depiction of their sexual organ/anal region for a sexual purpose, unless an artistic (see: artistic merit), educational, scientific, or medical justification can be provided and the court accepts it.

So one could say it's artistic, but I doubt any court would find that it artistic [IMO]. To put this in perspective, the Canadian border guards have been trying to put a stop to sex tourism in the past couple of years so anything that looks like child pornography [fake or real]. So in this case the border guards where right to arrest this man IF the images where graphic which I believe they where as it would take something pretty dirty to get arrested.

And this isn't against Japanese culture as he could have brought the dirtiest and most graphic manga shit he could find and still be allowed as long as the chicks are under 18. Canada is also against part of the islamic culture, sharia law and its honor killings, in which the husband can kill his wife or daughter for almost any reason. This is murder so they go to jail for murder but because of that some could say Canada is against Islamic culture, which its not. Any culture can survive in Canada as long as it isn't breaking any Canadian laws, there fore Canada isn't against Japanese culture [CNN spins everything to a negative so stay away from their fucking bullshit].

hope that made sense.

discuss

 

[Midna]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim.

>2011

>Believing you can have a crime without a victim

What the fuck is wrong with you?



It's not irrelevant. CP is considered not okay because it depicts the abuse of a real life child who will be living with the abuse every moment of his life as his most horrible moments are distributed over and over again across the internet.



What then? Is it a crime because you find it gross or offensive? If so, surely I should be arrested for having pictures of a corpse on my computer.



You are the one who needs a reality check here.

 

[kupo3000]

Note to self: Never visit Canada while ridiculous anti-loli laws are in place thanks to people who can't tell the difference between real and fiction AKA retarded moralf@gs.

Seriously I can already imagine a prison scenario that goes like this:
Random prisoner: What you in for?
Random Loli-fan prisoner: Collecting loli manga...
Randon prisoner: Whats that?
Random Loli-fan prisoner: Unrealistic Japanese p0rn comics with cute little girls.
Random prisoner: Hey everyone! We got another one, let's get'im!

 

[sputnix]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim.

>2011

>Believing you can have a crime without a victim

What the fuck is wrong with you?



It's not irrelevant. CP is considered not okay because it depicts the abuse of a real life child who will be living with the abuse every moment of his life as his most horrible moments are distributed over and over again across the internet.



What then? Is it a crime because you find it gross or offensive? If so, surely I should be arrested for having pictures of a corpse on my computer.



You are the one who needs a reality check here.

If you read my above post then you would know it is illegal to have a image of CP even if it is imaginary

Note to self: Never visit Canada while ridiculous anti-loli laws are in place thanks to people who can't tell the difference between real and fiction AKA retarded moralf@gs.

Seriously I can already imagine a prison scenario that goes like this:
Random prisoner: What you in for?
Random Loli-fan prisoner: Collecting loli manga...
Randon prisoner: Whats that?
Random Loli-fan prisoner: Unrealistic Japanese p0rn comics with cute little girls.
Random prisoner: Hey everyone! We got another one, let's get'im!

You must not know anything of Canadian prison, minimum jail time is 14 days which he is likely to get [actually less because he would have served some jail time already waiting for his trial so more like 12 days], and trust me all the guy is going to get is the minimum as that's the norm to any case in Canada.

 

[KingVamp]

If you can't even search the term with safe search off and still find SFW images, then it is fairly obvious what the bulk of people that partake in that specific form of "art" consider its primary use.

So you didn't see any SFW images when you turn it off? Even then it still poor reasoning, you chose to turn it off, no one force you to,
it is there for a reason.

Even if it true that most use it for CP (which is really no proof), should the minority suffer from not allowing to use that style of art?

Note to self: Never visit Canada while ridiculous anti-loli laws are in place thanks to people who can't tell the difference between real and fiction AKA retarded moralf@gs.

Seriously I can already imagine a prison scenario that goes like this:
Random Prisoner: What you in for?
Random Loli fan prisoner: Collecting loli manga...
Randon Prisoner: Whats that?
Random Loli fan prisoner: Unrealistic Japanese p0rn comics with cute little girls.
Random Prisoner: Hey everyone! We got another one, let's get'im!

Isn't you pic consider loli?
Child-like drawing?

If you read my above post then you would know it is illegal to have a image of CP even if it is imaginary

People keep trying to lump loli and cp togetter when it not the same thing.

Loli doesn't seem to be cut down by this law.

