How Japanese manga can land international travelers in jail

[Shuji1987]

It's not a fact because you call it one. You are believing that your opinion is the right one, when I simply give mine and say there is more to it. How can you not acknowledge that?

What you're basically saying is that something's not a fact just because I believe in it, the fact that I am sure it's true is completely irrelevant.

Now let's say that the earth is actually flat because hey, 99,999% of humanity's never seen it from space, just on photographs which could just as well be forged.

No, that's not what I'm saying. This is a case of 'l2read' if you ask me. As I said, because you are 'sure' it's true doesn't make it a fact. There is more to it than just arousal. If you don't see that you're just being ignorant and stubborn.

Trying to be smart doesn't make you smart you know.

edit: Also lolling at the fact you post a picture that actually is relevant to you.

 

[Foxi4]

Like I said, I see why someone would like to read a loli manga and all I'm arguing about is whether it shows children in sexually-oriented situations or not, and it does. If someone needs to l2read, it's probably you mate.

 

[Skelletonike]

Just because it can include a drawing from a certain viewpoint doesn't mean a thing. To name a few reasons. one could be in possesion of said manga to support their favorite artist, or that they like the drawing style or simply to study it to help them draw. I'm not saying there aren't people who get aroused by it, but saying that is the purpose of it is a bit farfetched.

Putting labels on people might be an easy solution, but it's really not the way.

People don't accidentally draw upskirt shots.

And if your favorite artist spends his time making loli manga, then does that not say something about you (not you personally, but "you" as in "anyone")?

And please tell me what purpose including loli material and drawings in your manga could have other than fanservice? Does it further the plot? Does it reveal a key aspect about the character? Does it help expand the atmosphere? I really doubt it.

Well, in some mangas and animes it actually does make a difference, the loli characters that is. Like Zero no Tsukaima and Toradora where the female lead looks like a loli (although they're not lolis just short and flat xP) since their looks, actually has a heavy influence on their attittudes and behaviour.

There's a whole CANYON between looking like a loli and up-skirt shots, or even plain groping.

Also:

Lol, cool pic. xP
And I know, those are the fanservice most fans like (although in some its exagerated), nowadays it's rare the anime without them. >.

 

[geminisama]

It's a little appaling that people are still coming up with any excuse to defend this practice and form of, "art." It kinda makes me ashamed to be associated with this site, if there is such an abundance of pedophile apologists.

 

[Shuji1987]

Like I said, I see why someone would like to read a loli manga and all I'm arguing about is whether it shows children in sexually-oriented situations or not, and it does. If someone needs to l2read, it's probably you mate.

Eh, no. If you need a refresh, scroll to the top page It was about being aroused.

Funny how you don't even know what you talk about yourself.


Also for your convenience, here is the quote

Wow... Like Australias ban on loli anime/manga. Western civilizations just don't get it. Loli is not child porn.

Sure, because when you draw something, it immediatelly becomes 99% less offensive.

No. You should not be sexually arroused by pictures of children, drawn or not. Not saying that it's a criminal offense at all, no - the man should not be arrested. Just giving you my opinion on what you just said.

 

[Foxi4]

Lol, cool pic. xP
And I know, those are the fanservice most fans like (although in some its exagerated), nowadays it's rare the anime without them. >.<

I know, right? I mean, it was acceptable in Love Hina (for the sake of the argument let's call Kaolla and Shinobu "protololi's") and Kodomo no Jikan where that was the entire point that was driving the script further, but nowadays you just get random instances of it and go "WTF just happened?".

Like I said, I see why someone would like to read a loli manga and all I'm arguing about is whether it shows children in sexually-oriented situations or not, and it does. If someone needs to l2read, it's probably you mate.

Eh, no. If you need a refresh, scroll to the top page It was about being aroused.

Funny how you don't even know what you talk about yourself.


Also for your convenience, here is the quote

Wow... Like Australias ban on loli anime/manga. Western civilizations just don't get it. Loli is not child porn.

Sure, because when you draw something, it immediatelly becomes 99% less offensive.

No. You should not be sexually arroused by pictures of children, drawn or not. Not saying that it's a criminal offense at all, no - the man should not be arrested. Just giving you my opinion on what you just said.

You can't just pick and choose whatever you want from a quote, either you read the entirety and understand or you don't. The point of depicting a sexual situation IS to be arroused, you should accept that fact for granted rather than nitpick.

 

[Shuji1987]

It's a little appaling that people are still coming up with any excuse to defend this practice and form of, "art." It kinda makes me ashamed to be associated with this site, if there is such an abundance of pedophile apologists.

lol, you lost the right to discus this subject 4 pages ago.

And just because I defend this, doesn't make me a pedophile. I don't even read it, I'm just looking at the moral side of this.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

lol, you lost the right to discus this subject 4 pages ago.

And just because I defend this, doesn't make me a pedophile. I don't even read it, I'm just looking at the moral side of this.

If you're defending the right for people to look at images of underage girls depicted in sexual situations (emphasis on sexual situations), then that makes you some kind of special. Maybe not a pedophile, but certainly no one I would give the time of day to.

EDIT: For the record, I don't care if you read manga about underage girls just being stupid underage girls. I think it's probably the dumbest fucking thing on the planet but hey, different strokes, different folks. I do care if you read manga about underage girls in which the author took the time and effort to craft it so that there's sexual tones and situations in there. In which case I get pretty riled up and thoroughly disgusted.