 

[kupo3000]

You must not know anything of Canadian prison, minimum jail time is 14 days which he is likely to get [actually less because he would have served some jail time already waiting for his trial so more like 12 days], and trust me all the guy is going to get is the minimum as that's the norm to any case in Canada.

When it comes to unrealistic drawings involving imaginary girls, no one should go to jail at ALL.
The main issue is after getting out of jail the social stigma is probably going to stick for a while.
That's after your face was plastered everywhere on the news like if you were some kind of monster.

 

[sputnix]

If you read my above post then you would know it is illegal to have a image of CP even if it is imaginary

People keep trying to lump loli and cp togetter when it not the same thing.

Loli doesn't seem to be cut down by this law.

the thing is though we don't know the images on the harddrive, I'm assuming it was some nasty stuff as he as the bull shit article stated he got arrested. I'm not saying loli is bad as you said kupo3000 image is loli and is perfectly fine, but the law in Canada [and the united states for that matter] stipulates that children under 18 depicted in sexual acts is illegal so the guads where doing their jobs they wheren't in my assumptions being ignorant people who arrested the guy on their principals and not because it was against the law.

 

[kupo3000]

I wonder for which manga he got arrested.
Maybe the latest volume of Lotte no Omocha! or Kodomo no Jikan.

 

[Nathan Drake]

After searching lolicon with safe search off on the image search, I fully support the decision made.

Whether there is a victim in this or not is irrelevent. CP is considered not okay because of the fact that it depicts a child in some inappropriate way, not just because there is a victim.

>2011

>Believing you can have a crime without a victim

What the fuck is wrong with you?



It's not irrelevant. CP is considered not okay because it depicts the abuse of a real life child who will be living with the abuse every moment of his life as his most horrible moments are distributed over and over again across the internet.



What then? Is it a crime because you find it gross or offensive? If so, surely I should be arrested for having pictures of a corpse on my computer.



You are the one who needs a reality check here.

If you break the law, you committed a crime. Not all laws broken require a victim. Thus, a crime can not be defined by having a victim.

The rest is basically just unrelated drivel minus the CP bit, which obviously one can not argue. The idea is also that people shouldn't be fapping to imagery of nude children. Animated or not, that is not considered okay. I find it really hard to believe that people are defending nude and/or erotic depictions of animated children.

 

[KingVamp]

the thing is though we don't know the images on the harddrive, I'm assuming it was some nasty stuff as he as the bull shit article stated he got arrested. I'm not saying loli is bad as you said kupo3000 image is loli and is perfectly fine, but the law in Canada [and the united states for that matter] stipulates that children under 18 depicted in sexual acts is illegal so the guads where doing their jobs they wheren't in my assumptions being ignorant people who arrested the guy on their principals and not because it was against the law.

If it really CP and not loli then I'm fine with that. People still going lump those together.

But I do feel like it doesn't really make sense to say a game/image/movie it going to harm anyone(unless it directly to someone) nor state what kinda person you are.

 

[sputnix]

What's weird about this story is that it appeared in June but nothing has really became of it, no name has been released, no major news station has picked it up [well except CNN but there months late and probably got it from a google search, it isn't even the official CNN site anyways] and most sites that posted it where comic sites who take the side of the accused. I think this story is bullshit.

 

[TankedThomas]

This reminds me of the Asian student that came to New Zealand and was arrested for having hentai DVDs. I mean, their argument was that it was things such as [censored] and bestiality, but at the end of the day, if it's not hurting anyone, is it really that big a deal? Also, a lot of people seem to be culturally insensitive because they can't understand how other cultures, especially Japanese in this case, work. Sure, Japan isn't all "dur-hur we love cartoon porn more than anything" - there are definitely those against it. But a lot of these other countries make it into such a big deal for no reason.

Then again, I'm not really surprised. It seems like 9/10 governments these days are run by idiotic apes. It's even worse having a Prime Minister, because whilst they can have their say, there are hundreds of other people jumping in and making up bullshit legislations, so it's hard to ever point the finger at one people. At least if people want to blame American problems on someone, they can just point the finger at one person every time (whether or not it is justified, but I won't get into that, because some Americans always tend to go crazy over politics when I bring it up).

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Although I've gotta say, people should know better - get a highly-secured archive that is hidden deep in your computer. Then authorities will have a harder time pulling you up about such material because they won't be able to find it, or at least, get into it. If worst comes to worst and they ask you to open the archive, you're only two buttons away from permanently deleting it. Simple accident. Well, three buttons, be exact. But you get the point. It's also recoverable later, but they don't need to know that.