 

[Foxi4]

There is a difference between "Loli because I'm cute" like Honey in Ouran and "Loli because c'mon, you know you can do me anyways" like in some mangas, and I'm sure the authorities had enough material to be concerned. Not to lock up, but to be concerned.

 

[Shuji1987]

lol, you lost the right to discus this subject 4 pages ago.

And just because I defend this, doesn't make me a pedophile. I don't even read it, I'm just looking at the moral side of this.

If you're defending the right for people to look at images of underage girls depicted in sexual situations (emphasis on sexual situations), then that makes you some kind of special. Maybe not a pedophile, but certainly no one I would give the time of day to.

No, please read through this thread.

My point is, people should not be locked up for fucking CARTOONS that may resemble child porn which in fact it isn't. It's completely fictional, doesn't represent an actual human in any way and doesn't hurt anyone in any way.

I want to put the focus on the bigger things, that actually hurt people and do have victims, like actual child porn which has to be punished harder. I'm absolutely disgusted by people who molest/assault younger kids because of their sexual needs.

This thread has derailed too much imo.

 

[Foxi4]

lol, you lost the right to discus this subject 4 pages ago.

And just because I defend this, doesn't make me a pedophile. I don't even read it, I'm just looking at the moral side of this.

If you're defending the right for people to look at images of underage girls depicted in sexual situations (emphasis on sexual situations), then that makes you some kind of special. Maybe not a pedophile, but certainly no one I would give the time of day to.

No, please read through this thread.

My point is, people should not be locked up for fucking CARTOONS that may resemble child porn which in fact it isn't. It's completely fictional, doesn't represent an actual human in any way and doesn't hurt anyone in any way.

I want to put the focus on the bigger things, that actually hurt people and do have victims, like actual child porn which has to be punished harder. I'm absolutely disgusted by people who molest/assault younger kids because of their sexual needs.

This thread has derailed too much imo.

For once I agree with you - you're making a good point.

 

[geminisama]

It's a little appaling that people are still coming up with any excuse to defend this practice and form of, "art." It kinda makes me ashamed to be associated with this site, if there is such an abundance of pedophile apologists.

lol, you lost the right to discus this subject 4 pages ago.

And just because I defend this, doesn't make me a pedophile. I don't even read it, I'm just looking at the moral side of this.

Yeah, okay. It's amusing you mention the morality of this discussion, and every chance you get, you're defending pedophiles rights to be disgusting people, ignoring that it's almost universal that pedophilia is HIGHLY immoral.

 

[Joe88]

I feel like this thread is going to be locked soon...

 

[mameks]

I feel like this thread is going to be locked soon...

Which is a shame, there's some interesting stuff here.

 

[Shuji1987]

Yeah, okay. It's amusing you mention the morality of this discussion, and every chance you get, you're defending pedophiles rights to be disgusting people, ignoring that it's almost universal that pedophilia is HIGHLY immoral.

You are completely missing my point, which can be found a few posts up. Quote here:

No, please read through this thread.

My point is, people should not be locked up for fucking CARTOONS that may resemble child porn which in fact it isn't. It's completely fictional, doesn't represent an actual human in any way and doesn't hurt anyone in any way.

I want to put the focus on the bigger things, that actually hurt people and do have victims, like actual child porn which has to be punished harder. I'm absolutely disgusted by people who molest/assault younger kids because of their sexual needs.

This thread has derailed too much imo.

 

[Skelletonike]

Well, even in prison pedo's are seen badly. xP
I guess even murderers and psychopaths have decency regarding that?

There's just one thing I don't understand about this... Why the hell did they check his computer in the first place? Do they check everyone's computers when they go to Canda or something? *Is confused*

 

[mameks]

Well, even in prison pedo's are seen badly. xP
I guess even murderers and psychopaths have decency regarding that?

There's just one thing I don't understand about this... Why the hell did they check his computer in the first place? Do they check everyone's computers when they go to Canda or something? *Is confused*

Actually, I remember that someone on here moved from the Philippines to Canada and they were warned by some of the resident Canadians on here to wipe any illegal data from their laptop and other hardware

 

[geminisama]

Yeah, okay. It's amusing you mention the morality of this discussion, and every chance you get, you're defending pedophiles rights to be disgusting people, ignoring that it's almost universal that pedophilia is HIGHLY immoral.

You are completely missing my point, which can be found a few posts up. Quote here:

No, please read through this thread.

My point is, people should not be locked up for fucking CARTOONS that may resemble child porn which in fact it isn't. It's completely fictional, doesn't represent an actual human in any way and doesn't hurt anyone in any way.

I want to put the focus on the bigger things, that actually hurt people and do have victims, like actual child porn which has to be punished harder. I'm absolutely disgusted by people who molest/assault younger kids because of their sexual needs.

This thread has derailed too much imo.

If someone is sexually aroused by depictions of little kids, be it real photos, ink drawings, or hell, 3D models, they are pedophiles plain and simple. If not locked up, they should at the very minimum have this disorder treated.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

There might be "interesting stuff" in the thread, but I get the distinct impression that there won't be too much more said that hasn't been said already.

Thread closed.